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'There are no words for the heartbreak': Mother forced to give birth at 22 weeks and watch baby die
DailyMail ^ | 6 April 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 04/06/2012 11:09:22 AM PDT by Daffynition

Nebraska’s new abortion law forced one woman to give birth to her terminally ill, premature baby who she then helplessly held dying in her arms.

Danielle Deaver gave birth to one pound, ten ounce Elizabeth last December and could do nothing but hold and comfort the baby with her husband, Robb, as the newborn struggled to breath and died fifteen agonizing minutes later.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion
Seems this happened in 2011; didn't see it posted in FR archives.
1 posted on 04/06/2012 11:09:28 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

‘While we waited, we tried to pray, but we didn’t know what to pray for. So we spent our days and nights telling our daughter how much we loved her, how sorry we were, and how we wished we could do something different.”

So they were praying to have had the ability to abort the baby instead of letting it be born naturally. I find it hard to feel sympathy here.


2 posted on 04/06/2012 11:15:18 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Daffynition
An indivdual, tragic case.

Show me 10 of those. Show me 100 of those. Show me 1000.

You cannot justify 50 million dead babies on the basis that a woman in Nebraska went through a difficult experience.

Abortion is wrong. It cannot be justified.

3 posted on 04/06/2012 11:15:46 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: Daffynition

This was a premature delivery. The law is designed to stop late term abortions for non-medical reasons. The law is good.


4 posted on 04/06/2012 11:16:35 AM PDT by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Daffynition

I don’t understand why a foetis cannot be anesthetized before a necessary abortion.


5 posted on 04/06/2012 11:17:18 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Daffynition

The death of a baby is tragic, whether it happens after the baby is born or before. It’s easy to imagine that you could have spared yourself they agony of experiencing it by having an abortion, but then you wouldn’t have had the opportunity to hold the baby tell her how much you loved her. When thing get really tough, it’s best to count your blessings, no matter how difficult it may seem to find them.


6 posted on 04/06/2012 11:21:19 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: gleeaikin
They don't anesthetize the baby during abortions because to do so would be to acknowledge that the baby does feel pain. They want people to believe that it is simply a lump of flesh that can be casually disposed of.
7 posted on 04/06/2012 11:23:08 AM PDT by WMarshal (Bitter Clinger)
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To: WILLIALAL

-—So they were praying to have had the ability to abort the baby instead of letting it be born naturally. I find it hard to feel sympathy here.-—

Liberal “logic.”


8 posted on 04/06/2012 11:26:35 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: WILLIALAL

I don’t understand why they weren’t able to put the child in an incubator.

What doesn’t get said is that abortion increases the likelihood that women will give birth prematurely because one of the complications is incompetent cervix. And premature births are becoming more and more prevalent. As much as this family hates what happened to them, the truth of the matter is that this law will help prevent other women from having to deal with children born too soon to survive.

Having my daughter stillborn at 42 weeks gives me an understanding of what the family went through. Right now they’re probably working through the blame/guilt phase but later on they will cherish the photos they have of their child and both they and any future children they might have will be comforted to know they loved that little one to the very end.


9 posted on 04/06/2012 11:27:24 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ClearCase_guy

No amount of finger-pointing or rationalization will ever bring back the life that was stolen from this innocent baby.

What about the rare case of a baby that survives an abortion?

**STORY OF SURVIVAL: BABY WHO WEIGHED JUST ONE POUND

Ruth Nash, 34, was pregnant with twins when her waters broke 18 weeks early.

She was told her babies had a zero chance of survival and soon after lost her daughter Matilda.

However, the mother from the Isle of Wight managed to delay giving birth to her son Stanley for three weeks by lying with her feet elevated in a hospital bed.

Her precious son was born at just over 24weeks weighing a tiny 1lb - less than a bag of sugar.

Surgeons performed several operations on Stanley including fixing a hole in his heart.

Six months later, Stanley is healthy and showing no signs of his traumatic birth. **


10 posted on 04/06/2012 11:27:24 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WMarshal

Lungs develop last in a baby. An early birth, without suitable medical care, means death.


11 posted on 04/06/2012 11:27:58 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Daffynition

So they are sad a baby died or that they had to see it die?


12 posted on 04/06/2012 11:28:20 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Daffynition

So they are sad a baby died or that they had to see it die?


13 posted on 04/06/2012 11:28:45 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Daffynition

It’s good that they were not allowed deliberately to kill their child. I hope that they realize this someday - that *not killing* is best.


14 posted on 04/06/2012 11:33:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Love means to give absolutely everything." ~ Dominik Cdl. Duka)
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To: Daffynition

Our church’s prayer chain was praying for a child where the mother was extremely toxemic and every day was literally the difference between life and death for the baby. I’m not saying it happens every time, but this case had a positive outcome; they were able to hold off the birth until the child could survive in an incubator and this January the parents took the baby home.

One reason that we always made sure we had a pro-life OB/GYN was so that we never had to worry that the doctor would give up on life when there was still room for hope. We would not have given birth in a hospital other than a Catholic hospital. And with our first being stillborn at 42 weeks for unknown reasons, we had to use hospitals with a NICU - a lot of which are Catholic hospitals because they do value human life.

I wonder where this baby was born.


15 posted on 04/06/2012 11:35:01 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Daffynition

So... we should have slaughtered it like an animal instead? That would have been more humane than letting the child breathe and have a chance?

Who really thinks like that?


16 posted on 04/06/2012 11:37:18 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Daffynition

If they’d had the abortion procedure it could have been either torn limb from limb or burned alive in saline ... and the poor things wouldn’t have had to undergo the agonizing experience of watching it suffer.


17 posted on 04/06/2012 11:39:19 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: driftdiver

I think they are looking to *blame* someone, to relieve their own guilty feelings. Seems as if they would have aborted the baby,no matter what.


18 posted on 04/06/2012 11:40:24 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: butterdezillion

If they had decided to abort the baby as the article says, that tells us this was not at a Catholic hospital.

I doubt that the law prevents anybody from administering pain meds to children in the womb. I wonder if the docs at this hospital were more geared toward the agenda of protesting this law than about serving this family.


19 posted on 04/06/2012 11:41:59 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: GeronL

>>Who really thinks like that?<<

Selfish people. There are more than a few in this new generation.


20 posted on 04/06/2012 11:45:46 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
Lungs develop last in a baby. An early birth, without suitable medical care, means death.

We lost a 30 week baby at 3 days of age due to this. He weighed 3-11 at birth but his lungs were not developed enough. NICU's were new and the technology wasn't what it is today. He was transferred to one immediately after birth and I never saw him until we buried him.

I don't understand why plans weren't made to treat this baby immediately since the docs were aware of what was expected. It doesn't sound as if the medical personnel tried or the mother would not have been holding the baby.

I would think that they feel abandoned (and blaming it on the law) in that they had an extra ten days of anticipating the death of their baby with no hope of survival.

21 posted on 04/06/2012 11:46:31 AM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Daffynition

“doctors told the couple that their baby had almost no chance of surviving”

My nephews were born at 23 weeks...glad they didn’t have this doctor.


22 posted on 04/06/2012 11:48:39 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I would say this Nebraska law worked the way it was intended. Let those who would side with these parents work to get the law repealed...I believe that’s how it still works.


23 posted on 04/06/2012 11:52:31 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

This couple was in a tough situation. Sounds like the doctors convinced them that there was no hope and that they could save the child some pain by giving it an injection that would allow it to die in its sleep rather than struggle for breath after being born.

When something like this happens the parents are the people least capable of making a reasonable decision, because the grief and shock gets in the way. That’s why it’s so critical to have doctors who will be strong. Unfortunately, doctors are often quick to say there’s no hope rather than fight for life - especially if they have an agenda or guilt regarding their own involvement in abortion.

I’m willing to give these parents some slack because of what they’re going through, but I’d sure like to know what the doctors were thinking. Their judgment was not clouded by grief and hormones, but could be clouded by guilt or an agenda. That’s the risk of being attended by “pro-choice” doctors.


24 posted on 04/06/2012 11:53:20 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Abby4116

I’m sorry for your loss. Our first was stillborn at 42 weeks. I don’t think a day has gone by when I have not thought of her. Someday I will see her and hold her.

My understanding is that if the doctors have advance warning of a seriously premature birth there are medications they can give to enhance/speed up lung development.

There’s not a lot of information in this article, but I question the doctors’ commitment to try to preserve the life of this child.

Maybe somebody who knows more can give us more perspective.


25 posted on 04/06/2012 11:58:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Daffynition

My grandboys were born way premature, about the size of a woman’s fist. Just looking at them I believed they had no chance. They were in incubators for weeks.

They’re 21 now. Nice kids.


26 posted on 04/06/2012 11:58:42 AM PDT by marron
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To: WMarshal; gleeaikin

There are NO necessary abortions. By definition during an abortion the baby is killed before he is extracted. They either scramble their little brains or chop them to bits.

There is simply no situation in which the health of the mother is in such a precarious position that you need to abort, and yet you have time to waste killing the baby.

There are only necessary unplanned deliveries.


27 posted on 04/06/2012 12:02:57 PM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

In the pro-abortion comments on the bottom, it seems some have swallowed the koolaid about abortion being painless.

There are multiple comments about “letting the child die painlessly in the womb” - obviously they have no idea what a violent painful death an abortion is.


28 posted on 04/06/2012 12:03:46 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Daffynition

So wait...they wanted to abort the baby so it wouldn’t experience pain? What the heck do these people think the baby would have felt if they’d aborted it?

It sounds to me less like they cared about whether the baby was in pain and more like they are upset they had to watch their baby die? Are they crazy? They had fifteen minutes with their child...that’s more than some people ever get. They would rather murder a child than hold their own baby for even a brief moment?

These people are rotten and selfish.


29 posted on 04/06/2012 12:07:29 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: I still care

They may be thinking the child would be aborted by lethal injection (which many states don’t allow because it is considered too inhumane to be used to execute capital criminals) followed by induced childbirth of the dead child - which could have been done anyway, to prevent a 10-day wait if there was no intention of trying to save the child (which was apparently the case, since they didn’t put the baby in an incubator after birth).

The story leaves a lot of questions about the judgment and actions of the doctors, IMHO.


30 posted on 04/06/2012 12:10:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
I'm sorry for your loss also. God's way isn't always our way.

I think they can do something to keep the lungs from "sticking together" for lack of a better description. Not sure that there is much to speed development.

Perhaps the doctors had their own agenda here - it doesn't sound like these parents wanted an "abortion of convenience". I think the parents are being used.

31 posted on 04/06/2012 12:20:58 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: gleeaikin
‘I don’t understand why a foetis cannot be anesthetized before a necessary abortion.’

They claim in utero Children can feel no pain.

The fact is that the “necessary Abortions” are statistically insignificant to the point that they almost do not exist. Only in the case of Ectopic Pregnancies, A true danger to the mothers life, The procedure of tube removal to relieve the condition actually causes an abortion as a necessary act to eliminate the Fallopian obstruction. Beyond that, there are almost NO necessary abortions.

The increase of medical testing a=has brought to hte forefront the naked selfishness of a vast amount of the human population. They are little more than animals or worse. We are the only species that a mother deliberately kills her in utero children and almost 100% of the time it is strictly convenience.

32 posted on 04/06/2012 12:48:48 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Daffynition

So her water broke and the doctors gave up? I’ve hear of many cases where delivery was delyed for weeks, even months to give the baby a chance. http://www.babycenter.com/204_polish-woman-saves-premature-babies-with-75-days-in-labor_10364797.bc


33 posted on 04/06/2012 1:01:55 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Daffynition
This entire article is a farce. These people couldn't DRIVE to one of the adjoining states if this was that much of a burden? The state of Nebraska can be WALKED in the a matter of five days in any direction. Regardless of location, they could have DRIVEN to any adjoining state in less than two hours.

Regardless, this is all about HER wants and desires. As soon as a problem arose and the child may have been less than perfect, she wanted OUT! They are the typical Westerner, Fat, stupid, spoiled and selfish.

As far as all the pain, my wife and I have buried a child who had special needs. Not once was I unhappy about any of the time we where afforded to spend with him.

34 posted on 04/06/2012 1:10:20 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Daffynition

I’d rather have the chance to hold my baby for a couple of hours than to have it ripped apart before even being born.


35 posted on 04/06/2012 1:10:35 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“They are the typical Westerner, Fat, stupid, spoiled and selfish.

==

Now that’s kind of mean,and I live in the Northeast.


36 posted on 04/06/2012 1:18:11 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Abby4116
Not sure that there is much to speed development.

Steroids are routinely administered to preemies and micropreemies to hyperstimulate lung growth. Very effective treatment.

37 posted on 04/06/2012 1:38:57 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: Mears
Truth is truth. I have decided that telling the truth is more important than sparing feelings. I have no sympathy for their lack of choosing to deliberately kill their unborn child. The entire story is contrived at best. Are they house bound? Could they not take the 10 days to crawl to Des Moines, IA or another adjoining State. Did their doctor legitimately NOT put her on bed rest and give her drugs to help with the child's lung development/ She went home for ten days, and walked around d the house cursing the state for the lack of an abortion? We are to believe this Bull$hit? Our twin sons where born at an early age less than thirty one weeks. My wife was on medication to help with their lung development, they never even needed O2 in the NICU at less than 3 1/2 #'s each.They where so small my size 10 wedding ring went all the way up to their shoulders. They turn one year old May 6 and are close to twenty pounds a piece. Photobucket My nephew was born at twenty two weeks, smaller than a full pound and is on his way to High School in August. THAT WAS A DECADE AGO! These people are useful idiots at best and charlatans most likely!
38 posted on 04/06/2012 1:39:54 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town
They look good now though. This is in Nov. 2011 Photobucket
39 posted on 04/06/2012 1:48:04 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: grellis

Thank you.


40 posted on 04/06/2012 1:51:28 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Jim from C-Town

The entire point of my post was that you insulted ALL Westerners because of the actions of this one couple. That’s painting with a very broad brush IMHO.

Your twins sound wonderful and good luck to your nephew.

Peace!


41 posted on 04/06/2012 1:59:03 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: butterdezillion
... My understanding is that if the doctors have advance warning of a seriously premature birth there are medications they can give to enhance/speed up lung development. ...

You are correct. I worked with someone whose wife developed severe appendicitis at a point where it was too soon for a cesarean because of poor lung development. She was hooked up to an IV with antibiotics (in case the appendix burst) and given medication to accelerate lung development. After only a few days they were able to perform the cesarean and appendectomy. The baby spent a few days in an incubator and was fine thereafter. The appendix burst as they were preparing to remove it. One week later baby and mother were thriving.
42 posted on 04/06/2012 2:12:56 PM PDT by khelus
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To: al_c

You might even want your other children to interact with the baby, like that weirdo extremist Santorum.


43 posted on 04/06/2012 2:24:58 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Jim from C-Town

That’s a darling picture. I’ll have to try that with Kathleen when she can sit up.


44 posted on 04/06/2012 2:43:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Love means to give absolutely everything." ~ Dominik Cdl. Duka)
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To: Daffynition

They loved her enough to want to kill her.


45 posted on 04/06/2012 3:38:04 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Daffynition

My Mom carried my brother for another 5 weeks after her water broke.

Doc said he would die...he didn’t.


46 posted on 04/06/2012 3:39:53 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: Daffynition

I assume that Nebraska would have had her (or her doctor) put in jail if she had gone to another state, to exercise her RIGHT.


47 posted on 04/06/2012 5:30:28 PM PDT by BobL
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To: SoothingDave

True that, Dave!

How ya been?!

Have a very blessed Easter, my friend.


48 posted on 04/06/2012 8:45:52 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: al_c

The same to you.


49 posted on 04/07/2012 3:33:27 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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