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Conservatives ally for a reset of election expectations (RINOs: we shouldn't seek conservatives)
The Washington Times ^ | 4/4/2012 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 04/06/2012 11:21:33 AM PDT by darrellmaurina

Some influential conservative thinkers have concluded that Mitt Romney’s struggle to ignite voter enthusiasm reflects a more serious problem for Republicans in setting unrealistic expectations for their presidential nominee. Calling their alliance Project Liberty, the newly formed group says the former Massachusetts governor cannot beat President Obama unless tea party members and the GOP’s activists — including conservatives on the Republican National Committee — adjust their mindset about insisting on a fully formed, ideologically reliable candidate as their standard-bearer.... Project Liberty backers have concluded that Mr. Romney will not win the White House on the basis of something he is not — a 21st century American philosopher-king. Nor will he win the presidency unless the right’s various interest groups, from tea party activists to RNC conservatives, unite. The right’s unrealistic search for the knight in shining armor helps explain the rise and fall of a string of challengers to Mr. Romney in the nomination merry-go-round this year. Project Liberty’s founders also say that longing explains why tea partyers split their vote about evenly between Mr. Romney and Rick Santorum in the Illinois primary, late in the primary season.

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KEYWORDS: gingrich; romney; santorum; votemittgetobama
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1 posted on 04/06/2012 11:21:47 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

Not voting for Romney. All he will do is destroy what little reputation remains of the Republican Party as being conservative.


2 posted on 04/06/2012 11:29:06 AM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
The Republican party is just a vehicle for sticking candidates up for election.

The party also has a number of factions. It's up to the factions to focus on the ideological purity and the preparedness of their candidates.

We usually get screwed up when the party apparatchiks, who should be non-judgmental when it comes to internal factions, decide they know better who to run. That's when you get candidates who can't beat Democrats.

Time for the professionals to take a back seat to the factions and let this battle play out on the Convention floor, or their boy, Romney, can back out now.

3 posted on 04/06/2012 11:33:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: darrellmaurina

We tried reforming.

Now it’s time to try replacing.


4 posted on 04/06/2012 11:33:11 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: darrellmaurina

When the RINO wins over a RINO, conservatives are expected to unite behind him. When a conservative wins, the RINOs will unite to destroy him or her (eg, Murkowski vs Miller in Alaska; Christine O’Donnell in Delaware)


5 posted on 04/06/2012 11:33:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: dila813

If you want a liberal like romney go join the Dems. Get out of the repubs as all you do is turn people away with your liberal talk. Screw you Rino’s.


6 posted on 04/06/2012 11:34:31 AM PDT by jimpick
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To: darrellmaurina

From the article:

“Hoover Institution scholar Jeremy Carl, another Project Liberty founder, said the problem is that GOP activists are, more than ever, searching for the impossible: a single political savior capable of leading America back to its founding principles of limited government and unlimited opportunity.”

No Messrs. Hallow and Carl, you are wrong. I’m merely searching for a consistent conservative to be my Candidate. That is certainly not a Sissyphean task. I will not compromise my consistent principles for a candidate that the establishment has become comfortable regarding his morally casual and flexible attitude towards his principles.

Compromise yours. I will not compromise mine.


7 posted on 04/06/2012 11:34:55 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: dila813

Voting for Obama, I see.


8 posted on 04/06/2012 11:35:10 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: darrellmaurina; napscoordinator; cripplecreek; Antoninus; Lazlo in PA; AmericanInTokyo; writer33; ..
This article needs to get serious attention from both Gingrich and Santorum supporters.

It's the second article about Romney trying to reduce expectations of conservatives that we'll get a conservative candidate. It now appears clear that Romney — or at least some people in his campaign — are trying to float trial balloons about “moving to the center” in the fall election.

It looks like this earlier “Liberated from the Tea Party” article wasn't just a one-time incident.

That earlier article was here: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2867161/posts

This trial balloon needs to get shot down — **NOW.**

Some of us on Free Republic are willing to put up with Romney as the nominee because they think he'll govern as a conservative. These articles are pointing to the opposite, namely, that he seems to be exploring the possibility of following Bob Dole's model of campaigning in the primary one way and then torpedoing his base in the general election.

Time is running very short to stop Romney. It may already be too late. But these articles indicate that at least some people in the Romney campaign are planning to move toward Obama to try to win the election as a moderate, and if that happens, we've got a tremendously worse problem on our hands than we have now.

9 posted on 04/06/2012 11:37:56 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
Project Liberty backers have concluded that Mr. Romney will not win the White House on the basis of something he is not — a 21st century American philosopher-king. Nor will he win the presidency unless the right’s various interest groups, from tea party activists to RNC conservatives, unite.

The GOP doesn't want tea party activists or RNC conservatives. That is abundantly clear. I would rather field a Tea Party candidate for president than unite with the Romney led Republican party. I would rather see Obama win than "unite" with the moderate scum of the GOP. EF THEM!

10 posted on 04/06/2012 11:38:05 AM PDT by upsdriver (Newt..... stop Romney, get to a brokered convention and start a DRAFT PALIN movement!)
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To: Redleg Duke

Voting for Obama, I see.

Please don’t explain the difference, because I don’t see it!


11 posted on 04/06/2012 11:38:56 AM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: jimpick

RINO’s should form their own party, but the intent is to destroy any real opposition to leftism.


12 posted on 04/06/2012 11:39:19 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dila813

The GOP HATES conservatives, and works with the Dems AGAINST us, in elections and on legislation....why vote for those who hate us, marginalize us in the press, lie about us in the press...why??????


13 posted on 04/06/2012 11:40:13 AM PDT by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: Redleg Duke

NIce try. A vote for Romney is also a vote for the SAME liberalism that is Obama.

ither way, you get what we have had for the last 3 1/2 years. Just this time, it would have an R instead of a D, but idealogically, it is the SAME Animal


14 posted on 04/06/2012 11:40:20 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: dila813
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15 posted on 04/06/2012 11:41:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: darrellmaurina
The right’s unrealistic search for the knight in shining armor helps explain the rise and fall of a string of challengers to Mr. Romney in the nomination merry-go-round this year.

Really? I thought it was Romney's scorched-earth tactics and lavishly funded lies and bought-and-paid-for endorsements . . .

16 posted on 04/06/2012 11:44:43 AM PDT by maryz
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To: darrellmaurina
RNC = Republicans, NOT Conservatives.
As a general statement, most republican office holders, are simply democrat lite. IMHO, very few R's are really conservative.

I have voted against democrats, in every election since 1971, by voting for republicans. The only two times I actually voted FOR, meaning supported them with more than a simple vote, R. Reagan and S. Palin.

The corrupt LBJ and George Parr, the duke of Duvall county, Texas established my voting preference early in life.

17 posted on 04/06/2012 11:45:27 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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18 posted on 04/06/2012 11:48:38 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: darrellmaurina

F Yue


19 posted on 04/06/2012 11:50:36 AM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: darrellmaurina

Read my tagline. Paraphrased from Bishop Willard himself.


20 posted on 04/06/2012 11:51:37 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: Redleg Duke
Voting for Obama, I see.

Fond of grabbing your ankles, I see.

21 posted on 04/06/2012 11:53:21 AM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: darrellmaurina
"Ultimately, our goal, when the GOP finally has the White House and both houses of Congress again, is to return to founding principles," Mr. Yue said.

What happens if you shedded so many principles that by the time you get there you've lost your way?

22 posted on 04/06/2012 11:57:38 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: j_tull
I'll take that as a "Yes, I am gonna send the GOP a strong message and screw my children and grandchildren at the same time 'cause I didn't get my way...so there....spit!"
23 posted on 04/06/2012 11:57:38 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: RoadGumby

See my response to j_tull, child.


24 posted on 04/06/2012 11:58:48 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: Redleg Duke
Voting for Obama, I see.

You've got it backwards. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

25 posted on 04/06/2012 11:59:15 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: darrellmaurina
If Mitt wins the nomination and wants conservatives to support him he should put in writing that he will only serve one term.

Then he will beat Obama.

26 posted on 04/06/2012 11:59:19 AM PDT by Happy Rain
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To: yellowhorse

See my response to j_tull, child.


27 posted on 04/06/2012 11:59:19 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: j_tull

New tagline ...


28 posted on 04/06/2012 12:04:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The Gee-Oh-Pee. Achieving historic new levels of Liberal since 2008.)
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To: darrellmaurina
“Calling their alliance Project Liberty, the newly formed group says the former Massachusetts governor cannot beat President Obama unless tea party members and the GOP’s activists — including conservatives on the Republican National Committee — adjust their mindset about insisting on a fully formed, ideologically reliable candidate as their standard-bearer.... Project Liberty backers have concluded that Mr. Romney will not win the White House on the basis of something he is not — a 21st century American”

Based on total bullsh!t! WE ARE NOT INSISTING FOR A PURE AND PERFECT CONSERVATIVE... we are more than willing to accept extremely flawed candidates such as Santorum and Gingrich. romney is a socialist... not some progressive North East Liberal... he is a full court press progressive... fag loving... gun grabbing, pro baby killing liar and cultist... what a guy. Screw anyone trying to use that argument against those of us that find voting for romney so egregious that we absolutely will never vote for that evil slimeball deceiver.

LLS

29 posted on 04/06/2012 12:08:45 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: COBOL2Java

Mitt Romney says stupid crap that would make Joe Biden proud and the media conveniently doesn’t find them worthy of reporting......yet.


30 posted on 04/06/2012 12:10:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Redleg Duke
I believe you are correct. Romney's not a Marxist, he doesn't hate America, and he will not bow before dictators. Those may be the only good things I can say about him. But compared with the prospect of four more years of Obama - which will be the death of America, for real - it may have to do. A piss cocktail is a whole lot better than cyanide.
31 posted on 04/06/2012 12:10:47 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

“Based on total bullsh!t! WE ARE NOT INSISTING FOR A PURE AND PERFECT CONSERVATIVE... we are more than willing to accept extremely flawed candidates...”

But Bishop Willard is a leftist, and that is what they do. Twist the language and frame the issue. ‘Pro-choice’, ‘gay’, ‘moderate’, etc. Willard is a leftist in his thoughts, deeds, record and modus operandi.


32 posted on 04/06/2012 12:11:50 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
we are more than willing to accept extremely flawed candidates such as Santorum and Gingrich.

The evidence that Santorum and Gingrich were the first choice of no one can be found in the fact that neither rocketed to the top upon announcing that they were running. That said, both men stand head and shoulders above Mitt Romney.
33 posted on 04/06/2012 12:13:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Your old one was better, IMO:

‘You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can’t be both. Pick one.’

Romney Republican is an ID that needs to be hung around their necks. Hardly anyone even remembers Rockefeller anymore anyway. Time to update the the pastel patriot designation.


34 posted on 04/06/2012 12:16:08 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: Redleg Duke

You seem to be fixated on “Spoiled tantrum, not getting my way, whaaaa!!!”

Pull your head out and get a nice clean breath of air. They are the same, no difference and no amount of ridicule on YOUR part changes that. Romney will not stop, will not turn back ANYTHING Obama has done. There is no choice.

But, I suppose you’ll feel better if Romeny wins, as we circle the drain anyway, at least the leader in the White HOuse will be an R.

And do not ‘child’ me.


35 posted on 04/06/2012 12:17:28 PM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Psalm 144

What the GOP is putting forth with Mitt is already in place in Britain where David Cameron is hated as much as the creepy Brown or Blair and is well on the way of finishing off any Conservatism left in the Tory Party.


36 posted on 04/06/2012 12:20:21 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: darrellmaurina

What do you want: Socialist A or Socialist B?

What a choice. :(


37 posted on 04/06/2012 12:21:47 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Psalm 144
You are 100% correct and I will do what our founders would have done... I will not vote for a socialist, baby killing liar that is just as progressive as the cancer that infects the White House today. You want to know the difference between liberals and Conservatives in America today? Liberals believe every progressive lie that hits their ears... Conservatives can tell a lie by the third syllable. It matters not what letter is beside the name of the liar. republicans would vote for satan if it meant more power and money for their machine.

LLS

38 posted on 04/06/2012 12:22:22 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: iopscusa

Agreed. The party-uber-alles submissives and kapos cannot see or even comprehend that though. They would trade the little that remains for the short term appearance of victory over a lame duck, lazy failure.


39 posted on 04/06/2012 12:23:50 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to support Willard. He is what he is.)
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To: darrellmaurina

If we taxed liberal BS, we’d be flush with cash....


40 posted on 04/06/2012 12:25:08 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: andy58-in-nh
I believe you are correct. Romney's not a Marxist, he doesn't hate America, and he will not bow before dictators. Those may be the only good things I can say about him. But compared with the prospect of four more years of Obama - which will be the death of America, for real - it may have to do. A piss cocktail is a whole lot better than cyanide.

  1. "Romney's not a Marxist" - although his father was an enthusiastic supporter of Alinsky.
  2. "He doesn't hate America" - probably so
  3. "he will not bow before dictators" - that's nice
Romney will run the Presidency like he ran Massachusetts. He will be a place-holder for the left, and will get blamed for the economy which will nose-dive beginning in 2013, thus opening the door for a roaring DemocRAT comback in 2016.

Republicans in the House and Senate will be disinclined to go against the leader of their Party. So which is better, a leftist Republican who will run roughshod over conservatism, or a lame-duck Marxist that Republicans in the House and Senate can fight against? I like Alexander Hamilton's quote:

"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures."

41 posted on 04/06/2012 12:25:13 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Tzimisce
What do you want: Socialist A or Socialist B?

Yup, choose your plantation and do as the master demands.
42 posted on 04/06/2012 12:26:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Redleg Duke

You think they’ll not be screwed by Romney? Difference will be YOU helped make it happen and he did it in YOUR name.


43 posted on 04/06/2012 12:26:36 PM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
If these two a$$holes were correct, we would NEVER have considered Newt or Santorum. I hate ****ing liars and these two operatives are lying or so misinformed that they should resign their position today!

LLS

44 posted on 04/06/2012 12:26:47 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: RoadGumby
ither way, you get what we have had for the last 3 1/2 years. Just this time, it would have an R instead of a D, but idealogically, it is the SAME Animal

The difference is that if Romney is elected we get eight more years of a liberal in the White House as opposed to only four more.

45 posted on 04/06/2012 12:27:52 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Redleg Duke
"Yes, I am gonna send the GOP a strong message and screw my children and grandchildren at the same time 'cause I didn't get my way...so there....spit!"

Oh, Mitt Romney is going to get the deficit under control and reform entitlements? You can't be serious. Romney doesn't have the guts. If Romney gets in, he'll take the easy route to reduce the deficit by raising taxes on the rich and sticking the nation with a VAT tax. He'll seek to implement Romneycare nationwide, screwing over the kids and grandchildren.

46 posted on 04/06/2012 12:34:09 PM PDT by Kazan (Mitt Romney: The greater of two evils)
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To: Redleg Duke; Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2868451/posts?page=143#143

To: WOSG

McCain was at least pro-life and a war hero. But I didn’t vote for him, I voted for Sarah. I will not pull the lever for the abortionist/socialist big government RINO Romney. And I don’t care who he selects as a running mate. Never again.

FUMTR!! FUGOP!!

143 posted on Thursday, April 05, 2012 3:46:15 PM by Jim Robinson

Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)

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You want to tell Jim that he is an obama supporter??? You guys had better back off that crap. At some point... Jim will lose patience with that line of attack.

LLS

47 posted on 04/06/2012 12:34:22 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: darrellmaurina

Apparently the GOP establishment has aspirations to rename the GOP the CWAJGA party (Can’t We All Just Get Along).... Yup, it sure sounds like they are ready to take on the mantle of leadership doesn’t it ....... NOT!


48 posted on 04/06/2012 12:35:16 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Kazan
The difference is that if Romney is elected we get eight more years of a liberal in the White House as opposed to only four more.

I don't think a President Romney will make it past four years. BTW, did you know that Chuck U. Schumer will run the 2013 Presidential Inauguration? Immediately after Romney is sworn in on January 21, 2013, old Chuck will run to the cameras and announce "it's Romney's economy now!"

No matter what's been done these last 4 years, Romney and the Republicans will be blamed for the Greece-class economic nose-dive. I predict that in 2016, Obama will run for re-election (he can, you know) with the message "See, I TOLD you so!"

49 posted on 04/06/2012 12:36:30 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Amen LLS!


50 posted on 04/06/2012 12:38:04 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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