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Big Tobacco adds nearly $9 million to fight against cigarette tax (CA)
LA Slimes ^ | April 6, 2012 | | na

Posted on 04/06/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by Drango

Big Tobacco is going all in against Proposition 29, the June ballot measure that would hike cigarette taxes by $1 per pack.

On Thursday, the parent companies of Philip Morris USA and R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. reported nearly $9 million in contributions to the opposition campaign. That gives the tobacco companies a war chest of more than $23.5 million ...

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Tobacco companies appear to be fighting public sentiment. A USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll last month found that 68% of California voters favored Proposition 29, compared with 29% who opposed it.

Still, the public has rejected a variety of tax increases in recent years, including tobacco levies. In 2006, voters spurned a proposal to increase cigarette taxes by $2.60 a pack to reimburse hospitals for treating uninsured patients and to expand health insurance coverage for children.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimesblogs.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; liberaltax
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I favor the tax and will vote for it as will most conservatives.
1 posted on 04/06/2012 4:02:23 PM PDT by Drango
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2 posted on 04/06/2012 4:10:34 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

So I assume there will just be that much more mail purchases and smuggling? I am sure organized crime very much likes this tax.


3 posted on 04/06/2012 4:20:29 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Drango

http://24hrcigarette.com/mail-order-cigarettes.html ...problem solved!


4 posted on 04/06/2012 4:23:32 PM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Drango

I think the principle of such taxation is antithetical to liberty.


5 posted on 04/06/2012 4:33:11 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Drango
I favor the tax and will vote for it as will most conservatives.

Not being contentious, just curious. Why do you favor the tax? Why do you think most conservatives will vote for it?

6 posted on 04/06/2012 4:41:26 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: umgud

An increase in the price of a commodity will produce a decrease in demand. Econ 101. Particularly among children and teens.

Conservatives in election after election, have marched into voting booths and said “enough”. I believe once again they will support this. I know I will.


7 posted on 04/06/2012 4:47:34 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: MSF BU
I am not a smoker, but I will not be voting for this tax, It is a legal product, but politicians dont have the guts to make it illegal. they would lose too much revenue.. .slap a 5.00 tax on movies, and watch the hollywood elite come up with ads to stop that...
8 posted on 04/06/2012 4:51:35 PM PDT by JoanneSD (TEA PARTY VERSES TEE TIME)
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To: Drango
Particularly among children and teens.

You know, if they just made a law against children and teens smoking, this would be all solved...

9 posted on 04/06/2012 4:52:14 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu
Civilization cannot survive with twelve-year-olds having babies, fifteen-year-olds shooting one another, seventeen-year-olds dying of AIDS, and eighteen-year-olds graduating with diplomas they cannot read.-Newt Gingrich (1997)

Newt didn't mention smoking but he should have.

10 posted on 04/06/2012 4:55:02 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

The title should be “Big government tax tries to screw tobacco companies out of 9million.”


11 posted on 04/06/2012 4:58:37 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: FoxInSocks
I think the principle of such taxation is antithetical to liberty.

Well you would be going against George Washington, except it was a tax on whiskey.

I don't have a major problem with "sin taxes" but tobacco is taxed enough already. At this point you are trying to get blood from a turnip.

12 posted on 04/06/2012 5:03:32 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: Drango

Doesn’t it require a credit check to take out a loan big enough to buy a pack of cigs in California?

I am an ex-smoker but don’t begrudge those who continue to smoke. Freedom doesn’t start where my desires end — it must be upheld for all, especially those who do unpopular but free actions/


13 posted on 04/06/2012 5:13:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003

There is no freedom in addiction.


14 posted on 04/06/2012 5:15:40 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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>>There is no freedom in addiction.<<

So you want to outlaw/tax/criminalize alcohol as well? Fast food? Twinkies?

The worst tyranny is those who would impose their sensibilities on others. Nanny Staters are the lowest lifeforms on earth.

Thomas Jefferson has been spinning in his grave for years — this just sets the spin cycle on high.


15 posted on 04/06/2012 5:21:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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I favor the tax and will vote for it as will most conservatives.

An oxymoronic statement, if there ever was one.

16 posted on 04/06/2012 5:31:35 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: freedumb2003

You support the addiction of 95% smokers who start under the age of 21? Sorry I don’t.


17 posted on 04/06/2012 5:31:50 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
There is no freedom in addiction.

Particularly the addiction to government interference in people's everyday lives and the perpetuation and expansion of the nanny state.

18 posted on 04/06/2012 5:34:32 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: NathanR

I see the tax as punitive and a tool for behavior modification. I don’t think taxes should be levied on sugary products to dissuade people from eating candy bars or soft drinks. I don’t agree with increasing gas taxes to encourage citizens to use public transportation or buy “green” cars.

Perhaps this move will stimulate the economies of border towns in Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon.


19 posted on 04/06/2012 5:36:23 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: elkfersupper

I support free people, freely voting. Sorry you don’t.


20 posted on 04/06/2012 5:36:58 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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>>You support the addiction of 95% smokers who start under the age of 21? Sorry I don’t.<<

Unlike you, I support their freedom to choose and the freedom of their parents to teach them properly (I also note you did not answer my questions).

Are you sure you are on the right site? DU and KOS are 2 clicks to the left.

There is no room for you Nanny Staters here at FREE Republic.


21 posted on 04/06/2012 5:37:10 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango

Is there anyone over the age of five who doesn’t know that tobacco is addictive and dangerous?

The freedom comes when you pick up the first cigarette. You make a non-addictive decision to do so.

Not only is it freedom, it comes with the individual responsibility for your action.

Those of you who want to government to protect you, can pay for it yourself.


22 posted on 04/06/2012 5:38:19 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Drango
I support free people, freely voting. Sorry you don’t.

Mob rule was never intended to be a part of the fabric of this country.

23 posted on 04/06/2012 5:41:26 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Drango

There needs to be a HUGE tax on guns!


24 posted on 04/06/2012 5:43:40 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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There needs to be a HUGE tax on guns!

Your words.

25 posted on 04/06/2012 5:44:57 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

That pic could just as easily be an old alcoholic.


26 posted on 04/06/2012 5:46:38 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Drango

I favor a tax on all those who favor the tax. Make that a double.


27 posted on 04/06/2012 5:47:38 PM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM (OBIWAN) IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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To: elkfersupper

Addicting children isn’t a conservative value.


28 posted on 04/06/2012 5:50:20 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

The quarrel is not with the legality of the process, but the morality of the legislation.


29 posted on 04/06/2012 5:51:06 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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Why no huge tax on alcohol?
I don't smoke but it seems unfair to tax cigs so extravagantly and not alcohol
Alcohol causes just as much more deaths than cigs- plus all the distruction and heartbreak.
30 posted on 04/06/2012 5:51:11 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Drango

are more people smoking than ever, or is just that they’ve all been forced out onto the sidewalk?


31 posted on 04/06/2012 5:52:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: patriot08

careful there, homey — that’s sacred ground, and it’s probably connected to the Kennedy’s.


32 posted on 04/06/2012 5:53:56 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: Drango
Your words.

Guns, tobacco, Sugar Babies, gasoline, tires, Fudgesicles, Twinkies, travel, "unnecessary" indoor or outdoor living space, political activism, religious affiliation, news browsing, sex between consenting adults,Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, shooting ranges, seat belts, ad nauseum.

Give it up, Drango.

33 posted on 04/06/2012 5:54:12 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: patriot08

The spirits tax in California is $3.30 per gallon (as of January 2010).


34 posted on 04/06/2012 5:56:10 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: elkfersupper

Addicting children isn’t a conservative value.


35 posted on 04/06/2012 5:57:22 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
Addicting children isn’t a conservative value.

According to you, addicting them to a nanny state is.

36 posted on 04/06/2012 6:00:35 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Drango
There is no freedom in addiction.

You should work to ban it then. To do otherwise is hypocritical.

37 posted on 04/06/2012 6:00:39 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well as the New Black Panthers, CBC and the NAACP)
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To: Drango

I suggest most California conservatives would at this point sooner nuke Sacramento from orbit than vote it another penny.


38 posted on 04/06/2012 6:03:51 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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I propose both. Nuking Sacto and taxing cigarettes. It’s a win/win.


39 posted on 04/06/2012 6:07:41 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

You’re out of luck: nuclear arms have been overtaxed and are too expensive for anybody to buy one.


40 posted on 04/06/2012 6:14:39 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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>>According to you, addicting them to a nanny state is. <<

Game, set and match.

Drango, you have been PWNED! Back to the DU netherworld for you!


41 posted on 04/06/2012 6:29:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Drango; freedumb2003

Drango...you are a “nanny-stater” and that is the antithesis of conservative thought and belief. Mind your own business and quit trying to tax “sins” of others to control their behavior. It’s none of your business.


42 posted on 04/06/2012 6:34:59 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Drango

Doing nothing does not support something. You need basic logic 101.


43 posted on 04/06/2012 6:36:21 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Drango

You need to change your tagline...


44 posted on 04/06/2012 6:39:35 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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Back to the DU netherworld for you!

Never will happen. Drango has been PWNED so much on this forum that he, she or it is immune from logic.

45 posted on 04/06/2012 6:43:20 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: antceecee
Doing nothing does not support something.

Civilization cannot survive with twelve-year-olds having babies, fifteen-year-olds shooting one another, seventeen-year-olds dying of AIDS, and eighteen-year-olds graduating with diplomas they cannot read.-Newt Gingrich (1997)

Newt didn't mention smoking but he should have. You need to stop enabling.

46 posted on 04/06/2012 6:44:59 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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Isn’t a gun in a child’s hands more dangerous than a cigarette?


47 posted on 04/06/2012 6:47:32 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: Drango; All
Your nanny-state buddies here in California and on the Fed level has taken the power and focus out of the hands of the family and put it into government hands, which is precisely why we have the problems we have today. Sin taxes are an example of liberal control freak failure.

From your posts I would say you are definitely not a conservative.

48 posted on 04/06/2012 6:54:37 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: elkfersupper; freedumb2003; Drango

Didn’t Drango have to quit smoking due to hypertension caused by morbid obesity?

Seems like I remember seeing that on a thread as to why he hates smoking.

I could be wrong but it sounds plausible.


49 posted on 04/06/2012 6:54:56 PM PDT by Eaker (Remember, the enemy tends to wise up at the least convenient moments.)
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To: elkfersupper; freedumb2003; antceecee
Back to the DU netherworld for you!

Often the voices of addiction or death pimping try to shut out conservatives. Addicting children is not a conservative value.

But time and time again, with the privacy of the voting booth, conservatives had made their voices heard. Once aging will speak in California. see you on election day. When free people can freely vote. ! GASP!!!!

50 posted on 04/06/2012 6:57:11 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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