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Record 87,897,000 Americans Not in the Labor Force
www.breitbart.com ^ | Apr 07, 2012 | Wynton Hall

Posted on 04/07/2012 2:18:01 PM PDT by forbushalltheway

Amid disappointing unemployment numbers that fell 80,000 jobs short of projections, another number is raising eyebrows: the number of Americans not in the labor force has hit a record high 87,897,000.

This figure explains why overall unemployment dropped from 8.3% to 8.2%, as the Department of Labor's unemployment figure does not include people who have given up hope and are not actively seeking employment.

When the number of individuals who have stopped looking for a job and/or who are working part-time but desire full-time employment is included--a figure known as the "underemployment rate"--real unemployment stands at 19.1%.

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1 posted on 04/07/2012 2:18:11 PM PDT by forbushalltheway
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To: forbushalltheway

Businesses have caught on and are using part time work so they aren’t out any benefits. That’s a good portion of what’s hurting the economy.


2 posted on 04/07/2012 2:23:00 PM PDT by bgill
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To: forbushalltheway

That sounds a whole lot closer to the truth


3 posted on 04/07/2012 2:23:46 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: forbushalltheway
I wonder how the welfare/foodstamp/medical card numbers compare/contrast with the unemployment numbers?

It would seem to me that those even trying to stay independent may find themselves up against a wall.

I can live on Ramen and eggs w/coffee ... but can/will others ?

4 posted on 04/07/2012 2:25:13 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: forbushalltheway

The turds in Barry’s state run “media” are just orgasmic over this! It’s making Barry’s Obamanomics look like it’s working. Americans aren’t very smart. They’re eating it up. You can’t get all of your information from Ken and Barbie 30 second soundbites on the nightly “news” and expect to be very informed.


5 posted on 04/07/2012 2:25:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The libs don't want to save da planit. If they did, they'd boycott BIG oil and petroleum products.)
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To: forbushalltheway

19.1%...tell ALL your friends; tell ALL your neighbors.


6 posted on 04/07/2012 2:28:32 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: forbushalltheway

This figure does not compute . . . But if it is half that number, it is devastating for the 0bama Regime.


7 posted on 04/07/2012 2:30:40 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: F15Eagle

Population of the US vs this number.... Wow.


8 posted on 04/07/2012 2:30:41 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: forbushalltheway

Without even opening the link, this has to be one of the worst written stories ever.

First, 10 million illegals and 25+ million legal immigrants in the labor force are not Americans.

Second, The USA has 311 milion+ Americans. Give me a pie chart that shows the number under age 18; the number 18+ fulltime students; the number in prison, jail, mental wards, etc; the number retired; the number with true disability; the number on welfare; etc. only then can we talk about the number faking disability; the number unemployed and not looking for work (discouraged); the number unemployed and looking for work and willing to take any job to keep their pride; the number only willing to take a job that pays more than their worth; the number working in the underground economy; and finally the number actually working.

Only by considering the entire pie can any sense be made of talking about one or two slices of the pie.


9 posted on 04/07/2012 2:32:25 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Squantos; who knows what evil?

Yep. I have figured we were closer to 20% than any of the bologna that comes out of the White House.

The closing of commercial properties of all kinds is quite an omen. Lotsa places, restaurants, shops in strip malls, stand-alone buildings, all going vacant.


10 posted on 04/07/2012 2:34:46 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: forbushalltheway

And for the people that were working, earnings were down 0.2%, and we all know what prices are doing, not a good mix.


11 posted on 04/07/2012 2:43:30 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: forbushalltheway
With almost 88 Million of the 310 Million Americans out of work 28% unemployment, We can only call this The Greatest Depression.

Under GWB unemployment was 4% and now it's 28% under Obama.

12 posted on 04/07/2012 3:21:29 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: forbushalltheway
real unemployment stands at 19.1%.

There it is Jim. There is the real truth. 8.2 my foot. That is a lie. 87 MILLION not working. That has to include retirees. Since we have what, 312 million citizens.

13 posted on 04/07/2012 3:28:51 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (He has Risen!!! If you do not know Him, this is the perfect week to seek Him out!!!)
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To: forbushalltheway

Crappy times are here again.
Maybe next they’ll outlaw beer again.
All the bulls have become steers again.
Crappy times are here again.


14 posted on 04/07/2012 3:58:30 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: forbushalltheway; Chode

Look at the bright side.

Come November the cause of it all will be one of those numbers too!


15 posted on 04/07/2012 4:20:29 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: Morgana

don’t hold your breath... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2869375/posts


16 posted on 04/07/2012 4:37:18 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: forbushalltheway

freelancers aren’t included as unemployed


17 posted on 04/07/2012 5:02:39 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: knarf

18 posted on 04/07/2012 5:10:24 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: forbushalltheway

When a nation outsources it’s manufacturing base to the third world communists, this is what happens. Ain’t Free Trade™ great?


19 posted on 04/07/2012 5:12:36 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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20 posted on 04/07/2012 5:24:19 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Uncle Slayton

I’m pretty sure UE was a little higher under Bush if you measure it the same way you do Obama’s. We’ve been measuring UE this way since the Johnson admin. So UE probably has always been higher than what we were officially told since the 60’s.

However, this economy is a stink hole compared to what we had under Bush. Unfortunately we were in the midst of a bubble back then but that’s another story. Bubble or no bubble it WAS growing well while we were being told it was the worst economy since Hoover.


21 posted on 04/07/2012 5:43:19 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: forbushalltheway

87 MILLION....

That’s more than the combined population of California, Texas and New York.

Hope doesn’t live here anymore............


22 posted on 04/07/2012 5:47:56 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (The Margin of GOP victory MUST exceed the margin of Democrat election theft!)
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To: F15Eagle

Out here on the open plains of the Panhandle I have to watch the “freight train” economics ... same observations here pretty much.

Stay safe !


23 posted on 04/07/2012 6:20:25 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: forbushalltheway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhouse
Patrick Colquhoun, 1806

Poverty ... is a most necessary and indispensable ingredient in society, without which nations and communities could not exist in a state of civilisation. It is the lot of man – it is the source of wealth, since without poverty there would be no labour, and without labour there could be no riches, no refinement, no comfort, and no benefit to those who may be possessed of wealth


24 posted on 04/07/2012 6:30:43 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: forbushalltheway

Does the 88 million include children and retirees, or only people of working age?

I’m sure the real figures are higher than the ones we are given, in any case.


25 posted on 04/07/2012 6:45:07 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: forbushalltheway; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; wagglebee; ...

That is an astonishing number of discouraged people. Not all or even a majority of them are moochers, just people who have tried the typical solutions unsuccessfully and are now at a loss of what to do.


26 posted on 04/07/2012 7:45:54 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: Kaslin; SunkenCiv

Ping


27 posted on 04/07/2012 7:48:08 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: forbushalltheway

Can there really be 87,897,000 John and Johanna Galts?


28 posted on 04/07/2012 8:01:57 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: forbushalltheway

29 posted on 04/07/2012 8:06:05 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

The slope looks bad too.


30 posted on 04/07/2012 8:15:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Doe Eyes

The slope looks to be asymptotic.


31 posted on 04/07/2012 8:22:23 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: forbushalltheway

Pretty much everything went to “H” after the Democrats arrived in force in Congress in 2007. Then Obama in January of 2009, and then it was “Katie bar the door”.

We’re being run over by a criminal organization as I see it.


32 posted on 04/07/2012 8:32:20 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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Thanks Libloather.

33 posted on 04/07/2012 8:52:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Clintonfatigued.


34 posted on 04/07/2012 8:52:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bgill

Exactly. The only work my son can find.


35 posted on 04/08/2012 4:05:49 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Squantos

more than the population of France which is some 65 million. Canada 34 million. Great Britain 62 million. I could go on and on.


36 posted on 04/08/2012 4:11:03 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: CommieCutter

Discouraged workers were removed from the headline number in the early 90’s as a way to keep that number low and help get people reelected. I believe under Clinton. Pretty sure actually but i don’t know when the revisions were initially undertaken. They may have started under Bush 1 and finalized later.


37 posted on 04/08/2012 4:15:24 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Kenny500c

More part timers and more illegals working for less are destroying wages. The part timers are by and large the way corporations are hiring now to keep down costs.


38 posted on 04/08/2012 4:18:02 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
That is an astonishing number of discouraged people. Not all or even a majority of them are moochers, just people who have tried the typical solutions unsuccessfully and are now at a loss of what to do.

It is indeed a lot of people. I don't know if this anecdotal observation is true everywhere, but I have noticed a lot more cars and trucks with those magnetic signs on the sides...advertising a new 'sole proprietorship' business. Painter Joe, plumber Mike, lawn care girl Pat, etc. And these are not or do not appear to be foreigners creating work...they are legitimate Americans trying to do for themselves.

And if one stops to speak with them you find they are busy, they are getting odd jobs/work/ etc. and they are not hiring. They are doing these jobs to keep food on the table for their family, but do not want to face the gauntlet that is government requirements coming down in the road a few months from now.

These people are also older or middle-age Americans who still understand finding or creating 'work and production' comes from oneself...not the government. It is the young people that I see who don't seem to know 'where to start or what to do?' It is the democrat that appears quite frankly at a loss and unable or unwilling to navigate the gauntlet that is starting a sole proprietorship.

39 posted on 04/08/2012 4:43:36 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: bgill
Benefits are not a perk to a business they are a cost. A business cannot be “out any benefits,” they can only be out the cost of offering those benefits as part of the overall job package.

At the current cost of ‘benefits’ you expect businesses to just suck it up and not make adjustments to their bottom line by using part-time workers heading into 2013?

So are you insinuating it is the businesses hurting the economy because they are refusing to play ball with the new “benefits” requirements?

I do not believe you meant what your wrote as it reads. Blaming businesses.

If not, then say what you do mean...The future regulation of private sector benefits are hurting the economy. The skyrocketing costs of benefits are being counter productive to the economy and businesses ability to hire full-time workers.

We have to be in the habit of using the rhetoric that is the truth and affixing understanding to the root causes that hurt our country.

40 posted on 04/08/2012 4:58:01 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: forbushalltheway

If they did this honestly they would use the following formula. Total number of Americans, minus those under 18 or in school, minus those retired or getting pensions, SSI, etc; minus those filing income taxes. The rest must be unemployed. Sounds simple but I can see why politicians would hate it.


41 posted on 04/08/2012 5:19:10 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: wiggen

Good god.


42 posted on 04/08/2012 5:45:33 AM PDT by corlorde (Drone strikes: the preferred method of killing by Nobel peace prize winners since 2009)
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To: forbushalltheway
Record 87,897,000 Americans Not in the Labor Force

311,591,917 (U.S. population roughly)
-23,395,287 (age 65 and over: male 17,745,363/female 23,377,542)
-62,889,723(age under 14: male 32,107,900/female 30,781,823)

86,285,010 not in workforce because they're under 15 or over 64. And that was using 2011 numbers. This record number not in the labor force doesn't mean that these are people who would otherwise be working. It is simply all those, for whatever reason, who are not.
43 posted on 04/08/2012 6:06:29 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: bgill

“Businesses have caught on and are using part time work so they aren’t out any benefits. That’s a good portion of what’s hurting the economy.”

Obamacare, if it is upheld by the Supreme Court, will solve much of the benefits issue for employers. Beginning in 2014 they will discontinue medical benefits just as most employers discontinued defined benefit pension plans in the 2 decades after the legislation establishing 401K plans was enacted (1978).


44 posted on 04/08/2012 6:21:03 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: aruanan

“Record 87,897,000 Americans Not in the Labor Force”

The 20 million US manufacturing jobs lost since 1990 due to our one way free trade policies would make a nice dent in the unemployment number. Add to that the millions of jobs held by illegals.

Government policies do affect the employment rate.


45 posted on 04/08/2012 6:26:02 AM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Soul of the South; EBH; Clintonfatigued
“Record 87,897,000 Americans Not in the Labor Force”

Remember that over 98% of this number is accounted for by people under the age of 15 and over the age of 64. This 87 million number is NOT referring to people who would otherwise be in the labor force but for the bad economy.
46 posted on 04/08/2012 6:46:41 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Soul of the South; EBH; Clintonfatigued

See post 43.


47 posted on 04/08/2012 6:48:10 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

See post 18


48 posted on 04/08/2012 7:59:38 AM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: forbushalltheway

yes, I know, still looking and NO JOBS out there.


49 posted on 04/08/2012 8:04:02 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: bgill

“Businesses have caught on and are using part time work so they aren’t out any benefits.”

They’re using temps, too; it might be a ten-year assignment, but it is staffed by temps. Not likely Obama voters in November...


50 posted on 04/08/2012 8:15:28 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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