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Parting Ways [National Review fires John Derbyshire!]
NRO ^ | 2012-04-07 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 04/07/2012 4:24:15 PM PDT by cartan

Anyone who has read Derb in our pages knows he’s a deeply literate, funny, and incisive writer. I direct anyone who doubts his talents to his delightful first novel, “Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream, or any one of his “Straggler” columns in the books section of NR. Derb is also maddening, outrageous, cranky, and provocative. His latest provocation, in a webzine, lurches from the politically incorrect to the nasty and indefensible. We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise. So there has to be a parting of the ways. Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation. It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Just not in the pages of NR or NRO, or as someone associated with NR any longer.


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To: Flotsam_Jetsome; reaganaut1; melancholy; Silver Sabre; mkjessup; cartan; Jim Robinson; All
Here's what the Atlantic said:

“Derbyshire doesn't do the really obvious racist stuff — the stuff that goes up at FreeRepublic.com, for example — like post photos Obama in stereotypical tribal garb with a bone through his nose. Instead, he talks about how his East African parentage means he might be suspect to some black voters, who are more likely to be of West African heritage.”

The link is here: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/04/why-john-derbyshire-hasnt-been-fired-yet/50803/

The Atlantic then provides numerous links to various things Derbyshire has written, going back at least four years, with links, that don't sound very good.

I don't know enough about Derbyshire to have an intelligent comment on his views. However, I believe Jim Robinson and the community of those of us who post on Free Republic need to make **ABSOLUTELY** clear that Free Republic does **NOT** support racism.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Jim, but I think someone posting photos of “Obama in stereotypical tribal garb with a bone through his nose” would get in trouble here, especially if that was part of a pattern of anti-black ranting.

Maybe I've been lucky but I simply haven't run into a lot of the “bad blacks” that some people like to talk about. I've seen some, but not many, and I know from firsthand experience that even in high-crime areas, most residents are basically decent people who have been intimidated into a code of silence. That's coming from someone who, back when I was in college and graduate school, was living in the inner city and was attending a church that was in the process of successfully changing from predominantly white to predominantly black. Once my neighbors and fellow church members got to know me, they decided “he's okay” and I had no more issues.

Yes, I take precautions when in an area where I'm one of the few white people, but I'd do the same in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood, and my Italian ancestors would have done the same in a predominantly Irish neighborhood, and a hundred years ago walking into a neighborhood full of “wops” and “dagos” would have scared the living daylights out of many WASPS.

It's not just blacks and Hispanics who get this treatment. When I walk around in Korea, I have to be careful not to hold my wife's hand, and I always have to wear a suit and tie in public, because otherwise people could look down on her as a “race-mixer” of questionable morality. That's reality; I don't like it, but I have to deal with it — there are lots of cultures where white people are looked down on as immoral wicked people whose goal is to “knock up” innocent Asian women.

Bottom line: if you act like and dress like a gangbanger, you'll get treated like one. Act and dress like a professional, and most (not all but most) people will treat you like a decent human being.

101 posted on 04/07/2012 7:19:30 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Lazlo in PA
Lowry is a pussy. This shows how weak that magazine has become since Buckley died. Screw You NR.

NR now stands for "Nutless RINO's."

102 posted on 04/07/2012 7:25:41 PM PDT by fallujah-nuker
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To: cartan

letters@nationalreview.com

CALL

• NR Print Subscriber Customer Service — 386-246-0118

• NR / Digital Subscriber Customer Service — 212-849-2816

• National Review — 212-679-7330


103 posted on 04/07/2012 7:28:42 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: cartan

I dropped my subscription years ago. A shame - it was such a nice magazine.


105 posted on 04/07/2012 7:31:54 PM PDT by peggybac
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To: GeronL

As satire or parody, his article was pretty good. If it was a serious article, it was rediculous, and there’s no way NR could keep him on staff. I don’t think it’s a loss for them, he wasn’t a serious conservative writer, and he did a lot of writing that was on the edge of decency.


106 posted on 04/07/2012 7:32:41 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster; CharlesWayneCT; kristinn; onyx; Jim Robinson
Ping to two “round eyes” living in Japan and Korea, to Onyx and Kristinn due to their official role with Free Republic, and to CharlesWayneCT who correctly noted the problem of Free Republic getting blasted by the Atlantic here:

“Derbyshire doesn't do the really obvious racist stuff — the stuff that goes up at FreeRepublic.com, for example — like post photos Obama in stereotypical tribal garb with a bone through his nose. Instead, he talks about how his East African parentage means he might be suspect to some black voters, who are more likely to be of West African heritage.”

I believe it is essential that Free Republic respond to the Atlantic, and do so officially.

Unofficially, I believe americanintokyo and tigerlikesrooster are in especially good positions to write letters to the Atlantic defending Free Republic against charges of racism because of their long history with Free Republic and personal experience of anti-white racism in Asia, where American men are often viewed as sexual perverts on the prowl to seduce innocent Asian women.

Yes, I've seen neo-Confederate and secessionist stuff show up from time to time here, and I've jumped on the people when I saw it, but I've regarded it as either crazy wackos (which every site has, on both sides of the aisle) or trolls putting up garbage to hurt Free Republic. It is crystal clear that Free Republic does not officially back such things, and rebukes people when racist bigotry shows up.

Look at all the support here for Col. West and Herman Cain, for crying out loud!

Black people aren't the problem. Neither are Hispanics. The problem is liberalism. I don't care if conservatives are white, black, yellow, or purple with antennae sticking out of their heads. If you love God and the Constitution, you're fine with me, and if you love the Constitution but not God, I still like you and will probably invite you to church.

107 posted on 04/07/2012 7:32:57 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
"I believe it is essential that Free Republic respond to the Atlantic, and do so officially."

My little league coach taught me to never swing at a pitch that is un the dirt.

108 posted on 04/07/2012 7:34:47 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: madameguinot

It was probably because some of the comments devolved into a hate fest.

I went to it this morning and there was already a thread in the comments about how the Joooos were the reason behind everything evil in the world.


109 posted on 04/07/2012 7:35:36 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: darrellmaurina

“The Atlantic then provides numerous links to various things Derbyshire has written, going back at least four years, with links, that don’t sound very good.”

What did he write that bothers you?

Mathematicians are trained to look at numbers, not to avoid them. Based on recent happenings in multiple cities, if the percentage of people at a public gathering suddenly goes from predominately white to black, it IS a good idea for whites to clear out.

There ARE racial differences between East and West Africa. And in Africa, those differences are critical to survival sometimes - remember Rwanda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide)?


110 posted on 04/07/2012 7:35:40 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: sergeantdave

I’m from Mississippi. Sweet tea from McAllisters, if you please.


111 posted on 04/07/2012 7:36:44 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: darrellmaurina
However, I believe Jim Robinson and the community of those of us who post on Free Republic need to make **ABSOLUTELY** clear that Free Republic does **NOT** support racism.

Define "racism". Is doubting that all races are equally intelligent on average "racist"?

112 posted on 04/07/2012 7:38:09 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: mkjessup

Don’t expect sanity from an Atlantic article.


113 posted on 04/07/2012 7:38:45 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

NR shouldn’t have a staff then. I bet they have all written things that offended liberals before.


114 posted on 04/07/2012 7:39:53 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: mkjessup

Yeah, I posted before reading the entire thread.

BTW, when I read the Derb article, I thought that was satire as well — do you think he actually meant it?


115 posted on 04/07/2012 7:43:52 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: rogue yam
The way you never get attacked on the streets downtown at 2 AM is very simple ~ pretty much follow the specifics Derbyshire advised, but also ~ most important one is NEVER let anyone get within 100 yards of you and never advance on your objective (whether it's crossing the street or getting to your car) unless you know of at least TWO ways to escape from wherever you are at.

Just drop the black stuff ~ all of it applies to human beings you don't know, or maybe you do know them.

Oh, yeah, TIE YOUR SHOES BEFORE VENTURING OUT ON THE STREETS. Nothing like starting to run and losing a shoe.

116 posted on 04/07/2012 7:47:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rogue yam
MInor piece of advice ~ you encounter a guy at night during late business hours and he's begging for change ~ 'jus a dollah man' ~ DO NOT pull your wallet, and don't even put a hand in your pants pocket. He and his buddy you didn't see will have you on the ground in a sec.

Beggars don't do nights. Criminals do.

117 posted on 04/07/2012 7:49:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: darrellmaurina
"It's not just blacks and Hispanics who get this treatment. When I walk around in Korea, I have to be careful not to hold my wife's hand, and I always have to wear a suit and tie in public, because otherwise people could look down on her as a “race-mixer” of questionable morality. That's reality; I don't like it, but I have to deal with it — there are lots of cultures where white people are looked down on as immoral wicked people whose goal is to “knock up” innocent Asian women."

Oh, I don't know. Asian cultures have a long-standing, inherent aversion to public displays of affection such as holding hands or kissing. I live in Japan and it's the same here.

I do get the occasional looks of disgust, mostly from older people, but for the most part when the biracial aspect of my marriage (and offspring) is noticed, it is good-natured curiosity more than anything else that's on display. And I certainly don't feel the need to sport a suit and tie to boost the moral gravitas of either my spouse or myself. Perhaps it's different in Korea.

"However, I believe Jim Robinson and the community of those of us who post on Free Republic need to make **ABSOLUTELY** clear that Free Republic does **NOT** support racism."

Of course. I see this pretty much every time I post anything:

"Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

118 posted on 04/07/2012 7:50:02 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: darrellmaurina

There have been actual photos of Obama posted here where he is wearing some sort of robe — they aren’t photoshopped, and don’t have nose rings, and FR is very good about taking care of racist stuff.

But it is a community effort — if you see something, ping the moderators, since they don’t read every last comment. We all have a part in keeping the good reputation of FR.


119 posted on 04/07/2012 7:51:44 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; heartwood

Reality is what it is, and personal stories like the one I’ve replied to here by heartwood are reality.

How much do you know of the Cincinnati riots of April 2001? They were well-reported on here at FR. In the national media, not so much. They were very much overshadowed by events of September of that year. At some level, it appears we are coming back to a societal discussion we should have had back then.

The brutal reality is that whites do not regularly make racially motivated attacks on blacks in the USA. The converse is not true.

Ignore this at your peril.


120 posted on 04/07/2012 7:51:44 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: muawiyah
Just drop the black stuff ~ all of it applies to human beings you don't know, or maybe you do know them.

Well, Jesse Jackson said if he were out walking late at night and heard someone walking behind him and turned and saw it was a white person, he would feel relieved.
121 posted on 04/07/2012 7:51:57 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: cartan

Lowry has joined the ranks of Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farakhan. He’s joined the race baiters, apologists and anyone against open debate. The man is worthless and despicable. I used to subscribe to NRO years ago before joining FR. I dropped that subscription when I came here. This simply justifies my decision. They are nothing to me.

I don’t know how many here still subscribe to NRO. I’d suspect a fair number. I suggest those who do reconsider to send a message to Lowry and NRO. We don’t care for your bipartisan rhetoric. We don’t care for your juvenile opinion. We do care for the truth and John Derbyshire wrote the truth, regardless of how unseemly it may appear. Either be a man or go to Hell.


122 posted on 04/07/2012 7:53:43 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: cartan
So there has to be a parting of the ways. Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation.

Rich Lowry, you're a moron. National Review has turned to crap since the death of Wm. F. Buckley, Jr..
123 posted on 04/07/2012 7:53:58 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: darrellmaurina

BTW, in what has to be a hilarious joke, when the Atlantic article pretended to find such pictures at FR, they provided a link to the offensive picture.

It was actually a link to Talking Points Memo, which is a left-wing site.


124 posted on 04/07/2012 7:54:32 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: madameguinot

I don’t think they’ve pulled it. I think they are getting so much traffic due to the Derbyshire article that it looks like a DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) Internet attack on the Taki web site.


125 posted on 04/07/2012 7:57:30 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: cartan; Travis McGee; Pelham; Twink; sauropod

Given you have only been here 8 years there was a time even here that Derbyshire’s article woulda been yanked pronto and a whole mess of Klown Posse/Goldberg type PC freepers woulda been calling for your head on a platter as a racist.

That is a fact. I have no idea how I survived those strange about race days.

there was a definite contingent of those types here then...not many anymore

the Rudy purge took many of them....those who didn’t go with the Klowns


127 posted on 04/07/2012 7:59:27 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

>>Take Cincinnati.. please!

>>Whites driving home by their usual routes through Avondale were dragged from cars beaten some killed and some left with permanent damage. That was in the 1960s and happened multiple years.

There were significant riots in Cincy in April 2001 with notable black-on-white racist random violence on those unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, generally through no fault of their own. This was well-covered at FR at the time, though not in the MSM.


128 posted on 04/07/2012 8:00:37 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: AAABEST

lol...kumbaya pwned


129 posted on 04/07/2012 8:02:55 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: tumblindice

Derbyshire compared ethnic groups. His analysis was on point. The fact that Blacks compare unfavorably to Whites in some areas is in may instances due to the inhibitions placed on them by their adopted political party. Had they been given a proper opportunity to improve themselves, I have no doubt they would be comparable to anyone. And I say this from familiarity; not statistics.


130 posted on 04/07/2012 8:02:55 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“But it is a community effort — if you see something, ping the moderators, since they don’t read every last comment. We all have a part in keeping the good reputation of FR.”

That must have been exactly what they were sayin’ ‘round The National Review just before Mr. Derbyshire mussed things up!


131 posted on 04/07/2012 8:03:43 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: wardaddy; cartan; Travis McGee; Pelham; Twink; sauropod

My impression of Clown Posse was that they were totally intolerant of white folks who had ‘colored’ friends ~


132 posted on 04/07/2012 8:04:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mr Rogers

People are not statistics.

We should not shirk from understanding, explaining, and working on the problems that are pointed out by various statistics.

But I don’t believe you react to statistics by teaching a general distrust for an entire race of people.

Let’s look at just one statistic — I think it was that 1600 white people were killed by blacks each year.

It is offered as part of the argument that it is much more likely that a black will kill a white, than a random white would kill a black.

But the problem is that neither a random white or a random black are likely to kill anybody. You could live your whole life and never run into one of the “black killers” who would kill a white person.

Some of what Derb wrote is just common-sense, although it would apply equally to other circumstances. There’s no sense in putting yourself into a situation where you would be an obvious target, regardless of the race of the neighborhood. And it is certainly true that people of all races tend to react differently to people who are ‘like them’.

But other things he said take single incidents and pretend they are common occurances. I go to dozens of theme parks every year, and there have been minority events in those parks, and I’ve never felt endangered or otherwise made uncomfortable being there. Yes, there was an incident — but saying it’s common is like using Columbine to justify the wholesale repression of common actions high schoolers take, in the name of “stopping the violence” that is already lower in schools than other places.

Derb knows this — he is a math guy. I still think he was being satirical.


133 posted on 04/07/2012 8:05:19 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tzar; rogue yam
It was pointless. Did you learn anything reading it?

Poor Tzar. The article was brilliant. Having lived in Jesse Jackson's vicinity since 1994 and only a block and a half from Louis Farrakhan's house these last few years, I saw nothing in the article that didn't ring true to my experience. People are treating this article like they treated The Bell Curve, with knee-jerk reaction and politically correct criticism.
134 posted on 04/07/2012 8:07:02 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: rogue yam

Stop the presses! Stop the presses! LOL


135 posted on 04/07/2012 8:07:21 PM PDT by turn_to
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To: bcsco

I don’t understand the “subscribe to NRO”. I do reed the web site, but i’ve never subscribed, and I don’t donate to them. I like a lot of what they write, or at least find it useful to read.


136 posted on 04/07/2012 8:09:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: darrellmaurina; AAABEST; Pelham; mrsmel; Salamander; stainlessbanner
Look at all the support here for Col. West and Herman Cain, for crying out loud!

when you free yourself from self indulgent white guilt and this kneejerk reaction to constantly show how much you love non white peoples more than life itself and simply cannot believe those nasty statistics and hate those evil white southerners who just don't suck up to it all like you do as you preen in your self righteous Yankee-ness oblivious to anything beyond your cornfield...you will be the better for it.

jackass

thank God there are so few of your ilk still here...illbay, sinkspur, bayourod, nonsequitur, whiskeypapa, trumandogz too now I hear...and so forth...gone..zot.

137 posted on 04/07/2012 8:11:59 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: heartwood

I think your daughters first thought on you was right.


138 posted on 04/07/2012 8:15:52 PM PDT by hitchwolf
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To: Mr Rogers; Mad Dawgg; kristinn; onyx; Jim Robinson; reaganaut1; Flotsam_Jetsome; CharlesWayneCT; ...
@ wardaddy: I don't know who you are. Let's just say I don't use language like yours toward my worst enemies and fortunately I don't think comments like yours represent more than a tiny fraction of Free Republic.

108 posted on Sat Apr 07 2012 21:34:47 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Mad Dawgg: “My little league coach taught me to never swing at a pitch that is un the dirt.”

Yes, but we're playing big league politics, not little league baseball. In politics, responding to something **IN THE SAME NEWS CYCLE** is crucial if you're a candidate, and it's not a lot lower in the priority list for situations like this.

The big difference is a pitch in the dirt doesn't get the batter in trouble, and if there are enough of those pitches, the batter gets to walk to first base. Here, the “pitch,” if not responded to, can cause major damage to Free Republic for being racist. It's not a true accusation — look at all the support here for Herman Cain and Col. West — but an accusation with no response is an accusation which gets believed.

Let's be clear here — this is a high stakes game of hardball. The leftists are looking for ways to discredit conservatives. Free Republic is a major conservative website. Especially if Jim Robinson intends to lead a last-ditch fight to stop Mitt Romney — and he has made very clear that he's not going to support Romney no matter what the Republican Party does — Free Republic needs to avoid getting blasted as a website full of bigots.

We already know that the New York Times and reporters for other major media read Free Republic. Absolutely the last thing we need is for an article to show up in the major media tying Gingrich (or Santorum) to a few wacked-out crazy commenters here on Free Republic, and then have Mitt Romney resurrect the ghost of John McCain by saying he represents the Republican Party of Abraham Lincoln, not the party of Bob Jones University — but substituting the term “Free Republic” for “Bob Jones University.”

Anybody who knows the internet knows wackos put up wild comments. Some are trolls deliberately trying to get the website in trouble; others are the sort of extremists who attach themselves to any movement. The question is what the management does with those comments when called to their attention.

110 posted on Sat Apr 07 2012 21:35:40 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Mr Rogers: “What did he write that bothers you?”

My primary problem is not with National Review or with Derbyshire, but rather with the characterization of Free Republic as a place where “really obvious racist stuff” goes up.

Yes, I've seen some racist and secessionist crap here. When I've seen it, I've jumped on it. I think I could probably find wild-eyed crazy stuff on any website that doesn't reflect the views of management — I don't blame Daily Kos or Huffington Post or places like that for their local loony leftists in the comment section until it becomes obvious the commenters are being backed by management — and that's why Free Republic needs to officially respond to make clear that we are not racists.

@ Flotsam_Jetsome: We're on the same page about public displays of affection, and not just in Asia. My Korean niece attends the largest of several Christian schools outside Fort Leonard Wood, which is run by an independent fundamental Baptist church. The school has a large minority contingent of blacks, Hispanics, and several different Asian groups. They require school uniforms and their rules on public displays of affection are stricter than Korean schools.

112 posted on Sat Apr 07 2012 21:38:09 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by reaganaut1: “Define ‘racism’. Is doubting that all races are equally intelligent on average ‘racist’?”

As Flotsam_Jetsome reminded us, every time we post there is a statement saying this: “Please: NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.”

I think it's important that Jim Robinson, not me, make the call on how to define “racism.” I have ideas but it's important that I defer to the site owners.

For now, the problem is what the Atlantic said about Free Republic with pictures of Obama with bones in his nose, not comparing racial performance on standardized tests.

124 posted on Sat Apr 07 2012 21:54:32 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by CharlesWayneCT: “BTW, in what has to be a hilarious joke, when the Atlantic article pretended to find such pictures at FR, they provided a link to the offensive picture. It was actually a link to Talking Points Memo, which is a left-wing site.”

Thank you!

Proving Atlantic doesn't have its own facts right is wonderful. Now let's go stick that into the Atlantic and see how they like it...

139 posted on 04/07/2012 8:20:39 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“But the problem is that neither a random white or a random black are likely to kill anybody.”

Correct. NO ONE of any race is ‘likely’ to be a murderer. But blacks ARE much more likely to murder whites than whites are to murder blacks.

“But I don’t believe you react to statistics by teaching a general distrust for an entire race of people.”

And Derbyshire pointed that out in his article:

“As with any population of such a size, there is great variation among blacks in every human trait (except, obviously, the trait of identifying oneself as black). They come fat, thin, tall, short, dumb, smart, introverted, extroverted, honest, crooked, athletic, sedentary, fastidious, sloppy, amiable, and obnoxious. There are black geniuses and black morons. There are black saints and black psychopaths.”

However, eliminating race as one of the criteria for suspicion is foolish. A black man in a suit doesn’t bother me. A 60 year old black man doesn’t bother me. 6 black men around 20 years old...that might well bother me.

A black friend in the military told me two of his brothers would kill me for being white if they got the chance. One had recently gotten out of prison for doing just that.

In southern Arizona, there are places where one can substitute ‘Mexican’ for black, with the same results. Arizona state is withholding funds from Tucson’s school district because they concluded the district was actively teaching racism and racial hatred in the public schools. That is why I carry if I go into west Tucson at night...

Below is an example of black on black violence. The attack was caused by ‘looking’:

“Pearson said the altercation started when a female accused her of “looking at her.” That female went outside but returned with a group of about 15 males and 5 females.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2869446/posts


140 posted on 04/07/2012 8:24:56 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: wardaddy

The Col. West who jumped the shark on Trayvon Martin case? The Herman Cain who went after Rick Perry over “Niggerhead Rock”? Those race baiting idiots?

I’m not supporting politicians like that, even if it means I’m a “racist”.

I hope your post doesn’t get pulled like 126. I guess the truth was too abusive.


141 posted on 04/07/2012 8:31:06 PM PDT by Third Person
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To: darrellmaurina; Mad Dawgg; kristinn; onyx; Jim Robinson; reaganaut1; Flotsam_Jetsome; ...

“My primary problem is not with National Review or with Derbyshire, but rather with the characterization of Free Republic as a place where “really obvious racist stuff” goes up.”

That happens ALL THE TIME. Liberals don’t care about the truth.

If JR posted a screed saying FR doesn’t tolerate racism, the liberals would just roll their eyes and say in a knowing tone of voice, “The more racist the site, the louder the denials. The dog that squeals the loudest is the one the rock hits!”

You are dealing with people who have NO respect for truth. They wouldn’t be liberals if they did...


142 posted on 04/07/2012 8:31:48 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: cartan
So this is what happens when someone takes Holder at his word and tries to initiate that honest debate on race. Of course, this isn't what Holder and the left mean by "honest"-they mean that whites haven't swallowed enough white guilt and turned their homes, cars and goods over to the "oppressed" blacks to do with as they will. They didn't mean that the truth regarding crime rates, IQ differences, foreward-thinking and impulse control should be brought into the discourse.

This is sickening. We have GOT to stop being scared of the "rayciss" accusation as it's no more than a means to keep the most objective facts regarding black dysfunction verboten. No one wants honesty, truth, the facts as they are-they want everlasting white guilt until whites lay down and die.

Guess what? The end of whites in this world will be your worst nightmare, and you have Detroit and Haiti, amongst many others, like the ghost of Christmas past present and future, to show it to you. Nothing could be more indicative of black vengeance to the point of their own self-destruction than to have these examples and still to want whites exterminated from the earth.

I have utter NFS, because when one race as a whole is responsible for the highest negative indicators but that truth must be suppressed, a civilised society can never survive. Just so sick that one man had the courage to have that honest talk, and look what he got. Though I suspect he knew this was coming. No one ever believed Holder wanted an honest two-way talk, just more white breast-beating as we offer up yet another sacrifice-our achievements, our society, the greatness of our civilisation and history, our cities and nations(how many cities have to be sacrificed as Detroit, Birmingham, more)---because they are eaten up with impotent rage that they can not produce these things.
143 posted on 04/07/2012 8:34:49 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Mr Rogers
"You are dealing with people who have NO respect for truth. They wouldn’t be liberals if they did..."

+1

144 posted on 04/07/2012 8:35:27 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: darrellmaurina
No you don't swing at a pitch in the dirt at any level of play. (Except of course cricket and that game is played by people who drive on the wrong side of the road and add unnecessary "U"s to words like colour and flavour)

There will be idiots who occasionally post racist stuff. Free Republic has a policy of removing such when it is reported or caught by the Mods. There is no need to defend Free Republic as being racist because they strive to remove such quickly.

So don't swing at a pitch in the dirt. (Unless you are one of those Limeys across the pond then I say swing away but I'm still never gonna understand about wickets and scoring. I'll just drink your ale and nod and smile as you carry on about it!)

145 posted on 04/07/2012 8:37:50 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: darrellmaurina

To a liberal, all conservative thought is racist. This is nothing new.


146 posted on 04/07/2012 8:38:09 PM PDT by Third Person
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“As satire or parody, his article was pretty good. If it was a serious article, it was rediculous, and there’s no way NR could keep him on staff. I don’t think it’s a loss for them, he wasn’t a serious conservative writer, and he did a lot of writing that was on the edge of decency.”

Are you saying it was ridiculous because he was running afoul of political correctness? Or are you saying it was riduculous because something he said was not true? If the latter, what did he say that wasn’t true?


147 posted on 04/07/2012 8:43:29 PM PDT by PAR
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To: cartan

Here is the letter I sent to them:

Dear Mr. Lowry and all,

Of course you are going to get about a million and two letters about firing Derbyshire and since you’ve disabled comments I’m sure you’re expecting them.

So, here’s mine.

I didn’t like the piece at all. The tone was dreadful. The advice, however sadly, is sound.

And you know that. You’re not going to let any of your kids go to any rap concerts or to black “greek” day or to 110th street at night, not if you can help it.

Mr. Lowry your two posts on this are craven.

As to the first, I doubt that everyone at NR disdains his advice to children, per what I said above, I’m pretty sure any parents there share his views and convey it to their children, although in far less snarky terms.

As to the second, Derb is not described as a “national review” writer on the Taki site. So NR is both full of itself and cowardly. We see another “conservative” site “jump” when told to by the MSM/Left. They are the enemy, but I guess you don’t get that. Even in your exalted position you don’t get what I got reading “Time” magazine in the barbershop 45 years ago. The Left hates America, it hates white people and yeah, it hates NR and it hates you, Rich Lowry. Nothing you do will ever appease them. You could go to Derb’s house and beat him to death with your bare hand tonight and it won’t be enough, just wait and see.

I’ve always been a conservative and if asked to define that further I would say I’m a “National Review conservative”.

But maybe I’m not anymore.

I was a little upset when you fired Anne Coulter, but I understood you all felt sandbagged about that piece.

But this is different. You didn’t publish this piece, all you really needed to say was “we didn’t publish it, it’s Derb’s and Taki’s, it’s got nothing to do with us.”

But no, in true farcical fashion the response is “Run Away!!!!’ coupled with “You’re Fired!”

We won’t beat the left with mettle like this.

I guess I’ll have to say I’m a Free Republic conservative from now on.

Thanks for your attention to my message,

[Jocon307]


148 posted on 04/07/2012 8:50:41 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: cartan

Except forMark Steyn, they have become geldings..


149 posted on 04/07/2012 8:52:47 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: madameguinot
I think they must have pulled it entirely.

It's here. It loads, but slowly. Their server isn't up to the sudden traffic. As of a couple of minutes ago, the article had attracted 1972 comments.

150 posted on 04/07/2012 8:55:40 PM PDT by cynwoody
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