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Parting Ways [National Review fires John Derbyshire!]
NRO ^ | 2012-04-07 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 04/07/2012 4:24:15 PM PDT by cartan

Anyone who has read Derb in our pages knows he’s a deeply literate, funny, and incisive writer. I direct anyone who doubts his talents to his delightful first novel, “Seeing Calvin Coolidge in a Dream, or any one of his “Straggler” columns in the books section of NR. Derb is also maddening, outrageous, cranky, and provocative. His latest provocation, in a webzine, lurches from the politically incorrect to the nasty and indefensible. We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise. So there has to be a parting of the ways. Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation. It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Just not in the pages of NR or NRO, or as someone associated with NR any longer.


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To: cartan

I could NEVER stand that metrosexual prick Lowry. I’m glad others are seeing him for what he is.


51 posted on 04/07/2012 5:26:11 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: onyx
This is “Breaking News”?

Yes. It is important and it just happened.

52 posted on 04/07/2012 5:26:58 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: kreitzer

Come to think I haven’t visited NRO hardly at all for the past couple of years. Mostly just to read the occasional Steyn column linked from Steynonline


53 posted on 04/07/2012 5:27:14 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: cartan

Derbyshire’s rules are really nothing but common sense. I was doing that 43 years ago when I lived in Little Rock, Arkansas, when the KKK was still a force. Now it is mandatory to follow those rules to keep safe.

I sent that web page to my brother-in-law who lives in the Memphis area. He has been following similar rules for his lifetime.


54 posted on 04/07/2012 5:29:09 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: GeronL

You’re referring to the excellent British writer Theodore Dalrymple. I think his latest book is”Life at the Bottom”.


55 posted on 04/07/2012 5:29:18 PM PDT by lainde
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To: Stormdog

I knew there was a problem at NR when the founder died and his son
(Christopher?) wrote an article that read like it belonged in The Nation.


56 posted on 04/07/2012 5:30:21 PM PDT by tumblindice (our new, happy lives)
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To: cartan; Jim Robinson; All
Hey, what's this crap? (from the article):

"Derbyshire doesn't do the really obvious racist stuff -- the stuff that goes up at FreeRepublic.com, for example -- like post photos Obama in stereotypical tribal garb with a bone through his nose. Instead, he talks about how his East African parentage means he might be suspect to some black voters, who are more likely to be of West African heritage."

WTH!?!?

It's not racism, it's SATIRE. The same principle we were told we had to accept and be tolerant of when (for example) George W. Bush was portrayed as a chimp, etc.

(Jim? thought you might want a ping to this)
57 posted on 04/07/2012 5:30:39 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: woofie

Apparently it was in Taki’s magazine -a webzine. I tried to access it directly from the website and was unable to. I think they must have pulled it entirely.


58 posted on 04/07/2012 5:31:47 PM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: woofie

The link to Derb’s piece in TakiMag is below.

The site has been hit with high traffic/D.O.S. attacks since the article was posted so it is hard to get through.

http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire#axzz1rJPlABLB


59 posted on 04/07/2012 5:32:29 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Tzar
The derby article was pointless.

Nonsense.

60 posted on 04/07/2012 5:33:57 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: cartan; doorgunner69
I meant It, of course…;-p
61 posted on 04/07/2012 5:34:32 PM PDT by cartan
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To: Sherman Logan
NRO seems to have disabled comments on Lowry’s two posts about Derb.

True, and that should tell you all you need to know about NR.

62 posted on 04/07/2012 5:35:29 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: cartan

http://johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Culture/rowdy.html

http://johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Culture/lovenotwar.html

http://johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Culture/page.html


63 posted on 04/07/2012 5:36:25 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: MuttTheHoople

The National Review now stands athwart history, yelling,”Please don’t hurt me. I promise to be a good little poodle.”

Great commentary, MuttThe Poodle.

If I ever meet you, I’ll buy you a coffee or iced tea - your choice.


64 posted on 04/07/2012 5:36:25 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: cartan
this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation.

One of the "outlandish" things in the column was advice to avoid black neighborhoods. Now there are far too many times when that is life-saving advice based upon fifty years or so of experience.

Take Cincinnati.. please!

Whites driving home by their usual routes through Avondale were dragged from cars beaten some killed and some left with permanent damage. That was in the 1960s and happened multiple years.

I left Cincinnati in 1970 but I know that there have been similar events there -- and in other cities -- in the years since the 1960s.

I hope Mr. Lowry and the rest have the courage of their convictions to freely drive through all areas of their cities throughout the coming months. Fat chance.

Obama been laudin' that martial law and I bet he and his sons got plans to stir up all kinds of turmoil (Van Jones warned of it too). So good advice. Careful where you are from now on. That of course is racist.

Blacks should be careful about white neighborhoods. That of course in not racist. Go figure.

65 posted on 04/07/2012 5:38:20 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: GeronL

” Sooner or later they will part ways with Mark Steyn because Steyn always writes truth too.”

Good.....then they can go bankrupt.


66 posted on 04/07/2012 5:39:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: tumblindice

“I knew there was a problem at NR when the founder died and his son (Christopher?) wrote an article that read like it belonged in The Nation.”

I guess that it’s kind of like Hollywood remakes of classic movies; CGI and digital magic replace the story. All fluff, no substance.


67 posted on 04/07/2012 5:40:31 PM PDT by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: GeronL
Derbyshire is a sociologist and a prison doctor from what I have read, he would know these things better than anyone, he sees it on a daily basis.

You are confusing John Derbyshire with Theodore Dalrymple.

68 posted on 04/07/2012 5:40:55 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Politics4US
I found the article to be written poorly. It was hard to understand.

My experience was completely different from yours.

69 posted on 04/07/2012 5:42:20 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Liberty Valance

Hell yeah~!!!! Just one of my favorite all time people!

Thanks so much for this photo!


70 posted on 04/07/2012 5:46:47 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: rogue yam

Alright


71 posted on 04/07/2012 5:46:58 PM PDT by Politics4US
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To: Mr Rogers
Thanks, good ones! I have been following his writing for over a decade. He is one of the best.

He is sick now. Pray that he gets well again…the world needs him.

72 posted on 04/07/2012 5:47:49 PM PDT by cartan
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To: cartan

I don’t see what the big deal is. You’d probably get banned for posting his piece or something similar of FR.


73 posted on 04/07/2012 5:48:23 PM PDT by Silver Sabre
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To: y6162; woofie

Here it is:

http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/print#disqus_thread


74 posted on 04/07/2012 5:48:40 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: cartan
the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. What a pompous ass. I've never read John Derbyshire in National Review, only at TakiMag. I didn't even KNOW he wrote for NR. Did I say what a pompous ass?
75 posted on 04/07/2012 5:48:40 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: heartwood
Fortunately your daughter is paying heed now. This poor tourist in Baltimore was beaten, robbed and stripped bear by black hoodlums for no reason while onlookers laughed. link I was shocked to read of the many recent black on white crimes linked by one of the commenters. Of course the 'reverends' are too busy hunting down Zimmerman to care.
76 posted on 04/07/2012 5:53:54 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Silver Sabre
Not quite.
77 posted on 04/07/2012 5:55:30 PM PDT by cartan
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To: NoLibZone

Rev let the cat out of the bag.

;-)


78 posted on 04/07/2012 5:57:02 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Political correctness is a mental disorder. Brain damage caused by repeated, violet head nodding.

And we wonder why “conservative” Republicans have nothing to say about anything...


79 posted on 04/07/2012 5:57:46 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: cartan
The bell curve has now been added to the taboo subject list, along with the Obama eligibility issue. Steyn will be next to be banned with his politically incorrect observations on demographics.

Another sickening capitulation from main stream "conservatives." NR, Fox, Breitbart are all falling in line nicely with the Regime's directives.

First they came for the mathematicians ...

80 posted on 04/07/2012 5:58:05 PM PDT by omniscient
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To: Silver Sabre
True.

I haven't seen anything like it at all on FR.

81 posted on 04/07/2012 5:58:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: GeronL

You are confusing him with Theodore Dalrymple. Derbyshire is a mathematician with a Chinese wife and Amerasian children.


82 posted on 04/07/2012 6:06:10 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: cartan

It’s been my observation that minorities will agitate for “equal treatment”, but once they gain parity ot get on top, the whole metric changed. Instead of saying “Hot damn, now we can move ahead”, they say “It’s Payback Time” and expend their energies getting revenge or abusing their newly-won advantages.

My first experience in this was in 1970s Canada when we went up there to see the Olympics and toured the country as well. All throughout Western Canada the stop signs had two lines: “Stop” and “Arret”. As soon as we got to Quebec, the signs said “Arret”, then “Stop” and almost everything was in French and NOT bilingual. Their canned goods were bilingual and all the French labels were turned toward the customer.

Similar in the New South. I had worked in South Carolina in the ‘60s and saw a lot of demeaning discrimination that bothered this Yankee to the point I was glad to leave the place. In the ‘80s, on my first contracting job, I was sent to Macon, GA and braced myself for more of the same. I was stunned at the change - the white media and political structure fairly GROVELED at the blacks feet. I worked there five years and noticed, once it was pointed out to me, how whenever a black gained a supervisory position, no white person was EVER hired again and gradually the offices would become mono-color. There was a lot of “I’m on top now” attitude and the whites toadied up to them at every turn. Another sigh of relief on leaving, but for different reasons.


83 posted on 04/07/2012 6:09:04 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: reaganaut1; melancholy
The FR thread on Derbyshire's Taki article is here .

Saw that. What? You didn't draw ozone for having the temerity to post the information?
/s

Thanks for both pings, melancholy.

84 posted on 04/07/2012 6:09:04 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: heartwood

Heartwood, you were wise to warn your daughter about some of the real but suppressed race issues out there.

Black on white violent crime is epidemic compared to the reverse. This is especially evident in forcible rape, sexual homicide and sexual homicide of elderly white women. Here are the hate ratios: Forcible rape,19 to 1, sexual homicide 49 to 1 and sexual homicide of an elderly woman, 100 to 0.

In fact 82 percent of all elderly white female victims of sexual homicide are raped and murdered by black men. There are many black serial killers that have targeted and murdered almost exclusively white women with Carl Eugene Watts, the most prolific serial killer in US history. thought to have murdered almost 100.

http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/01/serial-killer-murders-100-white-women.html

Black serial killer,John Floyd Thomas, who raped and murdered elderly white women in the LA area is thought by police to have 30 elderly white victims.

http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/01/black-thug-raped-and-murdered-30.html

Eldridge Cleaver. a leader of the black power movement in the 1960s and an admitted serial rapist of white women, wrote in his seminal book, Soul on Ice, that he was motivated by racist revenge to commit these crimes;

““Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women – and this point, I believe, was the most satisfying to me because I was very resentful over the historical fact of how the white man has used the black woman. I felt I was getting revenge.

I started out practicing on black girls in the ghetto where dark and vicious deeds appear not as aberrations or deviations from the norm, but as part of the sufficiency of the Evil of a day. When I considered myself smooth enough, I crossed the tracks and sought out white prey. I did this consciously, deliberately, willfully, methodically.”

Cleaver also spoke about a love/hate some black men have for white women:

Many whites flatter themselves with the idea that the Negro male’s lust and desire for the white dream girl is purely an esthetic attraction,but nothing could be further from the truth. His motivation is often of such a bloody, hateful, bitter, and malignant nature that whites would really be hard pressed to find it flattering.”

http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2011_11_01_archive.html


85 posted on 04/07/2012 6:14:18 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: cartan
From Derbyshire's article:

(10d) Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks.

(10e) If you are at some public event at which the number of blacks suddenly swells, leave as quickly as possible.

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

I won't be living my life according to any of these rules. I feel sorry for Derbyshire's kids if he's teaching them to live with such irrational fear that they refuse to help strangers in trouble because the strangers happen to be black.
86 posted on 04/07/2012 6:14:22 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Oatka

Interesting observations. Thanks for sharing!


87 posted on 04/07/2012 6:14:50 PM PDT by cartan
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I sure would want to have any investment in a life insurance company covering you!


88 posted on 04/07/2012 6:30:21 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

Too quick with the keys. Of course, add “not” to that sentence.


89 posted on 04/07/2012 6:31:06 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: struggle
National Review needs to go away and Breitbart needs his own mag.

Mr. Breitbart is unfortunately dead. Apparently this point is lost on you.

90 posted on 04/07/2012 6:38:39 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

“I didn’t know who John Derbyshire was until NRO did this. Now I’m glad to know who John Derbyshire is. I look forward to more ‘truth-telling’ from John Derbyshire.”

In that case, pick up his book:
“We Are Doomed - Reclaiming Conservative Pessimism”.

A great read, highly recommended to you and to anyone else reading this.


91 posted on 04/07/2012 6:42:57 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: cartan

Derbyshire isn’t a writer I’d feel comfortable defending, but on the other hand, his particular piece, while written provocatively, was an excellent parody of the recent “what black parents tell their children”.

It has been a vicious racist thing — smearing all whites with some collective guilt and perpetuating black hatred and entitlement, making black children both fear and loathe and hate and in many cases feel justified in physically attacking whites.

Derbyshire took selective statistics to show that white parents could much more rationally and justifiably warn their children about associations with blacks — and for that, he was fired.


92 posted on 04/07/2012 6:48:15 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cartan

I assumed he said something that wasn’t pro- Romney.


93 posted on 04/07/2012 6:48:47 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: Osage Orange

>>Mr. Breitbart is unfortunately dead. Apparently this point is lost on you.

He is, but all the people working for him aren’t.


94 posted on 04/07/2012 6:58:44 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: y6162
Hey look, FreeRepublic gets a "proud" mention in that one:

Derbyshire doesn't do the really obvious racist stuff -- the stuff that goes up at FreeRepublic.com, for example -- like post photos Obama in stereotypical tribal garb with a bone through his nose.
Hard to argue with that one.
95 posted on 04/07/2012 7:01:09 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: cartan

Screw you, NR. This is certainly separating the idiots and servile cowards from those who see the truth and have the guts to say it/write it.


96 posted on 04/07/2012 7:02:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Cicero

“I no longer visit them, because I don’t want to give them any hits.”

Same. I wonder how many others? I used to live for the arrival of NR in my mailbox. NRO was almost always the faintest imitation of the journal.


97 posted on 04/07/2012 7:03:11 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: GeronL

I think you are confusing Derbyshire with Theodore Dalrymple (former prison doctor.) Derbyshire is a very skilled mathematician.
Both are British.

P.S. Now labeled “racist” by NRO, Derybshire is married to a Chinese woman, the mother of his children. “Racist” is of course a selective term of abuse.


98 posted on 04/07/2012 7:05:59 PM PDT by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You obviously missed my #57 upthread.


99 posted on 04/07/2012 7:06:21 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: cartan

for later


100 posted on 04/07/2012 7:14:32 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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