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Parting Ways [National Review fires John Derbyshire!]
NRO ^ | 2012-04-07 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 04/07/2012 4:24:15 PM PDT by cartan

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To: achilles2000

“I suspect that the “black culture” manufactured by the sociopathic elements of the black community elevated to leadership by the media and liberals has caused black IQ to deteriorate.”

I’m not disagreeing with you, but you cannot let the Public Schools and the Teachers’ Unions off the hook for the disasterous state of the intellect and knowledge among black people today.

I can sometimes think it was all a part of a big, commie plot, to dumb down the American people, deprive them of any sense of civic virtue and then keep us all, black and white and all the rest, under the boot heel of government.

Or, maybe they are just stupid and greedy. I’m really not sure, but they are very much to blame, at least in part.


201 posted on 04/08/2012 8:34:59 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Mr Rogers
That happens ALL THE TIME. Liberals don’t care about the truth.

If JR posted a screed saying FR doesn’t tolerate racism, the liberals would just roll their eyes and say in a knowing tone of voice, “The more racist the site, the louder the denials. The dog that squeals the loudest is the one the rock hits!”

You are dealing with people who have NO respect for truth. They wouldn’t be liberals if they did...

Very good post. A pack of hyena's will get their prey to tire itself out by running away in the direction they want it to run and tire itself out, the prey will do their work for them. The RINO run "head the tall grass" instinct leads to the GOP carrying out the left's agenda.

202 posted on 04/08/2012 8:36:59 AM PDT by fallujah-nuker
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To: PAR

It was a mis-use of statistics to suggest a larger problem than really exists, in order to justify a wholesale treatment of a race of people differently because of the actions of a few.

It was the basic fallacy of the stereotype. So there was one incident in a theme park. Does that mean that you need to avoid ever going to a theme park anywhere if you find out there is a “minority” event at the park? That’s what Derb wrote, and it’s absurd — and frankly, it is a racist statement.

I think we are in a civil war in this country, because of race, but I don’t think we need to give into the war. We need to end the war.


203 posted on 04/08/2012 8:43:59 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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Late to the party, but after reading 200 replies I will say this. IMO, far too many on this thread, and on FR, are so naive about race relations in this nation that it can't be attributed to anything but willful ignorance or the lack of a will to survive.
When the Obama-Wright connection came out, the statements that they had “...set back race relations (pick a number) years” that appeared here on FR would irk me and I would tell those FReepers that they were naive. Today, I normally just shrug and move on. But after reading Derbyshire’s article the other day, I feel he should be commended for his (thankfully) un-PC, accurate and truthful words. I have lived my life by those words and I survived nearly 60 years of living in “the most diverse county in the US” and working, day and night, for almost 10 years in the streets, basements, backyards and rooftops of Harlem, el Barrio and Washington Heights as a middle aged white man of average build....often alone. Today I live in WV. Does the fact that this state has a 94+% white population have any bearing on my move here...youdamnbetcha. Does this make me a racist?....I don't know....and I care less.
I've survived and I will continue to survive until my Maker decides otherwise....but I will not jump in front of the speeding bus that passes for racial tolerance in this nation in order to find out His decision
204 posted on 04/08/2012 8:56:32 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: heartwood

The trophy-hunting, and the accusations of racism if they are not encouraged, are real, and you were wise to warn your daughter.

It is a simple fact that I have been harassed by black men quite a bit, and that they do so in a way that’s more....I don’t know, predatory?.....than white men. That’s thirty years of my experience, and it might be uncomfortable and un-PC, but there it is. A black guy sneered at me once, “What’s the matter? Don’t you like the black meat?”

I’m in my 40s and I still see it. Just the other day, I was doing some shopping in Kroger, and there were two young black guys in the front of the store, with the baggy pants down around their hips, and one of them was dancing, with no regard for the people who were trying to get around him. Of course no one had the nerve to speak up-—might seem racist. I needed to get past, so I said sharply, “Watch out!” and walked between them so they had to move. One of the guys muttered something, but all I could make out was “Hey baby, why don’t you-—”and then a security guard walked up and they moved on.

It’s a fact of life, and I’m not going to pretend it isn’t so that I can seem more tolerant.


205 posted on 04/08/2012 9:16:35 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: darrellmaurina

Congratulations!

You’ve earned your Politically Correct Merit Badge.


206 posted on 04/08/2012 9:21:33 AM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: cartan
Dogs/fleas. Serves him right for taking money from those weasels. That rag is more Stalinist than THE NATION.

They've hated him since he opposed the Iraq war. This is a way to silence him for good and ruin his career with a nasty smear. Like they did Joe Sobran.

By the way - he actually served in the military. He's not Rich and Jonah's type.

207 posted on 04/08/2012 9:38:40 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: jocon307

Well put, Sir!


208 posted on 04/08/2012 10:01:39 AM PDT by cartan
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To: heartwood
...my town - this upscale exurban high-achieving paradise that all the newcomers picked for its good schools - which is code for what most of them will never say aloud or even let themselves think.

Bingo.

209 posted on 04/08/2012 10:16:10 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: MARKUSPRIME

Bermuda used to be such a place.

But the murder rate increased by a factor of ten in the last decade, no idea why.


210 posted on 04/08/2012 10:26:25 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Derbyshire’s decades old anecdote about the theme park was silly; his tone was offensive in much of the essay.

But the sad truth is, we are often not talking about the actions of “a few.” When one third of Baltimore’s young black men are under the supervision of the criminal justice system, that is, awaiting trial, in jail, or on probation, and there are others who have never been caught or who have served their time, we are not talking about a few, a small fraction.

Granted that some of that number might be innocent and unfairly charged or convicted. Granted that some of that number might not have committed crimes against persons or property - just smoking marijuana perhaps - although that is such a small offense an over-worked criminal justice system tends to let it go.

It is not a small number, and Baltimore is not the only city with a similar fraction of young black men with criminal histories.


211 posted on 04/08/2012 10:34:30 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: don-o

#2 NR fires Derbyshire.


212 posted on 04/08/2012 10:43:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: jocon307

Yes, government education and the “teachers” unions have played a major role, but it isn’t limited to blacks. They are destroying everyone’s children. It is worse for black children because of the special pathologies of black culture.


213 posted on 04/08/2012 10:43:40 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: heartwood; CharlesWayneCT
Derbyshire’s decades old anecdote about the theme park was silly; his tone was offensive in much of the essay.

Which one of these is silly?

Beat Whitey Night

Stabbing at National Zoo During African American Family Day

Teen fights, especially among girls, force early closure of north Alabama water park

Police Shut Down Wave Country Due To Unruly Crowd

There are many others to choose from...

214 posted on 04/08/2012 10:54:45 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: CatherineofAragon

Take Derbyshire’s advice and find another store to shop in that doesn’t tolerate that kind of intimidating behavior and let the management of the store know the reason you’re leaving.


216 posted on 04/08/2012 11:04:10 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: cartan
We never would have published it, but the main reason that people noticed it is that it is by a National Review writer. Derb is effectively using our name to get more oxygen for views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise.

How deluded can you get? It's not 1978, Rich. Nobody takes NR seriously anymore. I read takimag all the time. I occasionally read NRO, usually to make fun of them. They've devolved into the print version of Sean Hannity.

221 posted on 04/08/2012 11:42:18 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: cartan

This is a very interesting blurb from Rich Lowry in the following way:

Here are the words in the Lowry blurb used to describe either Derbyshire, his work, or his views:

“deeply literate”
“funny”
“incisive”
“delightful”
“maddening”
“outrageous”
“cranky”
“provocative”
“nasty and indefensible”
“views with which we’d never associate ourselves otherwise”
“so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation”

Notice that in all of these descriptors, Rich Lowry himself has “danced around the line on these issues”.

Not one of the adjectives addresses the most important point that any journalist, including Rich Lowry, should be concerns with:

Was the article “true” or was it “false”?

Don’t expect Rich Lowry to have enough journalistic integrity and guts to address that issue.

Instead he wants to talk about whether or not it’s “outlandish”.


222 posted on 04/08/2012 12:07:07 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: Altura Ct.

As I said in another post, I attend theme parks dozens of times a year, throughout the country. I’ve been at theme parks in minority cities, during various special events, and I’ve never felt in any way threatened or otherwise in fear for my life. I would never suggest that it was necessary to stay away from such things (If you were buying a one-day ticket, I’d tell you to ignore a special event unless it was a concert, because of the extra crowds, but that’s another thing altogether).

The National Zoo incident didn’t actually occur IN the park, it was just outside the park. But you should know the National Zoo isn’t a “park”, it has no gate, you just walk in and come and go as you please (it’s free to the public). I’m a member of the zoo (in order to support the park, and I get free parking). I’ve never seen any indication of danger at the park, or even walking outside the park as I’ve occasionally done.

There are places I wouldn’t walk in the city.

There are of course occasional things that happen at a theme park, just like there are occasional things that happen everywhere. In college I worked for a defense contractor, and we had a small “riot” at a ball game because someone slid too hard into home. My involvement was to carefully grab a bat out of the hands of one team member who was about to hit someone over the head with it. But that didn’t mean I wouldn’t ever play softball again.

Which was my point. You can find examples of bad things happening, but that’s almost the opposite of showing that something bad is necessarily going to happen. We had a space shuttle blow up twice, but that didn’t mean we should never fly them. We had kids occasionally shoot up schools, but schools are safer than most places.


223 posted on 04/08/2012 12:57:44 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bcsco
The fact that Blacks compare unfavorably to Whites in some areas is in may instances due to the inhibitions placed on them by their adopted political party. Had they been given a proper opportunity to improve themselves...

At a certain point, people have to take responsibility for their own choices. They have churches. They have access to this message from a spiritual point of view, beyond politics. That more don't "hear" this message is a mystery to many.

224 posted on 04/08/2012 1:18:20 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: wardaddy

trumandogz, finally zotted? Awesome!


225 posted on 04/08/2012 1:23:00 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Lazamataz

I know a lot of innocent Asian women, and you sir are no innocent Asian woman.


226 posted on 04/08/2012 1:28:20 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: Sherman Logan
...many thousands of brilliant researchers trying desperately for at least five decades to find some way of measuring intelligence that will demonstrate the standard model [which is that there is no inherent difference between ethnic groups] to be true.... either all these researchers are unable to find the appropriate metric. Or it doesn’t exist.

Tsk. It's in the same drawer as the Gay Gene.

227 posted on 04/08/2012 1:40:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: y6162
From your link

"Derbyshire doesn't do the really obvious racist stuff -- the stuff that goes up at FreeRepublic.com, for example -- like post photos Obama in stereotypical tribal garb with a bone through his nose.

Freepers might want to keep the above in mind. Getting tagged as a racist site is bad news for all of us. Just saying.

228 posted on 04/08/2012 1:51:50 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Travis McGee
Yep, 8 years ago this thread would have disappeared in a minute.

Well, maybe we've reached critical mass of being fed up to here. The day of the last presidential inauguration, I was in a local retail store, and the blacks inside were whooping it up by catching the eye of whites and exulting, "No more slavery!"

As if! Living in a nice suburb, leather jackets, hair extensions, expensive sneakers, manicures, dental work, jewelry, watches, SUVs, etc., etc. They should only know what their own born-free grandparents experienced in the 40s. Spoiled brats.

229 posted on 04/08/2012 1:52:56 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: jpsb

“Freepers might want to keep the above in mind. Getting tagged as a racist site is bad news for all of us. Just saying. “

Nonsense. We’re going to be called racist no matter what.

NR is paralyzed by the threat.

Freepers should just shrug it off. The charge means nothing.


230 posted on 04/08/2012 2:03:22 PM PDT by y6162
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To: mac_truck

I don’t allow them to intimidate me, but you’re right. That’s just what I think I will do.


231 posted on 04/08/2012 2:06:30 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (I can haz Romney's defeat?)
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To: jocon307

“You can’t fight Nazis with a law book.” LT Barney Greenwald, “The Caine Mutiny”


232 posted on 04/08/2012 2:25:54 PM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: Tzar

Re: Education as a lurking variable

Possibly, but “home schooled” education rather than public education.

The children tested, as I recall, were all 5 or 6 years old, and entering public school for the first time.

I spent my earliest years on my mother’s or grandmother’s lap listening to them read - very little TV in those days.

I’m sure that helps.

But values and genetic heritage play a major role, too.

Going back three generations before me, every male in my family was a lawyer, a Lutheran minister, or a small business owner, and all very stable family men with no divorces.


233 posted on 04/08/2012 2:52:34 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: cartan
His latest provocation, in a webzine, lurches from the politically incorrect to the nasty and indefensible.

And 100 percent accurate.

Funny, Derb has been taking a lot of flak for this piece but I have yet to see anyone refute it.

234 posted on 04/08/2012 2:57:09 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Tzar
The derby article was pointless.

Not totally, but it did contain some sections which are needlessly inflammatory and/or inadvisable, such as paragraph 11 and sections of paragraph 10. For instance:

(10g) Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

In other words, be more sloppy about scrutinizing the character of a white politician? This is the same mistake which many black voters do (in reverse, of course), and it is absurd on its face, IMHO. My vote for Allen West, for example was not more or less likely simply because he is black.

(10h) Do not act the Good Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress, e.g., on the highway.

Obviously, one should always be aware of his or her surroundings and level of personal risk, but the above suggestion is downright unchristian, IMHO.

And paragraph 11, even if true, serves no constructive purpose that I can see.


Just as whites resent being broad-brushed as racist or prejudiced, similar presumptions about blacks, with respect to issues such as IQ, for example, I find to be both distasteful and counterproductive.

Rather than falling into the trap of governing our behavior towards others based on racial generalizations, I believe it will always be better to judge people individually, by the content of their character.

235 posted on 04/08/2012 3:58:52 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Drew68

The thing about political incorrectness is that it is 100% true and the thing about political correctness is that it is 100% wrong...


236 posted on 04/08/2012 4:08:57 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: heartwood

>> a third of the young black men are under the supervision of the criminal justice system <<

I think your numbers are way too low. Isn’t the correct figure for Baltimore about 60%?

(Counting those in prison, those on parole or probation, and those with outstanding arrest warrants.)


237 posted on 04/08/2012 4:29:10 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Tzar

Years ago, when I was young and stupid, my date and I were driving home from a party when we got sideswiped on the highway.

We pulled the car over and a group of friendly locals came up to the car and offered to give us a ride to the local service station. I considered their offer, but my date adamantly refused. She said, “I am not getting out of this car!”

Just then, a state trooper pulled up, and the friendly locals quickly ran back to their car and took off.

I’m probably alive today because my date had more street smarts than I did.

Sometimes, political correctness can be deadly.


238 posted on 04/08/2012 4:50:52 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: jpsb
Freepers might want to keep the above in mind. Getting tagged as a racist site is bad news for all of us. Just saying.


239 posted on 04/08/2012 5:15:23 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Albion Wilde

I don’t consider it a mystery. They don’t know or understand the Constitution. They’ve been held in an indentured position by the democrats for over a century (which perpetuates their constitutional ignorance). Churches and spiritual points of view are irrelevant to their political/moral decline. They’re still slaves, they simply don’t know it. Pardon my frankness, but it’s the truth. Now, fire me for what I say and I’ll join Derbyshire for a beer...


240 posted on 04/08/2012 5:17:28 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: cartan
John Derbyshire is about to hit 67, and is undergoing cancer treatment. He had indicated, via a third party on Steve Sailer's blog, that he would be grateful for any donations that fans and well-wishers can muster up via his website, which contains the archives of all the material he's ever done, including the transcripts of his acerbic and amusing weekly radio broadcasts.
241 posted on 04/08/2012 5:23:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The main focus was how we should deal with a society evolving that has less and less economic use for less-intelligent people. IOW, what are we going to do with these people?

Let them weed. Let them thin forests. Let them do riparian restoration projects. The land needs it badly. We need the land to be healthy. It's that simple.

242 posted on 04/08/2012 5:52:33 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Albion Wilde

Somewhere I read, from somebody who had spent years in the “real” third world, that if you flush your toilet with drinking water (like 99% of Americans) you are not really poor.

The truly poor in the third world would think that a housing project with running water, electricity and central air was a dream palace.


243 posted on 04/08/2012 6:11:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: cartan

RE: Reminds me of when they fired Ann Coulter shortly after 9/11

Evidently they were right to do so. Ann has shown herself to be a complete phony. Her whoring for Romney, a left-winger loathe to any conservative, makes her dead to me, as she is to most conservatives.


244 posted on 04/08/2012 6:45:55 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Cicero

Who owns NR now ?

Yale ?


245 posted on 04/08/2012 6:51:36 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

” How deluded can you get? It’s not 1978, Rich. Nobody takes NR seriously anymore. I read takimag all the time. I occasionally read NRO, usually to make fun of them. They’ve devolved into the print version of Sean Hannity.”

I started reading NR in 1968 at age 14. It was a great magazine back then....Brookiser, Muggerige, Kirk, and
the inimitable Bill. Those were the days.....LONG gone!


246 posted on 04/08/2012 6:57:30 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Sherman Logan

There are a large number of jobs that simply require integrity, a strong work ethic and a smile.


247 posted on 04/08/2012 7:00:58 PM PDT by DB
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To: cartan

Yawn.

Karl Keating called for firing Darby for his pro-abort views combined with agnosticism. That was time to fire him, not now for this unremarkable set of statistical observations.

The article reminded me that I need to do the Talk with my adolescent daughter, just in case she hadn’t figured it all out for herself already.


248 posted on 04/08/2012 7:14:14 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: cartan

“Derbyshire in 2003: I Am a Racist”

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2012/04/07/derbyshire-in-2003-i-am-a-racist/

People here are proud of him? Wow.

“Pat Buchanan Advertises His Book On Neo-Nazi Radio Show”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2008/07/nazi-sympathizer-pat-buchanan-pushes/

Those singing the praises of Derbyshire going to sing the praises of Buchanan too?


249 posted on 04/08/2012 8:24:14 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
Yes and yes. Men that have the courage to tell the truth in a country mad with Political Correctness and poisoned by the lies of Multiculturalism are to be cheered.
250 posted on 04/08/2012 8:36:56 PM PDT by CaptSkip
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