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NIALL FERGUSON: This Is The Study That Shows Why The US Economy Is Doomed
BI ^ | 04/05/12 | Rob Wile

Posted on 04/07/2012 7:05:08 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

http://www.businessinsider.com/study-company-us-2012-4

NIALL FERGUSON: This Is The Study That Shows Why The US Economy Is Doomed

Rob Wile | Apr. 5, 2012, 2:02 PM | 17,651 | 67

A Harvard Business School study that Niall Ferguson pointed us to today shows the U.S. has fallen severely behind in terms of international competitiveness.

The study, from January, found that for Harvard alums personally involved in a company relocation decision, 57 percent said the decision "involved the possibility of moving existing activities out of the U.S."

Meanwhile, only 9 percent considered moving existing activities from another country into the U.S. "A U.S.-based respondent was three times as likely to be considering moving business activity out of the U.S. than a non-U.S. respondent was likely to be considering moving an activity into the U.S," writes Professor Michael Porter, the study's author.

The most interesting table from the study plotted current versus expected American industry sector global success.

No, you're not missing something: The respondents expect a decline in competitiveness for all sectors.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


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KEYWORDS: competitiveness; depression; economy; eucrisis; niallferguson; recession; tax; uscrisis
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To: JediJones

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” — Author Unknown


51 posted on 04/08/2012 8:26:07 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: SatinDoll

>>Romney is a national socialist, a fascist; please explain how that is better?

Because a national socialist is someone who believes in his country and greatness of its people. Obama hates us, hates America, hates the US contribution to world history, and is also a communist, a racist, and a closet muslim.


52 posted on 04/08/2012 8:28:02 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: RayChuang88
Add to that the power of The Fed and their destructive polices over the last 100 years and you have it.
From my perspective The Fed is the single most destructive component in the mix. Totally unregulated and their policies have caused more harm than good.
Bernanke is the single worst Fed Chairman ever and engaged in acts that are way beyond the mandate of The Fed.
53 posted on 04/08/2012 8:30:56 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: redgolum

>>If there is a collapse, we won’t rebuild, we will fragment.

I agree. The only thing that holds the “salad bowl” of diversity together is gummint handouts and easy credit.


54 posted on 04/08/2012 8:31:28 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: U-238
Would you want to start a corporation or business with that amount of taxes?

Sure - one just doesn't want to show a profit. :)

55 posted on 04/08/2012 8:32:57 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: redgolum

“If there is a collapse, we won’t rebuild, we will fragment.”
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Then we will fragment. Saying “if” there is a collapse reminds me of the old story about the man who falls from 100 stories up and as he passes a window on floor number 50 says to someone who is looking out, “So far, so good.” I do believe the collapse is underway and there is no stopping it.


56 posted on 04/08/2012 8:33:13 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Every one should have a corporation.


57 posted on 04/08/2012 8:34:52 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” — Author Unknown


58 posted on 04/08/2012 8:45:34 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

With the health care communist landgrab at the hands of fiat money paid government workers, things are setting up to be that either we disobey or we become a basket case slave state run by government morons and government clueless and business blindness...


59 posted on 04/08/2012 8:46:36 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: unkus

The power of “Women” or “blacks” elected Obama... or, that is, this perception of manipulation of who needs whom and why etc... at the end of a barrel of gun.

America is becoming Maoist.


60 posted on 04/08/2012 8:48:58 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Big Giant Head

Add this to Facebook , if you like:


The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.” — Author Unknown


61 posted on 04/08/2012 8:49:23 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: JudgemAll

Communism is insidious and ever so evil.


62 posted on 04/08/2012 8:57:31 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus

THey always demand obedience while they riot and rape our lives “in the name of public disobedience and sexual freedom”.


63 posted on 04/08/2012 9:10:49 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

THey always demand obedience while they riot and rape our lives “in the name of public disobedience and sexual freedom”.


Yes, that’s a small part of it.


64 posted on 04/08/2012 9:12:35 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus

What they do apparently is modeled after Jersey Shores, which is where people have no weapons but keep threatening each other for little things and what not. Sartres called it “hell is the other”, as a sort of ideal thing.

PEople with guns do not lead “stupid little detailed” argumentative conversations, they go with the constitution and general peace. What is being bread is a bunch of crazies, and then weapons or government powers are handed to those crazies who bugger the nation out and call it “moderate” behavior.


65 posted on 04/08/2012 9:17:39 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: unkus

I think the key is to be just as argumentative stupid and berate them for sports, and if they really wish to bring in the guns, then it’s game time. But, in the meantime, it is mere “tribal broohaha”, all those stupid laws, unless lemmings start selling their guns for Mac meals.


66 posted on 04/08/2012 9:20:36 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

You’re right. It’s Social Engeneering.


67 posted on 04/08/2012 9:21:57 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I think this has something to do with it, too.

17 Facts About The Decline Of The U.S. Auto Industry That Are Almost Too Crazy To Believe

Even if you don't agree with all of the author's conclusions, there can be no doubt that the decline of the US auto industry has a lot to do with what's wrong now.

68 posted on 04/08/2012 9:24:23 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: JediJones
Perhaps the NUMBER ONE issue conservatives should be focused on is ending the government monopoly on the schools. 100% school choice needs to be the law of the land, so that religious schools could be freely chosen by everyone who wants to attend them.
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Thank goodness! Another conservative that “gets it” !

Government K-12 socialist-entitlement schooling is our nation's **most** serious and urgent threat. I doubt that our nation can survive one more generation of voters being indoctrinated in these souless pits of ignorance.

Government owned and run schools are godless! **ALL** of them! Children who attend **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must simply to cooperate in the classroom. How could it be otherwise?

Modern government owned and run schools are the very definition of a socialist entitlement. They have **always** been a socialist entitlement. Children who attend these schools risk learning that the voting mob that is powerful enough to give them tuition-free schooling is, indeed, powerful enough to give them **lots** of free stuff. ( Franklin D. Roosevelt wasn't an accident. He was the result of 1 to 3 generations of socialist-entitlement government schooling.)

Modern government schools are run like prisons. Every First Amendment Right of the child and parent and ( indirectly) the taxpayer is crushed. In other words, government schools are training our nation's children to be compliant prisoners of the state. If and when tyranny comes, the oligarchy will not use cattle cards. They will use yellow school buses to haul citizens off to the concentration camps, and citizens will placidly comply!

69 posted on 04/08/2012 9:30:55 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The CommiCrats running the US have created an utterly hostile tax and regulatory environment.


70 posted on 04/08/2012 9:32:30 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Noted.


71 posted on 04/08/2012 9:39:59 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I urge all Freepers to read this article. It is well worth the time.

I especially urge them to go to the link at the bottom of the article to review charts #9 and #10.

Here is a link to these charts. Please note K-12 education and availability of skilled workers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-1-thing-that-businesses-hate-about-the-us-economy-2012-4

72 posted on 04/08/2012 9:49:16 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: TennesseeProfessor

“..it’s not as dire as you conclude. If the US government stopped borrowing, all the money currently going to buy T-bills would go elsewhere, possibly including funding new startups, low-interest business loans, buying new bonds, ... all of which would grow our economy much more than government spending.”

I am not sure that’s a true truth, indeed, I tend to doubt it. I agree with you in an idealized “lab” environment, but I posit we are not in such. The gov’t cannot “stop” borrowing because it would run right over a cliff in scary short time. We would see dramatic forced reductions in entitlements that would almost certainly create civil unrest and I do not exaggerate. I’m talking 30-40-50%, “overnight”.

So, let’s ponder “slowing” borrowing. I think there’s reason to project that this would be a multiple-moving-part situation. Lots of demand (currently in form of synthetic, non-market-driven) buying of bills would disappear. Prices would fall, rates would rise. Some organic demand would come back to chase the higher yields, but I think this would place all of Barnankes’ purchases to date under water, meaning he would have to hold them to maturity or take losses on them. I can’t say what he would do, but we can conclude that he wouldn’t be buying Kagenloads of T-bills now today if he liked higher rates. No, he thinks lower rates and easy money are the answer to everything. So part of what this discussion is about is what the natural market would do, and part is what Bernank would do. If the USGuv *stopped* borrowing (by buying T-bills) then the price of those bills would almost certainly rise. Then those bills would become lots more attractive to investors (which is why I disagree with the idea that investment money would begin to flow into productive startups, etc;)

But that would mean the larger economy would crater. I mean just imagine if mort rates went back to 6-7-8% like they’ve been probably for most of your life and my life. Housing would implode, and the costs of refinancing existing US debt would sky. This is the box Bernanke is in.


73 posted on 04/08/2012 9:55:14 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (The only economic certainty: When it all blows up, Krugman will say we didn't spend enough.)
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To: Bryanw92
Romney is a national socialist, a fascist; please explain how that is better?

The Romneys donated about 16.4 percent of their adjusted gross income of $42.5 million in the two-year period, according to their 2010 tax returns and an estimate for 2011 taxes. Would a socialist give to charity and church like this?

Doubt it.

74 posted on 04/08/2012 10:52:38 AM PDT by alrea ("When justices veto legislative acts based on personal policy preferences, that's tyranny." M. Levin)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
The short term effects would be worse than that. The contraction would be more like 50%.
We are borrowing .53 cents of every dollar spent.
To put things in immediate balance would require across the board spending cut us of at least 50% or more and no more debt.
That in itself will mean massive reductions in Social Security and Medicare benefits and the Baby Boomers heading into retirement get nothing.
75 posted on 04/08/2012 11:37:42 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: alrea

I didn’t call him a national socialist. I was just quoting another post. I was pointing out that a national socialist is preferable to an america-hating communist like Obama. I’m no a Romney fan, but this “Romney is the same as Obama” hysteria on FR is ridiculous. Obama represents the end of the US as we know it and his speeches and writings prove his intent, so anyone is better than him.

But, in answer to your question: yes, I think that a socialist with a strong sense of the “social gospel” would give 15% of his income to charity, especially his church. I know several very liberal Methodists who give freely to charity and directly to the poor and they far exceed any 10% tithe. A devout Mormon who gives 16% would not surprise me at all, regardless of his politics.


76 posted on 04/08/2012 11:42:03 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Bryanw92

George Soros has said that there is no difference between BHO2 and Romney.

One is a communist (Marxist-Leninist) and the other a fascist (national socialist). Both believe government is God and neither has any respect for the U.S.Constitution.

Neither gives a damn about the rights of individuals. The common man, or woman, on the street is just a “unit” to be taxed or obliterated, it matters not to them.

The last thing that either man wants is for Americans with Bibles and guns asserting their God-given rights and demanding that Washington, D.C., changes how it does business.

Obama is an atheist. He is only a Muslim or Christian when politically expedient. What he has done in North Africa is to destroy the westernized economies of those nations and set them back three hundred years. Those people will be starving during the next two to three years, resulting in plagues and massive upheaval, the perfect political scenario for imposing Marxism. Obama is evil, on that we both agree.

Romney and Wall Street are Globalists who care not a wit for American values. First and foremost, they see themselves as world citizens, responsible for maintaining peace and security world-wide through commerce. The role U.S. military plays is to maintain that global presence, project American military might, and provide security for international business under the guise of “U.S. national interests”.

Unfortunately, that military is paid for by tax revenue and staffed by the sons and daughters of people who no longer have jobs, as those have all been moved offshore by the above mentioned “world citizens” who want only money.

This election in 2012 is all about money, power, and who will eventually wield both here at home and internationally.

Gov.Mitt Romney is the candidate for the elitist Republicans who are, in essense, supporters of Globalism.
Wall Street’s business model is international in scope and must have security overseas in order for commerce to thrive. In an attempt to dominate international commerce AND the monetary structure, the U.S.A. must project military strength world wide. This has been neither conservative nor liberal in the past, both Democrats and Republicans have been involved over the decades, and our Congress quietly went along. Then Obama arrived on the scene when Democrats saw an opportunity to control all aspects of the U.S.government.

Obama is a Marxist. He’s all about Global Social Justice (communism) which means redistributing wealth and destroying the United States.

The choice we’re facing is quick and brutal destruction by Obama, or slow, sure destruction via by Romney.

It is easier to overhtrow the elitists in the Republican Party and Conservatives take the Party back from the fascists. That is the path we should take.

I doubt another opportunity will arise in the next two decades.


77 posted on 04/08/2012 12:33:02 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: SatinDoll

>>The choice we’re facing is quick and brutal destruction by Obama, or slow, sure destruction via by Romney.

The problem is more complicated. Technology has broken capitalism. I am an automation engineer. I put people out of work. I can take a process that used to require a dozen skilled or semi-skilled humans and reduce it to one or two barely literate machine operators who just monitor the machinery. How can you have a free market economy where human labor is cheapened like that?

Obama and Romney are both in favor of this because to the former, that means that people have to go on the dole to survive and to the latter, that means profits for the rich and nothing more for the dwindling working class than just enough money to survive. But, most people on FR are also in favor of this because they believe that all profits are for the shareholders. If we truly had a free market, I would make $300k+ a year or more because I replace 100 workers. But, the shareholder class has decided that even though I replace 100 workers, I am still just a worker and deserve a worker’s wage.

>>Neither gives a damn about the rights of individuals. The common man, or woman, on the street is just a “unit” to be taxed or obliterated, it matters not to them.

You say “taxed or obliterated”. I say that Obama wants us controlled via “subsidies” if we are poor or taxed harshly if we are rich. Romney wants us to serve our employers, if we have one, but only as temporary labor so that we can be retasked continuously to send massive profits to the top while the worker toils endlessly with no security other than the hope of a new boss tomorrow.

So, to me the economics of Romney vs Obama are moot. The only thing that matters is that Romney does not hate me for my skin color or religion or nationality, but Obama hates me for all three.


78 posted on 04/08/2012 1:14:31 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: RipSawyer

I think that is a possibility, but also realize the other side of the coin. We continue down the slope to a police state.

In the end, democracies always do.


79 posted on 04/08/2012 5:31:26 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Bryanw92

Hate to say it, but you are right. To an extent.


80 posted on 04/08/2012 5:33:26 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Bryanw92

I’m not ignoring your post but I have to think about what you’ve said, and will send you a private reply.

Romney’s “Progressive” record as Governor of Massachusetts includes the following:

1. Implemented/created Gay Marriage in MA
2. Supported and forced Gay Adoption in MA
3. Supported Abortion wholeheartedly
4. Raised taxes/fees over 300% while being Governor of MA
5. Implemented a state-level Cap and Trade system.
6. Supported Man-Made Global Warming
7. Supported the Brady Bill
8. Implemented a state level “Assault” Weapons Bill after the Federal AWB was allowed to expire
9. Supported TARP
10. Supported Amnesty for Illegal Aliens (Citizenship for those already here)
11. Supported McCain-Kennedy(Amenesty)
12. Implemented a socialized medicine in MA called RomneyCare complete with an Individual Mandate and $50 abortions
13. Nominated 27 Democrats (out of 36 nominations) for judgeships in MA, many of them extreme left-wingers

Do you see number 13 above? That is reason alone to reject Romney for a true Conservative.


81 posted on 04/08/2012 5:52:26 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: redgolum

I think we pretty well have the police state part wrapped up already.


82 posted on 04/08/2012 6:42:01 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: SatinDoll

>>Do you see number 13 above? That is reason alone to reject Romney for a true Conservative.

I never said he was a true conservative (or even a conservative). I just think that in this election, he is better than Obama by an order of magnitude (Obama would implement everything on that list for all 50 states. Romney only did it in Mass, an uber-leftist state where even the conservatives are pinkos!)


83 posted on 04/08/2012 7:56:59 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: chargers fan
"Good luck with your project mayhem there."

It's not my default. The socialist political/regulator class will get all of the credit for it.


84 posted on 04/08/2012 7:59:02 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: redgolum
"Argentina went from one of the richest nations to what it is today. The “collapse’ comes quick, rebuilding can take hundreds of years. If ever."

Too bad that we didn't enforce the Monroe Doctrine. Some cultures build and rebuild faster than others.

"If there is a collapse, we won’t rebuild, we will fragment."

If we've become so Balkan in nature, that would be rough for those who currently depend on debt for their incomes directly or indirectly from government. There will be a collapse, BTW, unless favored constituents and their politicians are transformed overnight from being covetous spendthrifts.


85 posted on 04/08/2012 8:31:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: LomanBill

Thank you.


86 posted on 04/08/2012 8:32:22 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

China makes everything. We buy China stuff with borrowed money. That is our consumer economy.

How is that “free trade” working out for you?

Show this to all the “free traders”: “company relocation decision, 57 percent said the decision “involved the possibility of moving existing activities out of the U.S.”

A Harvard Business School study that Niall Ferguson pointed us to today shows the U.S. has fallen severely behind in terms of international competitiveness.

The study, from January, found that for Harvard alums personally involved in a company relocation decision, 57 percent said the decision “involved the possibility of moving existing activities out of the U.S.”


87 posted on 04/09/2012 6:06:10 AM PDT by rurgan (Make all laws have an expiration date of 3 years. too many laws is the problem)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Bernanke is the single worst Fed Chairman ever

Surely that honor goes to Greenspan who enabled this whole mess in the first place. Bernanke is just following in the master's track.

88 posted on 04/09/2012 6:37:48 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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