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We support a right to bear arms, but you donít have to show them off in plain sight(OK)
enidnews.com ^ | 5 April, 2012 | NA

Posted on 04/07/2012 10:55:20 PM PDT by marktwain

We fully support the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms. However, the possible expansion of Oklahoma’s open carry laws for handguns is off target.

What’s the status of the legislation? The House of Representatives recently approved a bill to allow anyone who has completed conceal and carry qualifications to be able to openly carry weapons.

Then the bill was sent to the Senate, where an amendment that may eliminate the requirement for a conceal and carry license was added. However, state Sen. Patrick Anderson, R-Enid, believes a bill that allows only those with the conceal and carry license to openly carry weapons will be approved by the Senate.

State Rep. John Enns, R-Enid, said his biggest fear “is that a few guys will walk into a Starbucks and freak out a bunch of people.” Good point, representative. Do you really need to be dangling a firearm on your hip when you order an iced single venti mocha, no whip? We also agree with Enid Police Chief Brian O’Rourke that weapon security is a safety concern.

We asked readers their thoughts on the proposal at EnidNews.com. In our unscientific poll, a whopping 62 percent agreed with openly carrying handguns in public. In contrast, 20 percent said such a law would lead to more gun violence. And 18 percent said if they wanted to see guns in holsters, they’d watch a Simpsons movie. (To quote the famous commercials from the 1980s, “T’ain’t likely!”)

We appreciate your online votes, but we respectfully disagree with the majority. Most Oklahomans are pro-gun, but this isn’t the Wild West. At the risk of dodging bullets, we don’t think everyone should be walking around like Quick Draw McGraw with their guns in holsters.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; ok; opencarry
Sort of like "We support the free exercise of religion, just do not pray in public."
1 posted on 04/07/2012 10:55:36 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Exactly!


2 posted on 04/07/2012 11:02:07 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: marktwain

Apparently they think they are smarter than 62% of the public and don’t really need to represent them anyway.


3 posted on 04/07/2012 11:25:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SatinDoll

But I want to see liberals throw a hissy fit so yeah, I wanna see guns out in the open.


4 posted on 04/07/2012 11:53:55 PM PDT by max americana
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To: marktwain

Placating the paranoid; a typical milk-toast issue.

I have no problem with this providing it’s unenforceable.


5 posted on 04/07/2012 11:55:41 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: marktwain

Thank you no.
The Sioux Fall Argus leader published my name as a concealed weapons permit holder. O gee thank you.
I will keep my weapon concealed. Out of sight, out of mind


6 posted on 04/08/2012 12:15:15 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: marktwain

John Enns is my representative and is usually very pro gun. I guess I need to go visit him.


7 posted on 04/08/2012 12:49:32 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: marktwain
It's funny how polite people get when your walking around with a loaded rifle in your hands, with a pistol on your hip, a few grenades hanging off of you, a couple of ammo bandoleers wearing a flack vest and tin pot on your head. Nobody tries to steal from you or say bad things to you or about you within earshot that is.
8 posted on 04/08/2012 12:50:18 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: marktwain
I support the Second Amendment, but do not myself own a firearm.

Yet, when in public, I would feel more at ease if it were plainly visible who was armed.

I don't understand the logic of requiring those bearing arms to conceal them.

Rather, it should be prohibited to conceal a firearm one is carrying.

Regards,

9 posted on 04/08/2012 12:56:57 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: marktwain

Idaho and Colorado are both open carry states, and I’ve never noticed any “wild west” type gun slinging.


10 posted on 04/08/2012 2:07:50 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: marktwain

Do you really need ...

That is a phrase that pops up in liberal writing frequently. It’s not the bill of needs, folks, it’s the “Bill of Rights”


11 posted on 04/08/2012 3:38:08 AM PDT by Figment
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To: dsc
Tennessee is also open carry but most of us carry concealed. I would carry concealed but it's kind of hard to conceal my .40 cal. I open carry when I ride my bicycle but if I'm driving it's on the seat for easy access or out of site between the seats.

When I open the snap the holster leans to let me access the gun.


12 posted on 04/08/2012 3:41:10 AM PDT by Melinda in TN (My goal in life is to be the person my dog thinks I am.)
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To: South Dakota

I will keep my weapon concealed. Out of sight, out of mind

As will I. That is my choice and we should be able to choose. If someone else wants to open carry, go for it.


13 posted on 04/08/2012 3:41:39 AM PDT by Figment
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To: Figment
That is my choice and we should be able to choose.

I find it most puzzling that many of those who oppose open carry becoming law are quite often those who are the most vociferous as "pro-choicers" on the woman's "right to choose" to kill her pre-born baby. I don't ascribe this view to you, Figment, but merely an observation on the world. I do, however, suspect this view may apply to the Enid newspaper, the source of this nonsense in the OP.

The source also falls prey to the language of the Brady Bunch with the "Wild West" and "Quick Draw McGraw" usages in the editorial. While that exposes their inability to think for themselves, it also allows me to laugh when they wish to be described as "independent journalists". About the only things they are independent of are reason and logic.

As an Oklahoman, I really have hard time understanding why OK law cannot be aligned to allow open carry as is in the law of over 40 other states.

14 posted on 04/08/2012 4:11:53 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Figment
The problem with requiring a gun to be concealed is that it can cut way down on options, especially down South in the Summer. My pocket piece (Kahr P380) is small enough, but is also not a confidence inducer (if you've ever fired one of the auto pocket pieces, you know what I mean). Even as small as it is, I have to leave the pocket holster behind for most of my short pants because, when in the pointed down postition, the back of the butt shows with the slightest motion, so i have to put it slide-down with the butt facing forward to keep it concealed. The, the outline pretty much gives it away - I've had folks in Wal-Mart and convenience stores give me a funny look, but so far my wife is the only one to use the "is that a gun in your pocket or are you happy to see me". I found out the proper response is, "both".

At any rate, it would be a convenience to be able to carry openly - plus, it would allow you to scope out potential back up. I suppose the flip side is that LEOs would have a field day checking up on folks to ensure those who had the Right taken away don't carry openly too in order to fit in on the way to the illegal withdrawals...

15 posted on 04/08/2012 4:19:49 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Figment

That is my choice and we should be able to choose. If someone else wants to open carry, go for it.

In Illinois we don’t have the right to do either. We are the only backward state in the union.

However, don’t break into my house at night - it will be the last house you ever break into.


16 posted on 04/08/2012 6:43:27 AM PDT by chainsaw (Sarah Palin is still my first choice to save the USA. . .)
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To: T-Bird45

When I was posting, I was hoping no one would confuse that phrase with the pro abortion crowds use of it.


17 posted on 04/08/2012 10:51:10 AM PDT by Figment
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To: marktwain
I like the open carry and don't think anything about seeing someone with a gun - I have asked them what they have and admired it and asked about the holster ect. Most people are very nice about answering me Once in a while I get a person who thinks I am asking them to pick a fight about the 2nd amendment. I have respect and admiration for those that stand up for our rights and act as ambassadors for the 2nd amendment. Soon I hope to join them - just need to get the right holster.
18 posted on 04/08/2012 3:47:44 PM PDT by Tubac414 (Just want to ride my Motorcycle)
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To: alexander_busek

>I support the Second Amendment, but do not myself own a firearm.
>Yet, when in public, I would feel more at ease if it were plainly visible who was armed.
>I don’t understand the logic of requiring those bearing arms to conceal them.
>Rather, it should be prohibited to conceal a firearm one is carrying.

That’s exactly what NM’s Constitution says:
Art II, Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]

No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and November 2, 1986.)


19 posted on 04/09/2012 5:21:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain
Sort of like "We support the free exercise of religion, just do not pray in public."

Or *It's okay for Negroes to reside within the city limits, so long as they stay off the streets.*

20 posted on 04/09/2012 5:46:41 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: trebb

Absolutely you should be able to carry openly. I simply choose not to. Someone brought up the point of LE having to check everyone they encounter who open carries. That is a good point. Just because someone open carries doesn’t mean they are legal to carry at all. It presents some obstacles


21 posted on 04/12/2012 5:45:03 PM PDT by Figment
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