Skip to comments.Would a Romney-Gingrich ticket be acceptable to Jim Robinson & other conservative Freepers? [NO!! ]
Posted on 04/09/2012 8:06:05 AM PDT by mitchell001
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Things are going to get very interesting around here when/if Mitt gets the nod, however the substantial female has yet to yodel.
I see a 3rd party groundswell very possible, led by someone very powerfully conservative.
If the GOP nominates Mitt it needs to die a swift death.
Thanks for posting this analysis,very enlightening.Of course many won’t listen.
The election of 1852 marked the beginning of the end for the Whigs. The deaths of Henry Clay and Daniel Webster that year severely weakened the party. The Compromise of 1850 fractured the Whigs along pro- and anti-slavery lines, with the anti-slavery faction having enough power to deny Fillmore the party's nomination in 1852. The Whig Party's 1852 convention in New York City saw the historic meeting between Alvan E. Bovay and The New York Tribune's Horace Greeley, a meeting which led to correspondence between the men as the early Republican Party meetings in 1854 began to take place. Attempting to repeat their earlier successes, the Whigs nominated popular General Winfield Scott, who lost decisively to the Democrats' Franklin Pierce. The Democrats won the election by a large margin: Pierce won 27 of the 31 states including Scott's home state of Virginia. Whig Representative Lewis D. Campbell of Ohio was particularly distraught by the defeat, exclaiming, "We are slain. The party is deaddeaddead!" Increasingly politicians realized that the party was a loser. Abraham Lincoln, its Illinois leader, for example, ceased his Whig activities and attended to his law business.Will history repeat itself in 2012?
FUMR and the RINOs you rode in on!!
“Will history repeat itself in 2012?”
There only difference between the Republican Party and the Democrat Party is the $$$ price tag.
Whatever new conservative party that rises from the ashes of the Republican party had better make sure they keep all the RINOs out. The Romneys, McConnells and weepers can butt out!
In it's wildest dream (or our nightmare) the RNC - despite it's heavy-handedness and clumsiness; could not come close to matching the evil that so defines the Obama-Holder policical machine. OMG. . .not even close; on RNC's best day.
Nor; and most importantly; are any Repubs - RINO's or otherwise - competing against Obama/Holder; for the distinction of remaking America is such a heinous image as what these radicals are attempting per their 'refashioning' the face of America.
That is why the DNC and MSM both want Romney. The Dems can attack him on homosexuality, while the religious right can attack him for being Mormon.
This is also the idiocy of the GOP leadership. They pushed Romney as the most electable candidate, when in reality is fairly unelectable with strong opposition from both sides. He should still win the presidency due to the economy, but it will be much closer than if the idiotic country club GOP leadership didn’t select Romney.
But yes, should conservatives repeat what happend with John McCain, and not come out to vote or vote 3rd party, then yes we get another 4 years of Obama.
I guarantee that a 2nd Obama administration will be FAR more permanently damaging to the structure of American law and society than anything he did in the first term (except Obamacare, which is catastrophic for us).
The old joke is that the Democrats propose to tear down the Washington Monument, and the Republicans respond with a workable plan to do it in three stages.
It’s amazing how often these days that joke fits what we’re seeing.
That could be our only & last hope. We need to unite on choosing PALIN/WEST or PALIN/A REAL CONSERVATIVE.
Taking back the GOP is a hopeless cause. Too many states keep voting in the old dogs & they keep poisoning the well. We need to start from scratch with a new party & kill the present GOP that keeps enslaving us.They are clamping down on the newly elected Tea Party members & the whole bunch of them have to be thrown out.. but since they keep getting voted back in - a new party is our only choice, as I see it.
2012 is the time to start - so we need a real discussion on how we are going to do this. Maybe it needs a special thread instead of hashing over the candidates running now.
We can't forgot that Ron Paul has delegates that he will throw to Romney in order to get his son in on the act.
SO!! who is our idea man to get this started? We don't have any time to waste!!!!
I can think of something far more damaging: A conservative movement that has become so bereft of principle that it will support the most liberal governor in history, Mitt Romney. Now THAT is dangerous!
and Lindsay Graham!
Agreed. At first they will be disdainful, then the ones who have not openly shifted to the Democrats will want in. Just as the voodoo Republicans slithered into the Reagan administration when it was ascendant.
U left out possible CW II
I don't disagree that a 2nd term of Zero would be destructive. I just want to add that RINOmney at the helm of the Republican Party would be damaging as well.
Some of the following is borrowed from FReepers who posted thoughts. I took them to write out my own thoughts. I apologize to them that I didn't save their names to credit them here:
This quote by Hamilton says where I've come down after a lot of soul searching ...
If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.
It is a terrible situation for the Republicans to find themselves in this year. Unfortunately, some of them in the primaries just listen to what candidates say and not look at what they've done when in office.
I intend to vote for conservatives, as always, wherever I find them. Willard is not one of them.
My contention is that if the GOP holds the Oval Office and at least one body of Congress, we will be in a much better position to fight the elite and the Country Club network.
I would rather not take five steps back for one step forward.
Just my opinion FWIW. (not much)
Without a conservative at the top of the ticket.....there’s nothing left in 2016 for Jebby anyway. The Union will not survive the ongoing raping . You’d think they’d have figured that out by now.
What were the results: Clinton then Obama. Do you see a pattern?
Remember when we all thought it couldn't get worse than Clinton?
Well, if we vote for Mitt, IT WILL GET WORST THAN OBAMA. The next Obama has already been picked by Soros and friends.
Take a stand now while you still have a vote. No Mitt. No more retreat!
That would be nice, except the GOP IS the elite and Country Club network. They believe in controlling the masses (us) with big government.
Indeed. .No question; when Repubs have a choice; they too often reinforce Dem ignorance; rather than counter it. But no question too; that while Dems are 'Masters' of black political arts'; Repubs remain, lowly apprentices.
Of course; their 'core political beliefs' are not sourced from same; and not on same abhorrent level as those of Left; no matter how often they agree; or imagine, they must pretend to. IMHO. . .
Gingrich would lick between Romney's toes to be on the ticket.
Ya think? You may be right; just don't know. What I do know; is that it would allow me, to go into voting booth; with some confidence; that as of right now; am not feeling; and because of the abomination we know as RNC; do not expect to feel. Think, no question; we would have our greatest chance of winning; if they did put Newt up there with Romney.
But no; think RNC is not bold enough; brave enough;and worse; they clearly, do not believe 'their' voters are smart enough; to appreciate Newt on ballot.
I'm pretty much sold that no matter who gets to Washington now it will remain a Mafia squad that looks out for it's own and simply uses the American tax dollars to manipulate their positions favorable to themsleves and their own personal monetary securities.
The World is ramping up for an entity to govern over the entire....all politicians now are geared for positioning themsleves in the best position they can with this in mind.
While we're going thru our elections, the world nation leaders are being shifted as well....and some more aggressive than others attempting to retain their power.
So ultimately it's all about the Global agenda....Geitner, Clinton etc. have been lining our monetary resources for just that under this administration....along with China holding their feet on our necks.
So no, I do not see anybody holding anyones feet to any fire about what the people want. That's long gone now.
But I agree with you that Romney and the GOP elite will never go for it. Too bold.
They will take some other moderate northeastern hump to balance the ticket. The balance they're looking for is ideological parity with Obama/Biden.
God forbid they rock the boat of this nation, since everything is going so well.
We're sailing right at the iceberg. Stay the course, jackasses.
The candidates nominate themselves... and we, the card-carrying GOP members vote for them in the primaries.
We all need to look in the mirror for this fiasco. There is no friggin’ conspiracy about it. Sure the GOP elite love Romney, but they ain’t the sum total of the primary voters.
Too many ‘conservatives’ were looking for the second coming of Jesus for their candidate (ie: were looking for the perfect candidate) but couldn’t find one. So they flitted from one candidate to another like bees looking for pollen.
Face it, the GOP primary voters were too d@#n fickle this time; and now, instead of settling for half a loaf in an imperfect candidate (Bachmann, Perry, Cain, Newt)... we have to choose between Rick “I’m running for Pope!” Santorum or Mitt “Obama” Romney.
Some friggin’ choice.
(And based on the results, it looks like the average Republican primary voter really isn’t sold on the idea of Pope Santorum. A good 20-40% are, depending on the state... but not a majority.
And the same goes for Mitt ‘Obama’ Romney.
In other words, now that the party’s over, the GOP voter is looking at the mess they created and crying bitter tears.
Any ticket that has Romney on it is unacceptable to me. Also, I would deeply disappointed in Gingrich, Santorum, or any other that have called themselves “conservative” IF the sellout like that.
A conservative running mate does not make Romney acceptable. It just wrecks the credibility of the “running mate.” Anyone that accepts such a place on a Romney ticket will, IMO, have disqualified themselves for any serious future chance in a run for POTUS.
I think there’s a lot of frustration being vented on this forum right now.
I am sincerely hoping people cool down by the convention, because some of this is just plain destructive.
We’re truly at the point where our nation could be lost and vanish, a mere historical footnote.
Every trend is negative right now.
You are on the money. That is clearly what they want. I just think they are wrong. People either elect or reject conservatives. But at least true conservative candidates give conservatives a reason to vote for them.
When we run Democrat light, the conservatives don’t come out and the Democrats vote for Democrat heavy anyway.
I think the GOP leadership is delusional.
I won’t vote for rinos ever again.
Your view is pretty common here at Free Republic. I am in the camp that a 2nd Obama term will be far more dangerous than a Romney presidency. Some here have said that another Obama term with a hostile Republican congress is better than a Romney presidency with a Republican congress to give him what he wants.
I can see some validity to that point, but either way, Obama is going to get 2 of his deep communist SCOTUS nominees through our panzy Senate. A GOP Senate would reject his 1st nominees, then feel compelled not to reject the next ones.
I would feel a lot better with a mild leftist like Romney selecting SCOTUS nominees, than a radical communist Muslim doing so. What happens when he wants to put the first Muslim on the bench? He will scream “racism” if the GOP Senate so much as hints they will block his nominee.
I can about guarantee that a Muslim will be nominated in a 2nd Obama term. I hope you like Sharia law.
Oh rationalization—thy name is Linda Frances.
I guess it doesn’t work anymore to those who don’t have the discernment of rational truth, based on actual numbers.