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Miami Marlins suspend manager Guillen for five games
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/10/miami-marlins-suspend-manager-guillen-for-five-games/comment-page-2/ ^ | April 10, 2012

Posted on 04/10/2012 7:50:22 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

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To: Hegewisch Dupa

Marriotti was a terrific columnist. Even if he had personal shortcomings.


51 posted on 04/10/2012 9:09:09 AM PDT by Borges
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To: NELSON111

Someone on my facebook who normally makes sense said they don’t understand why he should be suspended because “his opinion has nothing to do with his job”.

I brought up my example of a WalMart greeter saying “f-— you” to everyone who walks in. Should they be fired? And:
“Oh, and a lot of Marlins fans are Cuban. They are not pleased. If you’re the owner of the Marlins, do you want to see thousands of empty seats because of what Ozzie says? Baseball is a business.”


52 posted on 04/10/2012 9:11:08 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Borges

Holy crap - Horrifically incorrect statement by me. I got my lame columnists confused - it was Skip Bayless who was recently exposed as a huge liar thru his bs tweets about his fictitious basketball career - shame on me.


53 posted on 04/10/2012 9:16:36 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: bolobaby

It’s a 162 game season, a 5 game suspension is basically nothing. Basically he’s off until next Monday. Not that big a punishment for alienating a fan base they’re desperately trying to grow. The press might like to talk to him for his personal opinions, but as long as he wears the uniform it’s ALWAYS about the company line. People WILL boycott the Marlins because of what he said, they’re hoping the suspension will reduce that number.


54 posted on 04/10/2012 9:16:43 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Izzy Dunne

That routine was good enough to win him a world series. No they don’t have a problem with it, as long as he wins.


55 posted on 04/10/2012 9:22:17 AM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
it was Skip Bayless who was recently exposed as a huge liar thru his bs tweets about his fictitious basketball career - shame on me.

Was that anything like former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson for years having an official bio that claimed he had been drafted by the Kansas City A's, before one day he woke up and realized that he had not been?
56 posted on 04/10/2012 9:23:34 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ConservativeStatement

Liberals weren’t concerned about Guillen’s right to free speech when he was being castigated for calling a reporter a “fag”.


57 posted on 04/10/2012 9:29:26 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

A five game suspension does seem disingenuous. If the owners were really outraged, they should have fired him. Otherwise, they should defend his right to free speech. Five games is just patronizing to those who were truly offended by the comments.

If I were the owner, I would acknowledge his right to free speech, and fire him as a business decision. He’s the manager for MIAMI. You know, Miami, home to 95% of Cuban dissidents, many of whom personally experienced the horrors of Castro. If he was still in Chicago, it wouldn’t have been as big a deal. But a Venezuelan (Venezuela is Cuba’s staunchest ally in Latin America) can’t go to Miami and say he loves Castro, in any context.

The Marlins were stupid for hiring him in the first place. Ozzie is known for saying stupid things. A few years ago he was reprimanded for calling a guy a “fag”, which I don’t think is a big deal, but Miami has a big sizable gay population. This guy just seemed like a bad fit for Miami from the get-go. But five games is pointless.


58 posted on 04/10/2012 9:32:41 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

While your point is valid, I can still understand why it may have offended the local Cubans. What the heck is the manager of the baseball team making stupid or misunderstood remarks when you’re trying to sell stadium tickets for the new arena!


59 posted on 04/10/2012 9:38:05 AM PDT by poobear
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To: ConservativeStatement

Scouting report on Castro......

No speed.....the team mascot can get around the bases faster than him.......can’t field.....claims the sun is in his eyes even during night games......batting average starts with a zero.......couldn’t hit a beach ball if it was pitched underhand.....not a team player......unless he needs oil......give him a scooter-chair and a bobble-head doll......that will keep him occupied until the old reprobate kicks off.


60 posted on 04/10/2012 9:40:01 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Roccus

Is not this the same fan base that has the lowest attendence rate in MLB. I remember seeing pictures from a weekday game last season that had approx 350 people in the entire stadium.

Plus their tickets start at $8.00.


61 posted on 04/10/2012 9:48:34 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: blueunicorn6

62 posted on 04/10/2012 9:48:34 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: ConservativeStatement
This is being reported all wrong. Miami is the most racist city in the US. The Cubans are totally segregated, except for some celebrities. You can't imagine the racism on talk radio down there (in the 90’s, anyway). The old Florida rednecks hate the Cubans for race, the dominant liberals down there hate the Cubans because they are anticommunist and mostly conservative. I'll never forget the open ugliness during the Elian atrocity.

The Cubans never went to Marlin games, anyway. Mark my words - this won't harm this crude drunk in Florida. I'll bet callers to the Miami talk shows (if they still exist) are cheering him.

63 posted on 04/10/2012 9:54:18 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Let's name a law after a kid who died because of CAFE standards!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

In 2006, Hussein Obama went to Kenya to campaign for his cousin Rail Odinga, who named one of his sons Fidel Castro Odinga


64 posted on 04/10/2012 9:54:48 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: blueunicorn6
Sorry - it looked a lot more like the thing below a minute ago...


65 posted on 04/10/2012 9:57:43 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: ConservativeStatement

Future Ozzie Guillen speaking opportunities:

At an NAACP convention: “I respect James Earl Ray. That was a hell of a shot he got off from across the street like that.”

At a B’nai Brith meeting: “Hitler was a good man. He just wanted the best for his country.”

At a Tea Party rally: “I have to thank Barack Obama. He did some great things for my economy, man. I never had to worry about getting a job either.”

At a NOW convention. “You women would be better off if you just shut up and do what you’re told. Go bake some cookies or something.”

In Boston: “I always thought Yankee fans had more class than your fans.”

In Salt Lake City: “I think Mormons are crazy, man. They’re like a cult.”


66 posted on 04/10/2012 9:57:43 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I was in Miami on Saturday and heard him say on one of the locals sports radio shows that he performs animal sacrifices, 2 so far this season .
The host pressed him on what kind of animals, but Ozzie wouldn’t say because he didn’t want to get into any trouble!

I hated this guy when he was with the White Sox, but he’s definitely statying to grow on me.


67 posted on 04/10/2012 10:23:25 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I saw him on a CNN spot where he said, “I don’t regret what I said, but I do regret hurting people.”


68 posted on 04/10/2012 11:06:52 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: poobear

Guillen will be managing in the cuban winter league by the end of this year.


69 posted on 04/10/2012 11:11:25 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: stormer

I’m sure of my critique of the uniforms. You are missing my point entirely.

Show me a Miami Marlins home white jersey for this season that says “Marlins” across the front. You can’t. It doesn’t exist. Their home white jersey says “Miami” on front. Hence my comment about the “Miami Miami”.

Show me a Texas Rangers home white jersey for this season that says Rangers across the front. You can’t. It doesn’t exist. Their home white jerseys read “Texas” across the front. Hence my comment about the “Texas Texas”.


70 posted on 04/10/2012 11:12:08 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: stormer

BTW, that New York Giants home uni you posted helps make my point, as the HOME white jersey reads “GIANTS” across the front and NOT “New York”. Thanks.

I have one of them displayed in my basement autographed by Bobby Thomson and Ralph Branca.


71 posted on 04/10/2012 11:17:49 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Hence the Latin face to better identify with the locals...worked out well, eh?


72 posted on 04/10/2012 11:54:10 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: woodbutcher1963

On second thought, perhaps I should have used “local demographic” rather than “fan base”


73 posted on 04/10/2012 11:56:45 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry
Your are correct - it appears the Rangers have dumped their old look and now are exclusively "Texas" - a mistake in my view. As far as the Marlins go, their rebranding is ongoing, so it's not clear how that will end up.


74 posted on 04/10/2012 12:35:15 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

In that lineup, I’d say #2 is the perp


75 posted on 04/10/2012 12:39:22 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: stormer

Those uniforms are a whole lotta UGLY.


76 posted on 04/10/2012 12:46:18 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Not Romney - Not ever!)
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To: morphing libertarian

I hope he enjoys his Castro Cuban rations too! Oh, I forgot, free health care.

http://therealcuba.com/


77 posted on 04/10/2012 1:53:02 PM PDT by poobear
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To: liberalh8ter; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; SoFloFreeper; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Impy
So in baseball, to praise Castro results in suspension. In politics, it results in applause and acceptance from the democrats. In Hollywood, it results in millions at the box office and warm welcomes at Occupy Wall Street.

Guillen was fired for being honest. On the other hand, some politicians are at least as far left ideologically but won't admit that they admire leftist despots. (Yes, the book in the pic is anti-US).


78 posted on 04/10/2012 3:04:38 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Love the pic.

Thanks for the chuckle.


79 posted on 04/10/2012 3:08:37 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: poobear

His apology will work when and only when Jorge Mas-Candosa says it is good.
If it doesn’t pass muster on Calle Ocho then he has to go!
Viva CUBA!


80 posted on 04/10/2012 3:17:55 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

” Guillen was fired for being honest”

Honesty is over rated in 2012. Ask Derbyshire : )


81 posted on 04/10/2012 3:29:36 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Your point would be pointier if it didn’t start with misinformation.


82 posted on 04/10/2012 4:30:43 PM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Dr. Ursus; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Dengar01; darkangel82; AuH2ORepublican; ..

Maybe he was talking about STARLIN Castro!!

When he called an upopular sports columnist a fag he later claimed the word meant something else in Venezuela.

This is classic OZman. He was probably drunk off his ass,

I’m glad he’s Miami’s problem now.

Meanwhile, If Bobby Petrino was only President of the United States he’d still be employed and more popular than ever.


83 posted on 04/11/2012 12:28:34 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

Not to defend Ozzie, but he probably meant that he admired in a way how Castro had managed to survive all those years, not that he liked what he had done to his people. Ozzie says stupid things, and this one was as stupid as could be; an apology, clarification and five- game suspension sounds like a reasonable reaction.

As for calling a reporter a “fag,” he didn’t mean that the guy was a homosexual. The offensive slang term in Spanish for homosexual, “maricón,” is used in many places (including, I guess, Venezuela) to describe not just homosexuals, but someone who is a coward, or a weak person, or generally to insult someone. Just like someone in the U.S. might call someone a fag if he doesn’t want to dive into a swimming pool, or describe something “lame” as “gay” (which the NBA believes is the biggest human-rights problem in America), a Venezuelan might refer to a reporter who writes lies about him as a “maricón” even if he knew him to be heterosexual. And Ozzie translated it into “fag,” and all hell broke loose. Again, I’m not defending Ozzie’s behavior, just explaining that his “mistranslation” explanation is actually correct in a sense.


84 posted on 04/11/2012 3:36:40 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; Dengar01; GOPsterinMA
Not to defend Ozzie, but he probably meant that he admired in a way how Castro had managed to survive all those years, not that he liked what he had done to his people.

I agree that's probably what he meant. That's what I took away when I read the comments the first time. I wouldn't have gotten bent out of shape about it but then again Castro didn't imprison my family nor do I have a stake in Marlin ticket sales.

I would go further as to say even if he was a Castro-lover and communist he would have every right to his fool opinions, just as the Marlins have every right to punish or fire him if his comments hurt the team.

As for calling a reporter a “fag,” he didn’t mean that the guy was a homosexual

Absolutely, the South Park episode "The F word" speaks about this. And he was 100% right, the appearently heterosexual Jay Mariotti is perhaps the biggest fag/maricon to ever be a sports writer. That doesn't stop the gays from screaming that it's "homophobic" to use those words in those contexts (they are probably used much more in those contexts than as a purley anti-gay slur).

However I don't buy any of his alleged difficulties with the English lanaguage. I think he knew what he was saying both times and was probably blato both times.

85 posted on 04/11/2012 5:02:05 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Borges; Hegewisch Dupa; AuH2ORepublican; Dengar01; darkangel82; GOPsterinMA

Mariotti was a tool.

I read his columns though, I guess I must like being angry.

I wonder what he’s doing now. Too bad he’s not a music star like Chris Brown, then could have gotten away with hitting his GF instead of being ruined.

Bayliss is also a tool but that’s what makes him entertaining. I not surprised the dude appeartently lied about being a HS B-Ball star. Completely in character. He obviously would have wanted to keep playing if he was good enougn, he wasn’t.


86 posted on 04/11/2012 5:19:06 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

By “blato” you mean “piss-drunk”? I think it’s spelled “blotto” (I could be wrong, though; it’s not a word one often sees in writing).


87 posted on 04/11/2012 5:46:56 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: GOYAKLA
I'm late, but well said!

Viva CUBA and Los Ustados Unidos!

88 posted on 04/11/2012 1:34:20 PM PDT by poobear
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Blotto, you’re right.

I don’t recall ever seeing it in print until now.

I should have said he was “in the bag”. I haven’t heard that one since NYPD Blue.


89 posted on 04/12/2012 12:03:16 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy
I would have never understood what you meant had you said "in the bag," which I associate with being a sure thing (because he was bought off or otherwise), or else with the classic Disney cartoon starring the hilarious and underrated Humphrey the Bear:


90 posted on 04/12/2012 5:51:41 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

It appears to be a very arcane saying. Probably originated from the practice of putting booze bottles in paper bags.


91 posted on 04/13/2012 4:20:33 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

Sold in package stores.


92 posted on 04/13/2012 5:13:47 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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