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Itís time to tighten belts, stop whining
Las Vegas Sun ^ | Tuesday, April 10, 2012 | 2 a.m. | Craig Hutzler

Posted on 04/10/2012 2:52:19 PM PDT by redreno

Last Tuesday’s “Heard Elsewhere” from The New York Times, “A cruel Republican budget,” promotes a very irresponsible ethic, namely a “give me everything” attitude. The United States cannot continue in that way if we are to remain a successful long-term democracy.

While people in the middle class typically tend to believe in an altruistic, fair-play agenda, citizens are unable to continue living beyond their means indefinitely. I’m sorry, but if a person cannot afford good housing, medical care and enjoyable pastimes, then that person just should not have them.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: nevada

1 posted on 04/10/2012 2:52:25 PM PDT by redreno
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To: redreno

Fine. Time to cut Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. They are the main cause of these deficits. I won’t hold my breath as to any shows of support from the author of this piece or most on FR. Cutting government spending is fine & dandy till it involves THEIR favorite ponzi scheme.


2 posted on 04/10/2012 2:54:22 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: redreno

3 posted on 04/10/2012 3:05:07 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
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Everyone needs to look at this!
This is the true crisis everything else pales into insignificance. And I mean everything including social issues! I applaud Perry for pointing it out indirectly with his comment that “social security is a Ponzi scheme”
Every time I see this I say “Welcome to Greece!”

Also it makes Ron Paul right!

4 posted on 04/10/2012 3:13:00 PM PDT by Reily
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To: KantianBurke
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Everyone needs to look at this!
This is the true crisis everything else pales into insignificance. And I mean everything including social issues! I applaud Perry for pointing it out indirectly with his comment that “social security is a Ponzi scheme”
Every time I see this I say “Welcome to Greece!”

Also it makes Ron Paul right!

5 posted on 04/10/2012 3:13:23 PM PDT by Reily
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To: redreno

The fools won’t understand until it crashes around them. Let it crash.


6 posted on 04/10/2012 3:20:09 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: redreno
While people in the middle class typically tend to believe in an altruistic, fair-play agenda

I hate to say it but this is B.S. The middle class is the reason we have these problems. The middle class -- us or our neighbors and family -- want entitlements but don't want to pay for them. And the middle class has the votes to vote out anyone who cuts their benefits or raises taxes on them. So we are stuck with borrowing or raising taxes on "the rich." Contrary to popular belief, the tax code has become way more progressive over the past 20 or 30 years. Half the country doesn't pay taxes. The top 10% pay something like 75% of all taxes.

7 posted on 04/10/2012 3:22:11 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: KantianBurke
Time to cut Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid.

Fine with me. Return what I've paid in and we'll call it even.

/johnny

8 posted on 04/10/2012 3:31:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: redreno
The election will be cast as NICE vs. HARSH.

NICE wants everyone to get more benefits, hence more votes.

HARSH wants to avoid a future catastrophe.

This is why CA is a basket case as the voters are NICE to all, including union teachers-police-fire-prison guards. Looks like WI is going the same way.

The challenge will be for HARSH to convince voters that the risk of catastrophe is so great, that not ignoring it is NICEr.

Good luck with that.

9 posted on 04/10/2012 4:00:37 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Clock King
Let it crash.

Yup....the sooner the better.

In the mean time, best to live as much off the grid as possible. Preppers are not crazy.
10 posted on 04/10/2012 4:07:18 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Not possible. “Your” money has already been spent on current recipients. It’s called a ponzi scheme. Deal with it.


11 posted on 04/10/2012 4:18:51 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: redreno

Abortion = the root cause

Evil = root cause of abortion

“I have met the enemy, and he is us.”


12 posted on 04/10/2012 4:21:30 PM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: KantianBurke

Of course it’s possible. Cut everyone under say 55 a check for what they’ve paid in and tell tell them they’re on their own for retirement. For those over 55 the program continues as promised til they die. In about 20 years the problem self corrects and deficits plunge.


13 posted on 04/10/2012 4:25:31 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

And where does the money come from for this magic check?


14 posted on 04/10/2012 4:42:53 PM PDT by DB
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To: redreno

Uh uh! Eff that! I’ve seen who wins. I want my entitlements!


15 posted on 04/10/2012 4:46:45 PM PDT by Student0165 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Lurker

“”Cut everyone under say 55 a check for what they’ve paid in””

With or without the employer matching contribution? Isn’t that a weird word (contribution) to use for something that’s mandatory? Self employed people would get 100% of their own money and employees should get their share and the employer share.

Where does it come from? The money is there - just CUT, CUT, CUT. Start with WH travel/vacations and go from there....

Make the DNC repay the taxpayers for the cost of “o’s” travel/lodging costs in his campaign for reelection.

Make Edwards, Clinton, Kerry, Biden, Kucinich, Bachmann, Paul, and every other elected official (D or R) who has left the work they were hired to do in Congress repay their salary for days off the job while campaigning for higher office in the past 10 years...or 20 or 30!!


16 posted on 04/10/2012 5:17:08 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

Oh! Yeah! That includes the days “o” took off from his job in Congress to run for President in 2007 and 2008!!!!


17 posted on 04/10/2012 5:19:45 PM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: KantianBurke; redreno; Thank You Rush
Fine. Time to cut Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid.

No, first we must cut all government lottery style retirement pensions, at all levels of government, from the city, county state and federal levels and this will include those already retired.

And then reduce the size of government at all levels outside military by 45 percent.

This we must do.

It's choking off the American private sector.

18 posted on 04/10/2012 5:27:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Reily

“Everyone needs to look at this!”

Of course, but it simply WILL NOT MATTER. Even most of the old people on this site would rather see this country go BANKRUPT than to lose ONE CENT of what they ‘paid into’ into Social Security and Medicare.

People will look at at that chart, but it will be on pieces of paper in the public square, as they soon won’t be able to afford a computer, the Internet, or even their own newspaper.

But they should still look at the chart, just so they know WHO TO BLAME while their kids starve.


19 posted on 04/10/2012 5:29:59 PM PDT by BobL
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To: DB
And where does the money come from for this magic check?

It appears there is the ability to create an unlimited supply of Baraqqi/Bernanke "minibucks"

20 posted on 04/10/2012 5:33:58 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: DB
"And where does the money come from for this magic check?"

The Federal government owns over 650 million acres of land. The States own another 197 million acres. They should be required to sell it off to pay those who have been forced into their various Ponzi schemes.

21 posted on 04/10/2012 5:38:26 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: DB

From where? Same place we’ve been getting it.


22 posted on 04/10/2012 5:39:27 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: redreno
I’m sorry, but if a person cannot afford good housing, medical care and enjoyable pastimes, then that person just should not have them.

The private sector can no longer afford government lottery style retirements pensions and all the tax paid benefits and they must be the first to go, or be dramatically reduced. This must be retroactive for those already receiving these bloated tax paid pensions/benefits, at every level of government outside military.

23 posted on 04/10/2012 5:39:33 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: BobL

Agreed!
Sometimes awake at night and think about this and say to myself,’What if Ron Paul is right?’


24 posted on 04/10/2012 5:41:00 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
As long as this includes elimination or dramatic reduction of bloated tax paid government lottery style retirements pensions at all levels of government, including those already retired, I'm on board.

Of course, the angry screams you'll hear from tens of hundreds of thousands of government employees, will be heard coast to coast.

25 posted on 04/10/2012 5:47:37 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Reily

“Agreed!
Sometimes awake at night and think about this and say to myself,’What if Ron Paul is right?’”

He is right. It took a few decades, and he’s still a nutcase. But he is right (finally) about the country collapsing. I’ve prepped as good as I can for it - lots of rice (and other food), enough non-perishables for at least 4 years, multiple means to purify rooftop water.

The crash MUST happen, unless one of two things happen (or both). (1) We attack entitlements and turn Social Security and Medicare into MEANS-TESTED welfare programs (which they should have always been); or (2) We increase taxes LIKE CRAZY on the middle and lower classes (since that is where most of the money is and those are the people that aren’t able to avoid higher taxes).

If we do neither, our deficits stay at at least $1T per year, and we crumble. Unfortunately, that’s the most likely outcome.


26 posted on 04/10/2012 5:52:58 PM PDT by BobL
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To: dragnet2
Did you bother to glance at the graph I posted above? Well here it is again:

Cut out all the government you want including the military - it won't be enough!

27 posted on 04/10/2012 7:15:29 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
Fine. Time to cut Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid.

No, first we must cut all government lottery style retirement pensions, at all levels of government, from the city, county state and federal levels and this will include those already retired.

And then reduce the size of government at all levels outside military by 45 percent.

This we must do.

Did you bother to glance at the graph I posted above? Cut out all the government you want including the military - it won't be enough!

No one here suggested it would be enough.

The fact remains, we must dramatically eliminate or reduce these bloated country killing government retirement pensions/benefits, at all levels of government.

This is not even debatable and should have been done 30 years ago.

28 posted on 04/10/2012 7:26:05 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: KantianBurke
Anybody who lumps everything together is an idiot.
Most of the money paid by working Americans for Social Security since 1964 has gone for hidden welfare. If that money had just been invested, what would the present value be?
29 posted on 04/10/2012 7:53:09 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: Publius6961

“Most of the money paid by working Americans for Social Security since 1964 has gone for hidden welfare”

One more time - SS IS A PONZI SCHEME. “Paid in” is a term which cannot apply in this case. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial or living up to PT Barnum’s dictum.


30 posted on 04/10/2012 8:00:41 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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