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City of Roswell, GA, bullies Andrew Wordes to death over his backyard chickens
Natural News ^ | April 10, 2012 | Ethan A. Huff

Posted on 04/10/2012 4:36:56 PM PDT by WXRGina

An innocent man who had legally been raising a few dozen chickens and other small birds in the backyard of his suburban Atlanta home is now dead, following a crusade of terror perpetrated against him by the City of Roswell in Georgia. Andrew Wordes, who died during a recent raid on his property in which county marshals tried to illegally evict him, was the obvious victim of a rogue state gone mad -- and his blood is now on the hands of the Roswell City Administrator, the Roswell City Council, and the Roswell Police Department, all of which robbed from Wordes his property, his livelihood, and ultimately his life.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: roswell; suicide; workplace; zoning
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
February 2012 -- Wordes receives word that he is to be evicted from his home for failure to pay his mortgage. He tells The Atlanta Journal-Constitution he doesn't see a "happy ending" to the matter.

Eviction had nothing to do with chickens or out of control government. People get evicted everyday for nonpayment.

51 posted on 04/10/2012 7:38:06 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: AnAmericanMother

Don’t suppose it occurred to you that that volunteer was told to quit helping through back channels?

The local congressman’s wife is on the city council.

Something smells and it’s not the chicken shit.


52 posted on 04/10/2012 7:38:06 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: AnAmericanMother

Okay, Mother, I hope you enjoy the future of America under the current and future “leadership” you seem to embrace. That is not conspiracy, but fact.

You have been a very vocal presence on this thread, so I do wonder what your part in this whole deal might be. Damage control, maybe?

Regardless. The majority of us freedom-loving, private property rights-loving Americans do not agree with you.


53 posted on 04/10/2012 7:42:32 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: Valpal1
This subdivision was built in the 1960s. This is one block off the main drag, just north of downtown Roswell, south of Crossville Rd -- the only new development near here would be infill. The commercial properties along Alpharetta Hwy have been there for years.

The flood everybody's talking about in the stories was probably the September 2009 flood - worst since 1919 and hopefully will not recur anytime soon. We live near the river and I have never seen the water anywhere near as high as that before.

54 posted on 04/10/2012 7:48:56 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Oshkalaboomboom
February 2012 -- Wordes receives word that he is to be evicted from his home for failure to pay his mortgage.

Funny how the story changes when the truth comes out. Too bad he didn't receive psychological help.

55 posted on 04/10/2012 7:56:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: WXRGina
Wow.

Because I ask questions, consider sources, and give another point of view, I must be part of a conspiracy to engage in damage control?

I've been active on the thread because I'm local to this story, I have a friend who actually lived on the street until recently, and I was a bit put off by the original news item. Look at the language there:

City of Roswell, GA, bullies Andrew Wordes to death over his backyard chickens

An innocent man who had legally been raising a few dozen chickens and other small birds in the backyard of his suburban Atlanta home is now dead, following a crusade of terror perpetrated against him by the City of Roswell in Georgia. Andrew Wordes, who died during a recent raid on his property in which county marshals tried to illegally evict him, was the obvious victim of a rogue state gone mad -- and his blood is now on the hands of the Roswell City Administrator, the Roswell City Council, and the Roswell Police Department, all of which robbed from Wordes his property, his livelihood, and ultimately his life.

That is not a news story - that is at best editorial opinion and at worst bordering on hysteria. Also you might consider the policy statement of the website from which this item was taken:

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56 posted on 04/10/2012 8:01:30 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

The US census indicates a 10% increase in population over the past decade and the city’s own websites says that 2009 assessed valuation of permitted construction of 18.4 million and the median house value is over 300K.

They have had lots of development all over, it doesn’t have to be next door to the lot, run off into creeks will come from many more points, but the overflow is going to happen in that flood zone at the confluence of those two creeks.

They could have just bought him out when he offered to sell it to the city. It’s in their development plan, so you tell me why they didn’t take him up on the offer.

Because somebody saw a chance to create a “nuisance” property, buy it up cheap and then resell it to the city.


57 posted on 04/10/2012 8:04:58 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: AnAmericanMother

Ah! There it is! I had a feeling it was in your thinking somewhere.

The “sustainable” racket. Man, I really can’t tell you enough how that United Nations Agenda 21 scheme is an enemy—not just of America, but the entire free world.


58 posted on 04/10/2012 8:07:32 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: Valpal1
Don’t suppose it occurred to you that that volunteer was told to quit helping through back channels?

You obviously don't know the volunteer in question. Roy Barnes can be a real PITA, and I'm not particularly fond of him, but nobody tells him what to do. Not even Tom Price's wife. Maybe particularly not Tom Price's wife, because Price and Barnes are at opposite ends of local politics.

Tom Price is my congressman. He's very conservative, very responsive to his constituents, and the idea that he or his wife would be involved in a conspiracy to do to death a Roswell resident over chickens - or zoning - is just completely laughable.

A much more likely scenario is that this unfortunate man refused to take Barnes's advice, which would not sit well with Barnes.

59 posted on 04/10/2012 8:07:50 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: WXRGina
EXACTLY! WE AGREE!!!!

The sustainable racket is NOT in my thinking -- it's the policy statement and guiding light of the man who wrote this slanted article!

(do you hear me now?)

60 posted on 04/10/2012 8:09:51 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Then why didn’t the city buy him out when he offered to sell?

And who is the mystery mortgage holder that bought it at half price?


61 posted on 04/10/2012 8:21:31 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1
The numbers are for the entire city of Roswell, which is 42 square miles, and includes some very high end properties. But this area is practically downtown, and the property has been developed for 50 years.

If you start getting condo and high-density encroachment into the older subdivisions (and that's probably more likely along the commercial corridor) you could see some increased runoff. But this is not a flood zone and we're not talking about a huge creek. During those 2009 floods the normally dry wash next to our property was a raging river (and got into our crawlspace).

I cruised around the Roswell website for awhile, but didn't see anything in the development plan that had an impact on this particular property - other than it being within the Alpharetta Highway commercial corridor. Source?

62 posted on 04/10/2012 8:26:27 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Maybe the Prices are just the usual useful idiots that bought into unbalanced crank story.


63 posted on 04/10/2012 8:27:08 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1
Then why didn’t the city buy him out when he offered to sell?

Umm . . . he was asking too much maybe?

There's a large (40+ acre) parcel near here that's owned by a real estate developer. The county had the idea of making a park out of it . . . but he wanted $100M for it. There went that idea. . .

64 posted on 04/10/2012 8:29:00 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I’m glad we agree on “sustainable development.”


65 posted on 04/10/2012 8:29:58 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

It is identified on the city maps as a flood zone, which it obviously would be by the simple geographic fact that the lot is located at the confluence of two creeks.


66 posted on 04/10/2012 8:31:57 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1
Well, I guess maybe my congressman could be an idiot, but I've never seen any signs of it. He's very helpful and he's very much an individual rights, conservative guy.

And you have to admit that a fellow who would immolate himself by pouring gasoline all over and lighting it off just might, possibly, be a bit unbalanced? I used to be an arson investigator and it's a horrible way to die.

67 posted on 04/10/2012 8:32:24 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Valpal1

I stand corrected - I found the map. I’m surprised that the AE zone extends across Alpharetta Hwy there - one of the creeks passes right under the highway. It must go through a culvert.


68 posted on 04/10/2012 8:42:01 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
And you have to admit that a fellow who would immolate himself by pouring gasoline all over and lighting it off just might, possibly, be a bit unbalanced?

Oh, good! So, you have proof that it really WAS "suicide"? Please let me know your proof, because I, and many other people, are wondering...

69 posted on 04/10/2012 8:44:41 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: WXRGina
Of course we don't have proof.

But he told several neighbors "this is it" and "this is the day". During the two-hour standoff with the marshals, he thanked the news reporter he was talking to over the phone 'for everything', told him 'I can't tell you what's going to happen . . . but it ain't pretty' and told him to get his van away from the house. Then the place went up.

No proof, but that's the way to bet.

70 posted on 04/10/2012 8:50:15 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I must give you credit for your enthusiasm in persisting on this thread’s topic (that you reportedly have no stake in) to insist that these awful repeated injustices against an innocent man were “okay” because a few people did not approve of his use of his own private property.

Disturbing.


71 posted on 04/10/2012 9:00:34 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I think you should pay very close attention to present and future chain of ownership of that lot. That will tell you where the corruption lies.

It’s often done through distaff shirttail relations because the difference in last names hides relationships better.

You should also be disturbed by the fact that the city jailed somebody for zoning violations, that is never a sign of good use of city resources, tying up courts and jail space with non violent offenders.

And stable or unstable, it is the government that has a positive duty to safeguard the rights of citizens and this, the city of Roswell did not do, instead they used their power to abuse a weaker citizen for its own benefit.

May you always be lucky in your status and relationships so that you never find yourself in the same position, stripped by bureaucratic malfeasance of everything you own, all under the color of law for the public “good”.


72 posted on 04/10/2012 9:20:01 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1

I’m with you. Follow the money.

I don’t doubt that this guy was fighting city hall for the sake of fighting city hall after awhile, and that after he became a PITA the folks in authority decided they’d win the pissing match come Hell or high water.

If he’d of hurt somebody else on his way off this ball of mud I’d have no sympathy for him.

As it stands, after reading this thread my bet is that the somebody with a little power decided he was a crazy coot and therefore they could bully him. I don’t know if how it ended was worth it (and I’m guessing he did himself in) but I can’t help but admire his sand.

I don’t know that he was blameless, but for all the times in my life I’ve wanted to punch an officious jerk in the nose but just smiled instead...well, I can’t condone it, but I understand it.


73 posted on 04/10/2012 11:45:50 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Valpal1
Amen to that!

Just so you understand where I'm coming from -- I've played in the big leagues - City of Atlanta ZRB and BZA, the city/county tax commissioner, and even the city council. I've not only fought City Hall -- I've won (and after I won, I moved to a more congenial rural area). I have no love for the petty zoning Nazis that you find in any city zoning department, because I dealt with them for 25 years.

With that said, my primary concern here is the way this story developed, and what it says about memes, prejudice, and knee-jerk reactions.

This is obviously a conservative, small-government, leave-me-alone type message board, and we self-select for those inclinations. But there's a danger in that.

Substitute for a moment "Trayvon Martin" here. We start with an inflammatory news article that doesn't give all the facts and uses a lot of buzz words that evoke a particular reaction. The target audience already has an inclination to sympathize with the named victim and to dislike the accused perpetrators, so they all go, "Yeah!" The accusations become wilder and wilder, to the point of organized conspiracies and even murder.

Then somebody says, "wait a minute, I know somebody in the neighborhood and this isn't how she says it went down." The response: "This is all a conspiracy. All government officials are conspiring to steal this guy's land. The congressman is in on it too because his wife's on city council." - "Wait a minute. These facts don't line up. And I know some of these people and they're not bad people." - "You're in on it. You're part of the conspiracy too!"

It's not just the media that has memes and automatically assumes facts to fit them.

These are real people. Roswell is a small town. I have a lot of friends there, my son went to school there, I live nearby. You don't. Where you see a monolithic faceless government, I see human beings that I have personally dealt with. That causes me to be concerned when people are throwing really serious accusations around about my neighbors.

All I'm saying is, let's make sure we have the facts and that this is the hill we want to defend. If we go ballistic on every sensational news story, then when there really is an example of overreaching and government bullying, we will have lost our credibility.

74 posted on 04/11/2012 7:25:55 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Thank you for a clearly objective analysis .

This is a tragic and complicated case. There is no doubt in my mind that Roswell Government officials acted honorably. A thorough investigation will be conducted. Chicken man might be much more a victim. May he rest in peace.

Facts matter so why rush to judgement?

75 posted on 04/11/2012 7:51:57 AM PDT by Broker (Talaga!)
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To: WXRGina
This story is sickening and stunning. The people in this city's government need to be removed from their positions of power
 
 
 
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No, your verion of this story is what is sickening and stunning. Was this nutcase a relative of yours? A friend?
 
I posted an article on the facts of this story when it happened a few weeks ago. From what little you posted, it is obvious that you have an agenda here.
 
I suppose if I took the time to read the comments, maybe I could find someone coming up with the truth of what happened, intead of your goofy spin.
 
But - I've had my say.


76 posted on 04/11/2012 7:52:03 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: WXRGina; AnAmericanMother
"PS: you appear to be on the side of tyranny."

Whoa, back the horses up here. AAM is posting her direct observations and recollections of neighborhood discussions from when she lived a few houses down from the man. You appear to be putting all of your faith in the news article and challenging any who posit their discussions or direct observations as "hearsay" unless it' in print?

I've not seen anywhere in AAM's comments where she's coming down on side or the other, she's posting additional information, some contradictory to the article in question and it should be taken into account before folks embarass themselves or starting casting ad hominems around.

77 posted on 04/11/2012 8:05:04 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
Thanks for the kind words - but just wanted to note that it wasn't me who lived in the neighborhood. It's a friend of mine that I train hunting dogs with. She's a pretty straight up person, and I have no reason to think she would lie.

Funny thing is that I drove right by this place twice a day for four years. I've shopped in the shopping center right behind this house, and eaten at the Dairy Queen. Never knew there was a subdivision there, never knew there was a flood zone creek that ran right under a 5-lane highway there. So there were lots of things I didn't know even though I'm here -- and there are probably other facts that none of us know.

I'm not taking the side of the city - they probably messed up somewhere along the line or could have taken a less confrontational approach. Zoning officials get huffy when they're opposed, and judges get huffy about probation violations and contempt. Or they just may not have realized they were dealing with a fragile individual until too late.

But let's just get the facts straight here, since we're always criticizing others for jumping to conclusions.

78 posted on 04/11/2012 8:26:54 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

The problem is that you are ignoring known facts. Wardes was first given zoning violations falsely and won in court both times. City officials were engaged in abusive enforcement against him from day one. That’s a fact.

It is also a fact that the city was dealt out a criminal punishment for a zoning violation (grading his lot in an attempt to protect it from flooding). Anytime a government punishes common sense self protection of property, tyranny is afoot. Your attachment to the “nice” people is blinding you to reality.

The truth is human evil is often so banal and pleasant on it’s face that people don’t even recognize it until they too are in its cross hairs.

Roswell first created a criminal and then it punished him.


79 posted on 04/11/2012 8:34:44 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: AnAmericanMother; WXRGina

Ok, missed that part about it being your friend, but my point remains.

You identified inconsistencies and related information that helps to point to this being more of an editorial than a news article.

That by itself should give some folks pause to reconsider what exactly is going on here and what is being reported and most importantly, why.

The level of discourse on FR is going down the tubes and if we can’t agree to disagree without casting aspersions and ad-hominems, then what’s the point of even logging on?


80 posted on 04/11/2012 8:35:19 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I spent some time reading the local coverage and it appears that the lot was purchased by an unnamed mortgage and is now held in a blind trust.

The main purpose of a blind trust is to shield the beneficiary from conflicts of interest issues. A common thing among the political class.

Who owns the mortgage? Somebody in city management is dealing from the bottom of the deck for personal profit.

You think they didn’t realize he was fragile until too late, but I know predators. They suss out the weak instantly.

They’re nice to you because you either don’t appear weak or you don’t have something they want (yet).


81 posted on 04/11/2012 8:47:27 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: AnAmericanMother

The article was rather positive for Mayor Jere Wood, whom I also know from my YR days in the area. It says Mayor Wood was friends with and was also helping Wordes with this situation. It was the tyrants on the City Council that were after him. I’m a bit surprised that Mayor Wood was unable to do more to reign in the Council.


82 posted on 04/11/2012 9:10:15 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Valpal1
That's where you have a leap of logic.

The fact that a mortgage is in a blind trust does not necessarily mean that a local politician is holding it. It also does not necessarily mean that the holder has evil intent. And it's an even bigger leap to conclude that "somebody in city management is dealing from the bottom of the deck for personal profit."

It could be true. Could also not be true. We'll have to wait on the facts.

83 posted on 04/11/2012 9:25:48 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

The fact that the foreclosure documents were improperly filled out and lacking the legally required contact information doesn’t bother you either.

The problem is with all these things occurring together involving a single lot targeted as future green space.

Zoning violations in spite of the clear language of the ordinance.
Contact (harassment) of the original mortgage holder by city officials in violation of policy and practice.
Mortgage holder sells out cheap to secret buyer.
Property held in blind trust, actual owner still unknown.
Foreclosure documents improperly filled out, owner still hidden.
Joe Citizen held in jail and denied access to courts (for a trumped up zoning violation abetted by the mayor) while his property is plundered.

Press accounts say the city has spent a quarter million taxpayer dollars on pursuing the Chicken Man. Pretty sure that was less than his asking price.

And you want to blame the victim for being unstable or uncooperative.

You really are blinded by the “nice”.


84 posted on 04/11/2012 9:43:35 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: AnAmericanMother

I think you may have normalcy bias with a dash of “nobody would really do such a horrible thing to person so there must have been something wrong with him”.

Admitting that such a nice small town is governed by petty tyrants with hidden agendas is something you just aren’t prepared to deal with, so you’re very busy putting on the Pollyanna polish, everything is okay, nothing bad is going on and the problem was the citizen, not the government.


85 posted on 04/11/2012 9:50:53 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1
Look, I'm tired of dealing with the ad hominem stuff.

I have no illusions about local government.

But one thing I have learned is that constructing an elaborate web of conspiracies and deceit out of very limited facts is wrong for several reasons.

1. Conspiracies are hard to create and even harder to conceal. We shouldn't reason ahead of the data.

2. Accusing people you don't even know of this level of deliberate evil without direct evidence is slanderous and gives scandal.

86 posted on 04/11/2012 10:42:30 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Yet you refuse to admit deliberate evil exists because you haven't personally experienced it. You've got your eyes wide shut.

I don't have to know these "nice" people to know their conduct is illegitimate because too many actions they took are non standard and out of the ordinary.

Just start with the very first violation they gave him when the statute involved specifically allowed chickens on lots under two acres.

The very first official city action was non-standard and abusive and it went down hill from there.

But you'd rather pretend that these "nice" people are not responsible for the consequences of their own non standard and abusive implementation of the civil power granted to them.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. So you, too, outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness." ...Jesus

Corruption at even the lowest level of government is older than the Bible. The very nature of government attracts the petty and the tyrannical for the same reason Willie Sutton robbed banks.

87 posted on 04/11/2012 11:10:41 AM PDT by Valpal1
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