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Posted on 04/10/2012 4:45:45 PM PDT by Fred
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JC=JustClueless - who thinks everyone else is, too.
A LOT will have to happen to get another debate out of Romney, IMHO.
VERY well done. You sound like yourself now!
The Santorum supporters have now been dog whistled in to agitate for awhile on another Newt thread.
I say Newt thread.
Santorum isn’t running, after all.
This would be cool, Pink, if Rick were running, but he suspended his campaign yesterday. If you want to blow something up, maybe you could go blow up on a Santorum thread.
Since Santorum is no longer running, this could be called a Gingrich thread and be pretty close to accurate.
Guys and gals, I heard part of Levin’s show last evening.
He said a clear no to Newt’s call for support against Romney.
He wallowed in Santoriumism.
He knocked Romney but pledged to support him against Obama.
What a waste.
Your posts are uplifting to me, after that downer.
Forget it, Newt. It’s over.
Had you ended your campaign weeks ago and thrown your support behind Santorum, there’d still be a chance of taking down Romney, but that chance is gone, and with it, any hope of winning in November.
You got it, girl!
We are not conceding, suspending, giving up or giving in, we’re not quitting, we’re not resigning and we’re not blinking, for anything or anybody.
These thread trolls think it is about getting Newt the nomination and absolutely nothing else. They’re so stuck on their candidate they won’t fight the GOP-E with whatever stick is handy. Newt is a hell of a stick and I want to hear him roar at convention.
It’s also about the WHOLE campaign against the GOP-E for putting up this RINO, funding him to kill off the chances for any conservative willing to run, and without Newt there would be a heck of lot fewer concessions forced on Romney than with him.
This race isn’t over anyway. Romney should be made to bleed for every delegate he gets. Newt will try and see that does. :)
We’re in until Newt is out! Newt, 2012
Jeff Head, I think I was accurate. I said Romney barely ever won over 50% in any states. You listed 4 states out of about 30 where he did. When I wrote that I was actually kind of assuming it was a couple more than that. So that’s a poor showing. I don’t care about Guam and those goofy islands, which certainly provide very little basis for predicting what happens in the next 20 states. The ones you list where he won under 50% simply show that if the non-Romneys decide to consolidate, he could do very badly in the next 20 states.
Oh, and one of those 4 states where he got over 50% was Virginia. We all know why that was able to happen there.
I’m wondering if the convention delegates vote on anything else there besides the nominee. If they vote on parts of the platform then that would be more incentive to get more Newt delegates to go.
I think that the record shows that if the non-Romneys decide to consolidate around Newt, Romney would lose the vast majority of the upcoming states. He only won 3 actual states where everyone was on the ballot with over 50% of the vote. At that rate he’d only win 2 out of the next 20 states.
If Romney LOSES 564 out of the remaining 1,053 delegates, then he does not reach the magic 1,144 number and I presume it goes to the convention (as best I can calculate, not knowing which unbound delegates might declare for him). The outcome of this primary is still ALL up to the voters, not to the elites.
I’m the one who’s duped? Newt’s delivered 4 states to Romney - 4 states that would have defeated him had they gone to Santorum.
Again, OH, MI, AK and WY, all would have gone to Santorum had Newt Gingrich endorsed him. Then you look at the delegate math in places like Mississippi, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Alabama.
Why, if Newt Gingrich wants my support, was he telling us that we all had to get with the program and get behind Romney on Monday?
Am I supposed to believe he’s suddenly discovered his passion that he didn’t have on Monday on Tuesday?
Fact of the matter is this. Newt has to win 3 more states head to head vs Romney before he even earns a ticket to the convention. That means states like North Carolina, Arkansas, Kentucky and West Virginia.
He can do it, but he’s going to have to demonstrate that he can do something he’s only done twice so far, and actually beat Romney.
He wants my vote in Texas, win a state first, Newt.
“Why all of a sudden do we need to get behind Romney? Because his boy quit and now Newt has to, too? I don’t get the logic. My advice to Levin: stop picking lousy candidates (Thompson, Bachmann!, Santo) and stop telling Newt to get behind Romney.”
Santorum is out, and all of a sudden Levin finds Romney “inevitable”?
As long as Newt is in, I’m with him, as should be all true conservatives.
Let’s see how Newt does in KY, WV, AR and NC first.
He needs to win 2 of these in order for Texas to have any influence on the nomination.
Your mission if you choose to accept it is this. Plain and simple. 5 percent just isn’t going to cut it anymore.
Levin was only for Palin, then he was only for Bachmann, then he was only for Santorum, now he’s only for Romney.
I’ll wager the great one doesn’t see the irony in all of that.
But some of us...who are even his fans...do see it.
It’s time for all TRUE conservatives to rally to Gingrich!
This is NOT over!
ping go newt
Abortion is a no-go for most secular (l)ibertarians too. Even for those of us who are religious, secular (l)ibertarians.
From my perspective, those Social Conservatives that would not vote for Gingrich because he screwed around on two or three wives...and since claims biblical repentance...are simply hypocrites.
And they are certainly no friend of the conservative movement.
Under their own standard they would vote for Romney or Obama over Gingrich.
That's just plain 'ol stoopid.
Won’t work Newtie. AFAIC You’d be even worse than Mitt. I’m sitting the rest of this race out. I’ll vote for whoever gets the nod but that’s it. I’m done.
A heated campaign??? How so? Gingrich's so called campaign assumed room temperature months ago. If he'd had the sense, humility and decency to drop out then we'd have a chance to beat mitt. But no...newtie's fat ego and creepy adulterous mistress / wife wouldn't allow that. He can choke on his hopes for support from this Santorum supporter!
As I see things, there are now only five choices left for conservatives.
1. Listen to the calls of the Republican leadership and some conservatives like Herman Cain to “get behind Romney.”
2. Give up and go home, and either not vote or pull a reluctant lever with no enthusiasm and little if any campaigning for whatever candidate is left in the primary and general election.
3. Try to go third-party, most likely with the Constitution Party, either to send a message to the Republican leadership that they can't take conservatives for granted or as a serious effort to turn the GOP into the Whigs of 2012, but in both cases knowing there's no realistic chance of defeating Obama this year.
4. Get behind Ron Paul as a protest vote, since even he knows he has no chance at winning.
5. Get behind Newt Gingrich as the only conservative candidate left in the Republican primary who has any chance of winning.
#1 (Romney) and #4 (Paul) are outright verboten on Free Republic, and for good reason. #2 and #3 are giving up on the 2012 race, believing that either Romney or Obama are going to win this year no matter what we do.
I'm not a defeatist. Therefore, I think #5 makes the most sense.
Does anyone else have a better idea that actually has a chance of beating Romney and then Obama? I don't.
Let's try to forget the bad blood. For those who can't, I understand why some people sincerely cannot in good conscience work for Gingrich. If that's your view, please at least choose option #2, stand down, and let those of us who still want to defeat Romney try to do so.
That job is going to be hard enough as it is.
And president Palin re-elected in 2024 !
This is a Gingrich thread? I’m just stating why Gingrich is not going to get my support. While Santorum was running, Gingrich supporters felt it necessary to come on nearly every thread and post negative comments about Santorum.
Santorum should've exited before FL but with a task to complete for the establishment, he refused. With more then 30 days of no traction, he refused. When Newt had more than 3 delegates for every 1 of his, he refused. By March the damage was done.
Now that Romney's fat lady is warming up, with his job done Santorum bails out to save his dignity before losing Pennsylvania and ending his chance at "his turn" or the future nomination.
Santorum's followers have to choose: are they active conservatives or drop-out Romneybots?
I guess the debate is still on. Newt should debate anyway. I haven’t heard that it’s not.
You sound like you have mental problems. Maybe too many days out of sight of land. You really might ought to sign off and go swab a poop deck somewhere till you come to your senses.
Wow. The title of the thread is, "Gingrich Seeks to Absorb Santorum Backers". If that is Newt's goal, I would have to ask why his supporters are acting in direct opposition to it? Or do you think insulting and demeaning Rick supporters will help rally them to Newt's side?
Newt got 5 percent in Wisconsin.
If he wants to demonstrate that he is a viable alternative to Romney, then he has to win some states.
The irony is delicious that the same folks that the Newt people were castigating for supporting ‘Santuckabee’, are now the same people that the Newt folks are wooing.
“Santorum should’ve exited before FL”
He had one state and so did Newt. Newt has never lead in the state count at any point in this entire primary.
“By March the damage was done.”
Santorum won 10 states. 10. Gingrich won 2, but cost Santorum four, meaning that Gingrich’s participation at best netted Romney 2 states.
If Gingrich had withdrawn after losing Florida, Santorum would have won 15 states, and would have topped Romney in the delegate count. Then we’d be talking about Santorum taking PA and the remainder of the South.
But now we’re left with Gingrich. So, congratulations. You got what you wanted and best of all, no more Santuckabee. But as I said earlier, you might not like what you get.
Personally his campaign smells of loser, wouldn’t you agree?
I’m not sure what Santorum supporters net by supporting Fiscal liberal Gingrich over fiscal conservative Paul.
And that’s exactly why I’m not going to support Gingrich either.
Actions have consequences.
Also, Gingrich is a Wilsonian, by his own admission.
“5. Get behind Newt Gingrich as the only conservative candidate left in the Republican primary who has any chance of winning.”
What chance does he have, when he’s getting 5 percent in Wisconsin?
Show me how you can get to 1155 with Newt? I don’t see it. He’s never even lead in delegates, at any point of the race.
Here’s what I see happening.
Romney gets 70+ percent from here on out, in every state, a la McCain. He hits 1155 before Texas.
The only choice for conservatives now is 3, not 5.
Mark Levin gets it. You don't, txrangerette.
If the no. #1 issue for Newt and his supporters was "stopping Romney", they would have thrown their support to Rick Santorum weeks ago when it was clear he was the only conservative competative with Romney, and Newt couldn't win a single state besides his own after S.C. The only thing "getting behind Newt" will do now is help Newtie retire his campaign debts. For hardcore Newt supporters, it's ALWAYS been about stroking Newt's ego and giving the "master professor" public speaking time to "educate" people -- NOT "stopping Romney". The choice was Liberty or Tyranny, and the Newt supporters choose Tyranny rather than have to vote for a conservative not named "Newt".
Santorum only dropped out a couple of days ago and that is a potential game-changer. Let's give Gingrich time to come up with a plan. He's done the impossible before by becoming Speaker of the House so maybe he can come up with a plan this time that works. It's a slim chance, but a slim chance is better than none.
If you want to go third-party now, rather than back Gingrich while Gingrich still has at least a slim chance of winning he Republican race, that's your call.
We've already got people on Free Republic promoting the Constitution Party. Ron Paul supporters in my area are making sounds of revolt. If Paul goes to the Libertarians (where he probably should have started anyway) and a serious effort is made to promote a Constitution Party candidate, between the two they may actually win a few percentage points nationally and more in some places. In a close race that's enough to make a difference in some states.
I think third-party bids are usually a waste of time, but this year could be different. The problem is that any third-party bid this year is going to make Obama’s re-election nearly certain instead of extremely likely.
“Let’s give Gingrich time to come up with a plan.”
Gingrich doesn’t have time. That’s the problem. We’re already more than halfway through the primary season and Romney has a commanding delegate lead.
How does Gingrich plan to overcome Romney in the head to head? He beat Romney in Georgia, and South Carolina, that’s it.
“He’s done the impossible before”
He was leading in all the republican polls in December, and translated that into a win in South Carolina and Georgia. If he’s accomplished the impossible, it’s going from being the frontrunner to polling behind Ron Paul.
“It’s a slim chance, but a slim chance is better than none.”
We have limited resources. What’s the return on investment for Gingrich? On Monday he was insisting that we should all get behind Romney for the good of the party?
By backing a third party, it costs us nothing, and we ensure the field is clear for 2016. Backing Gingrich is just throwing good money after bad.
“that’s your call.”
I see no way he wins another state, let alone takes the nomination.
“If Paul goes to the Libertarians (where he probably should have started anyway) and a serious effort is made to promote a Constitution Party candidate, between the two they may actually win a few percentage points nationally and more in some places.”
You seriously underestimate the revolt against Romney by the party. Romney is not going to beat Obama, and pushing Paul as a libertarian option is far better than pushing Gingrich, who had given up on Monday anyways.
Gingrich is trying to sucker us into covering his bills.
“The problem is that any third-party bid this year is going to make Obamas re-election nearly certain instead of extremely likely.”
True, but there are worse things. One of pro abortion, pro gay marriage parties has to die. Killing the Republicans off is better then supporting them at this point.
If Gingrich wants to run for the presidency, he should announce that he’s leaving the party.
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