Skip to comments.This Level Headed FReeper is *NOT* voting for Romney (VANITY)
Posted on 04/10/2012 6:20:28 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing
With all of the chicanery that the GOP-E has done over the last year, and helped the media to do over the last year, there's NO WAY I'm surrendering to these creeps.
Romney is *NOT* our candidate! He's their candidate, we're NOT REPUBLICANS! We are conservatives and constitutionalists FIRST. We believe in small government! Not this big government crap that Romney has peddled for the better half of the last decade or two, and I certainly can't do any more nose holding at the ballot box.
Voting for a big government republican is the real world equivalent of cutting off my nose to spite my face. That I refuse to do.
Reforming the GOP into a small government conservative party doesn't just mean voting for the right tea partiers at the right time. It means refusing to vote for the wrong big government republicans at the wrong time. We need to starve the beast of votes. We need to teach the republican party that if they have any shot at electoral success in the future, they only have one viable path. Bold colors BOLD COLORS BOLD COLORS
Amen. I've done 6 presidential elections by voting for the default (R), and the national debt just keeps going up. No more.
I am out. This BS has got to end. I will help end it. The party is just a blob of liberals and Romney will get smeared. Can you believe how they are cramming Haley what’s her name down our throats as Sarah LIGHT!! Rubio is finished with his “amnesty” bull crap. Some are saying this will finish whats left of the party. You cannot even name the chairman of the party!! This is WHIGS 2 and we now need a 3rd party to fish these losers.
I once thought that we might be better off with Obama in that Romney would end up turning in the GOP into a liberal party, leaving the conservatives with no home. But the more I know Obama, the more I realize that if he wins this election, the GOP is done, and so is the entire conservative movement. He’ll appoint at least two more Supreme Court justices like Kagan. It will be the end of capitalism. Very likely the end of the the republic itself. If he wins, the next 10 or 20 Presidents will be liberal Democrats. He’ll usher in 100 years of one-party rule, like they had in Mexico.
He may beat Romney anyway, and that will be the end in any event, but at least I will be able to say that I voted for his opponent.
If I vote for Romney, and he turns out to be as bad as I expect, I can easily join the chorus of dissent against him.
You are so awed and frightened by Obama that you assume he's not capable of failing when he tries to do those things? You are so terrified and cowed of him, that you think everybody else in American and in Washington is going to roll over right along with you?
Your post is the epitome of blind fear, which has you willing to vote FOR Romney to surrender the Republican party to liberalism. As if voting for liberalism is somehow going to end it; as if cowardice is somehow not going to lose the battle AND the war.
All the things YOU think are certain with an Obama relection may or may not come to pass, but here's a certainty for you: if Romney gets the White House, liberalism WILL GROW STRONGER IN BOTH PARTIES and conservatism will be greatly weakened in the Republican party. There's not guessing, no crystal ball is needed -- it's simply a matter of common sense.
Here's another certainty for you: if Obama gets re-elected, conservatives will grow stronger in the Republican party and Obama will be at least as despised across America as he is now, very probably MUCH MORE despised.
I think your demon analogy has merit. And it scares the crap out of me at the same time. Because I think it’s too close to the truth for comfort.
They are the worse kind of enemy, because some people who know better still defend them!
They are Sunshine Conservatives, when it dark or looking bad, QUICK WE NEED BOB DOLE OR GERALD FORD, someone who will lose graciously.
What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?
I’m with you! And when obama wins Rove and company can blame you and me for not voting for their man when, if the truth be known, another four years of obama is what they want.
Of course they couldn’t blame us for 2008 since we DID vote for their man mccain.
So you’re supporting no standards?
Sitting on the couch to teach the republicans a lesson got us this mess...you are willing to do it again????? Romney isn’t my 1st choice either...I’d love Allen West, but am I going to vote for Romney over obama, you bet your bippy I am!!!!!!
“but here’s a certainty for you: if Romney gets the White House, liberalism WILL GROW STRONGER IN BOTH PARTIES and conservatism will be greatly weakened in the Republican party.”
THAT is the pivot point. THAT is the fact on which the whole future hinges.
When I tried to vote from foreign countries, including third world ****-holes, the liberals made damned sure my vote was not counted. The GOP did nothing to stop them.
The GOP’s current frontrunner is not very differant from the typical politician of our opponents.
I see no reason to vote for the GOP’s grinning idiot.
“Because I think its too close to the truth for comfort.”
You know it is. These are both on their records spectaculary evil men, who are for the most part in perfect accord on policy decisions.
If the party refuses to listen, your advice is???
Apparently - to toe the party line.
The remaining states left to vote have 1,053 delegates.
States with 1,233 delegates have voted so far.
There are more unpredictable possibilities now that we’re down to a one-on-one race. It was the vote-splitting among conservatives between Rick and Newt that has been losing races and delegates for the past several weeks.
If Newt and Rick combine their delegates, they need 732 more to win.
Romney needs 488 more to win.
So Newt and Rick only need 244 more than Romney does to win.
Keep in mind Romney has almost never won over 50% of the vote in the states he’s won. This is a VERY different race now and many of the remaining states (shown below) look favorable to conservatives.
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Sad that some will do “defeat Obama at any cost” even if that cost is killing conservatism forever. Sad how blind some lemmings are.
I’m no fan of Romney either - but it won’t really matter WHAT values we hold dear if Obama gets back in because there won’t be a free country in which to hold ANY values which are not those of that nightmare in the White House, so...come November I’ll do what I have to do, likely holding my nose the whole time.
Then a lot of people (including me) will not live to see the next election, because I will not be separated from my firearms without taking a few of the punks with me. They need to understand: if the local or state or federal cops come with confiscation orders, WE WILL KILL THEM. That is the core of the 2nd Amendment. Our nation began this way on April 19, 1775, and I will sure not disappoint my ancestors.
I’ve decided that we are all committing a slow national suicide anyway. Why poison ourselves when we can do it with a gun to the mouth?
Voting Obama after much deliberation. Bring on the civil war.
I don’t even get a chance to vote on the nominee, because my primary (Texas) isn’t until the end of next month. If I had been able to vote early in the primary season, Romney would have been pretty much my last choice.
The only choice we are going to have is Romney or Obama. Given a choice between a RINO and a committed socialist Hugo Chávez wannabe, I have to vote for the RINO. We cannot survive 4 more years of Obamanation.
so keeping obama in office to finish off this country will make republicans stronger....i don’t think it’ll matter, there won’t be anything left to save.
I have actually considered this. Kind of like the reverse of the frog-boiling analogy. Obama doing evil all at once will wake the sleepers.
Oh, but my conscience...
Perhaps it won’t come to that. There’s still time. Perhaps there’s another alternative we’re not seeing just now that will become apparent.
But bippies went out with Rowan and Martin.
PA hasn’t gone GOP since 1988. Don’t need it to win, either.
“Voting Obama after much deliberation.”
I will never vote for Obama for precisely the same reasons I will never vote for Romney:
They are each morally depraved, sociopathic, autocratic statists who bear guilt for many infanticides.
Romney will prove to be more competent and diligent in those areas should he win, but my position is real simple. I will not knowingly assist an evil man’s ascent to power, period.
Interesting moniker you have selected.
Keep trying and work harder. More conservatives need to realize it all starts at the local level. Yakking on the internet is fun and a useful way to network, but perhaps you'd be surprised at how much more can be done at the local, city, county, district, etc, level. That's how conservatives influence and takeover the GOP. And we are doing just that. Tea Party folks, movement conservatives, etc, have made unbelievable strides at the local and state level. It didn't work out at the national level this time around, but if we keep pushing from the bottom up we will be more successful going forward.
Screaming at that establishment that you'll refuse to vote for Republican nominee's only makes them ignore you. If you announce your not part of their party, then why should they pay any attention to you? Better to just take over from within.
Exactly, that is my thinking. Voting is not going to undo this entrenched system. Anyone who thinks so is incredibly naive. Time to wake the hell up.
My conscience lets me because I’ve finally realized the absolute gravity of the situation.
The idea is that the one more evil will overplay their hand.
We’ve been selecting the “less than evil” for far too long. There IS no turning back, and its time to realize that. Stop the slow suicide. Speed it up. Get it over with.
Hope you're ready for R2/CW2.
And what is your plan to get your boy in there in place of Romney?
All of these pussies whining about Romney claim to stand on principle as they ride the US down the communist shithole of Democrat policies with Obama still in office.
A viable plan I'll support against Romney. A tantrum "just to show the e-GOP who is boss" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of given Obama's track record in three short years and what he's sure to accomplish with a cowed GOP in charge of the House and possibly the Senate over another term.
They won't let you. Now what?
One might look at the facts of the sweeping Tea Party / GOP victories of the 2010 Election and suggest...
...and further, the only reason Mittens is the candidate is because FIVE! conservatives decided to split the baby rather than coalesce, right to this very minute.
Here's another certainty for you: in the next four years, Antonin Scalia and Anthony Kennedy will each turn 80 years old. If Obama gets to replace either one of them, a far left-wing Supreme Court will be legislating from the bench for the next 30 years. There are also dozens of appellate court and district court judges that will be filled for life during the next 4 years.
Then there is Obamanation healthcare deform. Unless the Supreme Court throws out the entire monstrosity this summer, the only way to get rid of it will be with a Republican President and a Republican controlled House and Senate. If Obama gets re-elected, he will veto any bill to rescind Obamanation healthcare deform that makes it out of Congress.
A lot of good conservatives refused to vote for McCain in 2008. How's that hopey changey thing been working out for you?
There’s nothing level-headed about your comments, and, if your vote doesn’t count, then somebody else’s will count double in the other direction.
Here’s my comments from another discussion:
Romney was not my choice, and, to me, he was the worst of the group that ran for the GOP nomination, but...
Its over, and now, we have to support him, even if reluctantly, because, at the end of the day, hes many times better than the destroyer-in-chief now living at the White House.
So, I will not sit home hoping for the best, and I will not sit home in protest of what the GOP gave us, and I will not wait till 2016 to try to rescue this country. Now is the time to work to get rid of Obama via our votes. We dont have a choice, and voting for a third party candidate wont give us what we want. Its time for Obama to go, and voting for the worst that our party gives us, is much better than allowing the worst of presidents ever to continue destroying the country.
I think the reason democrats stick together is because they know when their party is in control it actually does what it promises to do. Whereas we are forced to nominate someone who might as well be a democrat. The republican party has too many country club, elitists who are basically democrats. Democrats don’t have any conservatives in their party.
If you believe that, then you are paying absolutely no attention whatsoever to what is happening at the local and state level.
The Tea Party/Movement conservative revolution in 2010 has produced incredible results. The establishment held on at the national level for a number of reasons, but that is no reason to throw up your hands and give up. Take a look at what Walker got done in Wisconsin, massive education reforms in places like Louisiana, some of things Republicans have gotten done in Florida, the overall focus on reducing union power in many/most of the states the Republicans took over (which by the way, is a dagger right to the heart of the progressive movement), etc.
Listening to some of you people I almost believe many of you, perhaps most, pay no attention to what is going on at the local level.
I will go on record.I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A PROABORTION CANDIDATE OF EITHER PARTY, NOR WILL I VOTE FOR A proabortion independent candidate. I draw the line at abortion. I will die one day and will stand in front of my God and be judged for my life here on earth. I am registered independent- no affiliation. It is out of my hands. I could care less what other people think, I could care less what other people say. The republican party brought this on themselves. God is in control. Maybe God will tear this mess down and start over, or end it all..Call names, make threats, make fun of other people and their convictions. You are as corrupt as the system you claim to fight.. I curse the republican elites and all who support them. I curse the Democrats and the evil man who leads them.. So say I. Now, please commence with your laughter, verbal abuse, slander and inuendo..
My question is, what's the point? I assure you that you will not change one person's mind who have already decided to Vote for Romney in the General over Pharaoh Obama.
Your words will only validate those who share your all or nothing view, even it means reelecting a President who is the worst threat to our Constitution since the inception of our Country.
I am a Newt Supporter. If there is a razor thin chance that he can somehow get to the Convention using some splintered Santorum Delegates to get there, I will hold out hope. I am not betting my Country on it though.
Now, if Mitt Romney is the last man standing, and we all know he got there with the majority of Republican Primary Voters supporting him, what does abandoning the Republican Electorate accomplish? Why the answer is as clear as the nose on your face, it insures the Democrat Party will run roughshod over what remains of our Republic for another four years, if not forty or four hundred.
Another result of pushing an agenda of not supporting the Republican Nominee will the impact it will have on every Political Office down the Ballot.
After all, if the most important Vote is no Vote at all, why bother to even show up at the Polls? Maybe that won't apply in your case, but if the idea catches on that Romney will treat the Office of the Presidency in the same manner as Obama already has, all hope is gone.
Not only will Pharaoh Obama rule, and rest assured he will Rule and not Govern, he will have a Democrat House, Senate and within two years an ironclad Liberal Supreme Court to insure his Rulings will alter the course of American History.
The idea that the Country will magically wake up after eight years of Obama and insist on Conservative Governance is a fantasy. We will reach the point of no return one minute after our Candidate concedes the Election this coming November.
I will Vote Anybody But Obama, but you can do what you like.
After all, this is a Free Country, at least it is right now, sort of...
I agree. They, along with The Dems, are part of the "ruling class." They would prefer an R in office But above all it must be a big government establishment figure. They fear the people.
And they should.
Q & A
Q: The GOP’s recent “moderate” presidential candidates ...
What is their strongest area of expertise?
A: Gracious concession speeches.
Sure sorry to see Santorum drop out.
Mittens is a pro-”choice,” anti-gun, pro-illegal alien, tax-loving, lefty looser, and he has been for years.
Why any conservative would consider supporting Obama’s older, evil brother Romney is beyond me as well.
Over the last twenty five years I served as a Republican precinct chairman, attended conventions from the county to the district to the state to national levels. I have been involved in camapaigns at all levels, in most all parts of the country. I have firm political affiliations with principled conservatives in all 50 states, and speak several times weekly with many of them.
So, your assumptions couldn't be more wrong.
I agree with Palin. Romney will be infinitely better than O.
Count me ABO.
Not really. It's been diluted down to virtually nothing by Romney Republican hacks.
The first lecture the "Tea Party Congressmen" got when they hit Capitol Hill was from John Boehner telling them they would be a bunch of babies if they didn't support raising the debt ceiling two and a half trillion dollars. Which most of them ended up doing, in one form or another.
So, your assumptions couldn't be more wrong.
And yet you dispute how much impact the incoming Tea Party/movement conservative have been at the local and state level? For maybe the first time I can EVER remember, we are actually aggressively going after the Democrat/union goon alliance. Success at that single issue alone is, quite literally, like a driving a dagger through the heart of the Democrat vampire. We've passed school choice initiatives in several states, tuition rules are being changed just about everywhere Republicans have the numbers to force the changes through, voter ID laws being pushed in many states where it would have been unthinkable prior to 2010, gun restrictions repealed or dropped at the local and state level almost across the board, etc, etc.
I just don't see with your level of involvement and activism how you can possible be depressed.
I have yet to see anyone tell me one thing that conservatives don’t have to concede for Romney.
He won’t touch the EPA. The marxist indoctrination in our schools will continue. The illegal invasion will continue. Government intrusions into our lives will continue. The out of control spending will continue and the over taxation will continue.
All the while he’ll have John McCain, Lindsey Graham and their friends on the other side of the aisle helping him do it.