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This Level Headed FReeper is *NOT* voting for Romney (VANITY)

Posted on 04/10/2012 6:20:28 PM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing

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To: VeniVidiVici
A tantrum "just to show the e-GOP who is boss" ...

... is a totally mistaken summation on your part. You sound like, who was it, Dan Rather who said "Americans had a tantrum last night" when Republicans won? Tantrums are for children, and accusing your compatriots of having them when they reject how you want them to vote, is for people who think they're smarter than everybody else. It graitifes your ego to think in terms of tantrums, when the reality is you're out in left field -- tantrums have no more to do with it than baseball has to do with cats.

My voting against both Obama AND Romney and going third party is a thought-out strategy for the specific purpose of CHANGING THE DIRECTION OF THE GOP.

Take your "tantrum," sit on it, and rotate.

201 posted on 04/11/2012 9:56:25 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

The Executive is just one branch of government, not the king.

Elect conservatives in both houses, send conservative legislation to Romney and hold his feet to fire. If he wavers, oppose and defeat him in the next primary.

Obama is a whole order of magnitude worse than almost any alternative.

Sitting this one out, not defeating Obama, is not wise; it’s a childish tantrum.


202 posted on 04/11/2012 10:10:12 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Persevero
I don’t see myself as voting FOR Romney this election. I see it as a vote AGAINST Obama, and I am ok with that.

Sure, you'll be voting AGAINST Obama, but don't look now, but you'll also be voting FOR something. You'll be voting FOR taking the Replican party so far left that it is headed by a guy philosophically FOR: state-run health care, tax-funded abortion on demand, forced acceptance of the homosexual agenda, appointment of liberal activist judges (see Romney's DOCUMENTED record on his appointments in Massachusetts), and cap-and-trade glogal warming regulation.

Voting for Romney is as nuts as voting for Obama.

May I suggest: vote ABOOR so that whichever bastard wins, wins with the most anemic plurality possible and therefore goes into office as politically weakened as possible.

203 posted on 04/11/2012 10:21:52 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: arthurus
... electing Obamaclone is NOT beating Obama. It is setting the kenyan’s gains in stone and enhancing them ...

THANK YOU for stating common sense. And PISS ON people who think voting against Romney is the same as indulging a "temper tantrum."

Also, in the words of a great American patriot: PISS ON MITT ROMNEY.

204 posted on 04/11/2012 10:27:58 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Finny

“May I suggest: vote ABOOR so that whichever bastard wins,”

I just don’t see Obama and Romney as moral equivalents. Romney is way better than Obama; although not nearly the President I would like.

Say I want a “10.” Obama is a “0.” Romney is a “5.”

I’m not promoting Romney as a 9 or 10. I see him for what he is. But I’d rather a 5 in the presidency than a 0.

Anyway, my primary is in June, and I’ll be voting for Newt along with several members of my family. This isn’t over yet, and we still have a convention coming up.


205 posted on 04/11/2012 10:52:01 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: caww

Like I said earlier, a vote for Romney, is a vote against Obama, and that’s all that counts right now.

Furthermore, I’m voting for Romney, not because I endorse his positions, but, because I’m against everything that Obama stands for.

The biggest reason, and perhaps the only reason to support Romney, is because of the biggest issue of our time, that being the economy. Romney is infinitely more qualified than Obama when it comes to economic issues.

When it comes to the rest of the issues, I’ve already stated that, there are ways to oppose or neutralize Romney, the biggest way being keeping a republican house, and electing a republican senate.

The other means of controlling or neutralizing Romney, is through the tea-party type protests, and, hopefully, Romney and the republicans will be listening again, like they were back in 2009 and 2010, when the tea-party basically won congress for them.

BTW, saying NO to Romney may make you feel good, but, there is nothing good about helping to re-elect Obama.


206 posted on 04/11/2012 11:04:14 AM PDT by adorno
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To: Persevero

Godspeed Newt!


207 posted on 04/11/2012 11:08:14 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: adorno
I do not vote "against" , I vote "for" a candidate. Since when has a vote against any candidate won?????... Name one time when voting against any President it has worked for conservativisim. It doesn't.

A vote "for" Romney means you and others are supporting his agenda. You cannot say your "against everything that Obama stands for", and then turn around and vote for his twin.

....“The greatest paradigm shifts in a culture rarely come about as a result of the majority, but usually from a minority who refuses to compromise their beliefs.”....

I will not support someone who is opposed to all my beliefs and is more than deceptive in what he spews from his mouth...not now...not ever.

You go right ahead and hitch your wagon to Romney's sled....support him all you want...and I would expect that would mean your pocketbook as well...that is your right as a voter....I will not.

And BTW a vote for Newt is a vote "for" a candidate far far superior to either Romney and certainly Obama.

So Go Newt Go!!!!!

208 posted on 04/11/2012 11:34:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: adorno
I do not vote "against" , I vote "for" a candidate. Since when has a vote against any candidate won?????... Name one time when voting against any President it has worked for conservativisim. It doesn't.

A vote "for" Romney means you and others are supporting his agenda. You cannot say your "against everything that Obama stands for", and then turn around and vote for his twin.

....“The greatest paradigm shifts in a culture rarely come about as a result of the majority, but usually from a minority who refuses to compromise their beliefs.”....

I will not support someone who is opposed to all my beliefs and is more than deceptive in what he spews from his mouth...not now...not ever.

You go right ahead and hitch your wagon to Romney's sled....support him all you want...and I would expect that would mean your pocketbook as well...that is your right as a voter....I will not.

And BTW a vote for Newt is a vote "for" a candidate far far superior to either Romney and certainly Obama.

So Go Newt Go!!!!!

209 posted on 04/11/2012 11:58:48 AM PDT by caww
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To: Finny

It’s not a GUESS that Obama will march headlong as fast as he can to continue dismantling this country and doing a fast end-run around the Constitution. That’s FACT. It’s already begun and periodically we get a glimpse of what he has in mind for the next 4 years should people be misguided enough to vote for him. Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it. I never said he was unbeatable, unstoppable or any of the things you have said. What I AM saying, however, is that those who deem themselves above voting for the Republican candidate because he’s not __________ enough for them (fill in the blank with the adjective of your choosing or your favorite social issue) are playing with fire because if he wins the nomination he will be the ONLY candidate running against O. with any chance of winning. That’s not a guess either. It’s fact. I never roll over, but I’m not giving up our country by cutting my nose off to spite my face. Voting AGAINST O. IS fighting back!!


210 posted on 04/11/2012 12:03:58 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: Persevero

Agreed on that! Our state nominated Santorum. Frankly none of the candidates make me jump up and down with glee, but at this point Mickey Mouse is better than 4 more years of the Zero.


211 posted on 04/11/2012 12:07:13 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: adorno

Solid points. I will only vote Romney if he ends up being the nominee. I did not vote for him in the primary and would not vote to GIVE him the nomination, but if he’s the only game in town at the end of the day and the only thing standing between us and evil incarnate, well, for me that’s a no-brainer. The Tea-Party will continue to be a factor, but it’s just not strong enough right now to take on and WIN against a major political machine like the two party system we have now.


212 posted on 04/11/2012 12:11:54 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH

Keep in mind Mickey Mouse is in favor of recalling Gov. Walker in Wisconsin.....


213 posted on 04/11/2012 12:18:49 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Psalm 144

“He is supporting conservatives.”

Conservatives like Obama it appears


214 posted on 04/11/2012 12:20:08 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: caww

I’ll be voting for Newt in the primary.

But I’ll vote for whoever the nominee is against Obama. It’s a no-brainer for me.

I remember very similar arguments when Ford, instead of Reagan, was the nominee against Jimmy Carter. And a lot of folks stayed home while Carter won a close race.

We are still paying for the disaster of the Carter presidency. I think it is most unwise to repeat with Obama.


215 posted on 04/11/2012 12:35:47 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
When you endorse a candidate, it simply means that you publicly give them your approval and support. You give them your personal thumbs-up! I cannot do so for Romney.

There is Newt and I don't understand why conservatives are simply throwing in the towel and supporting Romney....it's like they cannot get of the nedia train that's determined to take us all toward another 4 yrs. of Obama....

I don't think I'm the only one that has stated no to Romney....and I simply cannot be convinced , if Newt drops out, that I could face God by supporting Romney. Simply can't put my hand to the voting both and do that as Romney's devotion to that which clearly opposes Christianity will validate to Mormons acceptablility and they will promote that they have won that approval by Romney.s win....overwhelmingly if he wins.

So I have both political and religious reasons for NOT voting for Romney.....just cannot do so D-fender. And none have convinced me this is something God would have me to do. In fact voting for either Romney or Obama is voting for a heathen President.

216 posted on 04/11/2012 12:47:38 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Thanks for your reply.

For me, I don’t think it’s anything more than doing the right thing, or at least the most right thing, at the ballot box for the future of my country.

And I’m with you on being perplexed at voters not selecting Newt instead of Romney; but, these are the facts we have to act on. I’ll still vote for Newt in the primary and pray a lot.

And I respect your views even though I don’t share them.


217 posted on 04/11/2012 1:07:03 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Paradox

That is wise.


218 posted on 04/11/2012 1:50:53 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: eyedigress

Not sure to whom you are referring, but in any event the recall or not of a specific governor doesn’t trump seeing O.’s backside come January 2013. Not for me. He has to go - that’s a non-negotiable for me as I would hope it would be for every conservative in this country. The stakes are just too high to play “Yes, but....” with every Republican nominee. There are things I didn’t like about Bush - both father and son, and yet I pulled the lever on both because the other choice was unthinkable. It has nothing to do with liking everything someone stands for and everything with saving the country.


219 posted on 04/11/2012 3:48:00 PM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH

I think you summed it up concisely here:

“The stakes are just too high...”


220 posted on 04/11/2012 5:12:55 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: caww

Newt was my preferred candidate too, but, he’s realistically out of it.

Now, voting against someone is the same as keeping him from continuing his agenda and his damaging ways. It’s just one way of looking at things.

Voting for Romney is not necessarily endorsing his agenda or policies, but, it’s a way of getting someone in there who is not as dangerous as the Marxist in the White House now, and to me, getting rid of Obama is the number one priority, and getting Romney elected is not a priority at all. But, we have to face the realities, and that is, a vote for Romney is a way to get rid of Obama. Getting rid of Obama is what we need. We can control or neutralize Romney with a more conservative congress.

Not voting doesn’t work at all for conservatism. And, though we’ve heard it millions of times, sometimes, voting for the lesser of two evils might not be the best strategy, but, right now, we do have to get rid of the bigger evil.


221 posted on 04/12/2012 6:22:56 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
Once again....Men and woman died so that we might vote “for” candidates of our choosing. I see nothing in that about voting “against” a candidate...

But this is no longer about voting for a conservative it's more that those supporting Romney are voting against NEWT.

Refusal to vote for a conservative on the ballot for President (Newt)....and more than experienced and able to do the job for conservatism over that of a well known and established liberal (Romney) defies reason.

Not one individual on this thread has a valid reason for rejecting Newt...rather their arguments are that of voting ‘for’ Romney.....thus against Newt....not Obama.,if they want to play that game.

Do you not see the confusion and utter insanity? Newt can only present himself in the venues who aren't totally opposing his run because Obama does not want to debate Newt....even his campaign people have said as much. It is up to the voter to listen where he can and seek Newt out on line where he stand son the issues....the press will continue to block him out...because they want Romney so that Obama wins. So no....voting "against" Obama when the primary isn't over and Newt's still running, is a vote against Newt...not Obama.

222 posted on 04/12/2012 12:35:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

There comes a time when reality needs to set in into people’s brains.

My preferred candidates, one by one, go eliminated via the votes. That included Santorum and even Gingrich, and what’s left is not at all what I wanted. But, what I despise is a lot better than allowing the idiot currently in the White House to stay there.

I don’t care how you view the candidate that remains, and I don’t care how you view your politics or the reason behind your politics. I just care about getting rid of the Marxist in the White House, and no amount of justification for not voting for Romney is going to change the fact that, Romney is a lot better than keeping Obama in power.

You can do as you wish. This is a free country, and you can even throw your vote away foolishly, or stay at home. Either way, you won’t be counted, and you could be one of those that helps re-elect Obama. It’s as simple as that, and you don’t need to keep trying to convince others of your principled approach towards voting. I get it, and you still won’t get what you wish. Reality is that, we have Romney, like him or hate him.


223 posted on 04/12/2012 8:33:27 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
Newt is still in this race...the primary is not over...why are you're yielding to the media/Obama pressure to jump on their wagon for Romney...there's still half of the Americans who have not voted...anything can happen between now and then.

Newt said he would wait until the two frontrunners errored or dropped out...Well Santorum is out and Romney continues to error ....Newt's had to manuver this race on very little funding....just like he moved Congress with very little support as Speaker...and he got us what we wanted.

Romney is not where he needs to be delegate wise?.... Also the history of how Reagan came from behind and won because he had big ideas and sensible plans for getting us out of the then liberal establishment in Washington with the 2nd most liberal president in history!

Romney now is Bush then. Gingrich now is Reagan then. Gingrich has the ideas and the fighting spirit. Romney, like Bush is simply the "manager in chief."

Nothing is inevitable until the primaries are over. And even then, it's more and more likely now that we will have the 1st brokered convention in over 80 years.... Also look at the 08 Dem primaries where Clinton was ahead until the bitter end when Obama finally surged.

You can't predict these things, and you certainly can't go with the conventional wisdom, because it is almost always wrong.

Newt's still in...and I will do all I can to support and help him take this to His win...and he can still do that...or to convention...I will not yield to the forces that be until the finish line...and Gods not done yet!

224 posted on 04/12/2012 8:48:24 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Hey, I voted for Gingrich in the primary in Florida, and I do so wish that there was a way for him to pull it out, but, it’s very unlikely, and as of today, most of what we can hope for is either a miracle or someway for him to help set the agenda in the convention and going from there into the “Romney presidency”.

It’s time to get practical, and my preferred “candidates” aren’t going to pull it out. The odds are very heavy against Newt. If the miracle does happen, then, I’ll be very happy to go vote for him. Heck, maybe he can do the debates and Romney can get the votes. ;)

Now, Newt is very valuable, and, he can be very useful to Romney, by helping with the speeches and debates. No one else has the experience and knowledge that he has.


225 posted on 04/13/2012 9:08:05 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
I'm not interested in what Newt can or not do for Romney...not in the least. ..and neither is Newt. You either take him or leave him and that's the bottom line. He won't be "serving" Romney's adminsration by any means and has said as much...at most he'd be an advisor as he was for Bush...if that.

As for this Primary...it's just not over and it's such a disgusting thing to watch people jump onto the Romney boat believing and adhereing to the media/Romney/Obama push that they do just that when Newt hasn't made his play yet.

Since when do Freepers jump, and ask how high, when the Gop, Media, Pundits and opposition tell them to????? It certainly appears many were ready to do just that all along.

226 posted on 04/13/2012 9:22:21 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

You have it all wrong.

It’s not about jumping on the bandwagon; it’s about facing reality.

Newt has a very slim chance of becoming the nominee, and we need to move forward, even if Romney is not the best foot forward that we could have taken.

I’m not supporting the GOP pick, that being Romney, and I wish there was a way to get somebody else in there, but, the reality is that, Romney is going to be the candidate.

I didn’t say anything about Newt serving in Romney’s administration; all I said was about Newt helping Romney to get elected. Now, if Newt isn’t going to participate in the administration, perhaps there is a bigger roles for him outside of government, but, we don’t know what that is. He is an educator, so, perhaps setting up a system or a website to educate people on the issues, on government, and on politics, would be something that he could excel at. I think I have an idea for him, and perhaps you can have him call me about it. ;)


227 posted on 04/13/2012 9:36:01 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

I would rather vote third party and help Obama win than vote for another Republicrat.

I would rather watch it all burn. It’s time to teach the Republican Establishment a lesson.


228 posted on 04/21/2012 11:19:29 PM PDT by Pharsalus (Ceterum censeo, Sinis esse delendam)
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