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Philippine warship 'in stand-off with Chinese vessels'
Bbc ^ | 4:10:12

Posted on 04/10/2012 7:25:28 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch

The Philippines says its main naval vessel is engaged in a stand-off with Chinese surveillance ships at a disputed South China Sea shoal.

The Philippines said its warship tried to arrest Chinese fishermen anchored at the Scarborough Shoal, but was blocked by the two surveillance boats.

Both countries dispute the ownership of the shoal, which lies off the Philippines' northwestern coast.

The Philippine government said it would "assert sovereignty" over the area.

A statement from the county's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the naval vessel, the Gregorio Del Pilar, found eight Chinese fishing vessels at the shoal when it was patrolling the area on Sunday.

Two Chinese surveillance ships then apparently arrived in the area on Tuesday, placing themselves between the warship and the fishing vessels.

According to French news agency AFP, Philippine Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario contacted China's ambassador to the Philippines, Ma Keqing, to emphasise that the Scarborough Shoal area was "an integral part of Philippine territory".

He is said to be seeking a diplomatic solution to the situation.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; philippines; scarboroughshoal
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1 posted on 04/10/2012 7:25:30 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

Damn! The Torpedoes?

Didn’t know the Philippines had a navy. Maybe they had to get one after we left.

Ah, the days of the Olympia and ‘You may fire when ready, Gridley’.


2 posted on 04/10/2012 7:28:25 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Any coincidence that we now have TWO carrier groups off Iran...leaving us a flattop short somewheres else...Tom Clancy wrote this plot a while back...


3 posted on 04/10/2012 7:37:10 PM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: InvisibleChurch

What, exactly, is a “surveillance vessel”? Are these PLAN vessels? If so, are they armed? With what?


4 posted on 04/10/2012 7:44:54 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I guess if push comes to shove, The Philippines are out of luck unless they have some kind of agreement with Japan etc. to help them and I doubt they do.

I do like them at least trying to stand up to the bully.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 7:48:23 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: x1stcav

Here’s the Wiki page on the PI Frigate on station:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRP_Gregorio_del_Pilar_(PF-15)

It’s a relatively capable vessel despite it’s age — certainly more capable than the WWII era destroyer that made up the lion share of the “fleet” previously.

But I don’t know how much they will be able to accomplish with the two PLAN “surveillance vessels” on station unless they are willing to use deadly force. I don’t think they will.

The ChiComs are counting on the bully factor. They know that Obama is not going to lift a finger to help the Philippines.


6 posted on 04/10/2012 7:58:55 PM PDT by Ronin (Sarah.... We really need you now!)
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To: Ronin

I’m sad to say, though, that while Zero is a turd, the Filipinos brought a lot of our disinterest on themselves.

Goes back to the late 80’s and their greedy demands over base leases.

I used to be a great supporter of them but they wore me out.


7 posted on 04/10/2012 8:06:19 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: x1stcav

Tend to agree.


8 posted on 04/10/2012 8:26:37 PM PDT by Ronin (Sarah.... We really need you now!)
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To: Tallguy

The Chinese have a zillion paramilitary Coast-Guardy type agencies with a crapload of ships, one of which is China Maritime Surveillance; they aren’t PLAN but they’re used for a lot of harassment operations.

http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/9259/china-uses-surveillance-vessels-to-enforce-claims


9 posted on 04/10/2012 8:26:51 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: x1stcav

I’d bet money the USN will be back in Subic in some fashion within 5 years.


10 posted on 04/10/2012 8:27:52 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: yarddog

Interestingly the Chinese CMS ships are unarmed, I think.

The Philippine ship is an old US Coast Guard cutter; they could ventilate them with some 76mm.

The problem is that the Philippines really wants to look like a victim in this incident.


11 posted on 04/10/2012 8:38:24 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

I think you’re correct but maybe over a longer period.

Great empires lose their ability to project power when they can’t afford to and THAT will be our biggest challenge over the next twenty years or so.

In the meantime, it’s going to be flak over Berlin for us.


12 posted on 04/10/2012 8:39:43 PM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: ken5050
"Any coincidence that we now have TWO carrier groups off Iran...leaving us a flattop short somewheres else...Tom Clancy wrote this plot a while back..."

Please study the role of various naval vessels.

Carriers are for stike missions.

Frigates and Destroyers and Submarines handle Sea Control duties...especially when going up against a PLAN armada composed of two spy ships lol

13 posted on 04/10/2012 8:39:55 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ken5050
"Any coincidence that we now have TWO carrier groups off Iran...leaving us a flattop short somewheres else...Tom Clancy wrote this plot a while back..."

Please study the role of various naval vessels.

Carriers are for srtike missions.

Frigates and Destroyers and Submarines handle Sea Control duties...especially when going up against a PLAN armada composed of two spy ships lol

14 posted on 04/10/2012 8:40:17 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: ken5050
"Any coincidence that we now have TWO carrier groups off Iran...leaving us a flattop short somewheres else...Tom Clancy wrote this plot a while back..."

Please study the role of various naval vessels.

Carriers are for strike missions.

Frigates and Destroyers and Submarines handle Sea Control duties...especially when going up against a PLAN armada composed of two spy ships lol

15 posted on 04/10/2012 8:40:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

oops


16 posted on 04/10/2012 8:41:24 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I read not too long ago that Japan now has more destroyers than we do. Of course that is not the same as carrier groups but it does sound like they could be major players in any area conflicts.


17 posted on 04/10/2012 8:53:15 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: InvisibleChurch

18 posted on 04/10/2012 9:06:55 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: x1stcav
I’m sad to say, though, that while Zero is a turd, the Filipinos brought a lot of our disinterest on themselves. Goes back to the late 80’s and their greedy demands over base leases. I used to be a great supporter of them but they wore me out.

They thought the end of the Cold War meant the end of history. History has returned with a vengeance - in the form of China. East Asia's leaders are a bunch of retards. Prior to Western influence, China used to throw its weight around, annexing its neighbors on a whim. This is why China, the largest country in Asia by land area, is the 2.5x the size of India (which was assembled from dozens of South Asian kingdoms by the British Empire). How anyone could see China as this gentle panda bear is a mystery to me. But that appears to be China's image in the region. For civilizations that are alleged to be ancient, East Asians appear to pay very little attention to the lessons of history.

19 posted on 04/10/2012 9:14:29 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: AlexW; Berosus; buwaya; DFG; knarf; LadyDoc; Mark17; max americana; ut1992
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20 posted on 04/10/2012 9:23:31 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I’m sure his excellency Mr Ma is drafting a cable to request
clarification will lilkely come in the form of another PLAN ‘survey’ ship and a couple of ‘fishing vessels’ parking on the Phillipine littoral waters.


21 posted on 04/10/2012 10:00:39 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Strategerist
I’d bet money the USN will be back in Subic in some fashion within 5 years.

Paying docking fees to the Chinese most likely.

22 posted on 04/10/2012 10:40:15 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: InvisibleChurch

This is not the only Spratly conflict.
They have always argued over the Spratly islands, along with a number of other countries, as the islands sit in the middle of the south China sea in a no man’s part of the sea.


23 posted on 04/11/2012 2:01:57 AM PDT by AlexW
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To: AlexW
Geeezz .. I thought I was done learnin' geography ..


24 posted on 04/11/2012 4:12:48 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
Nice, interactive map
25 posted on 04/11/2012 4:17:55 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: AlexW
It seems the disputed Scarborough shoal is separated northeast of the group of islands and is off the western coast(s) of the Philippines.

Sort of like the weaker critter separated from the herd that the lion will attack

26 posted on 04/11/2012 4:31:25 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

Well, I learned about the Spratley Islands many years ago, as I was a DX hound in amateur radio.
There was an expedition to put Spratleys on the air...I do not remember the year, but probably 20-30 years or more in the past. The call sign had the prefix 1S, but any call starting with “1” seems to be unofficial.
I no longer remember who authorized them or gave them the call sign, but I am somewhat sure it was the Philippines.
The DXpedition team was blown out of the water and one or more were killed by pirates.

Not part of this story, but related, piracy on the seas, especially in Africa/Asia, is a very serious problem, and
international law seems to prohibit ships and crews from
protecting themselves.

It is not just the US that is being subverted by the criminals, and their paid assistance by various countries.


27 posted on 04/11/2012 5:27:32 AM PDT by AlexW
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