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Lugarís struggles increase as Tea Partyís other targets fall
The Hill ^ | April 10, 2012 | Cameron Joseph

Posted on 04/10/2012 7:26:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

The Tea Party has lost a number of its top election targets this year, leaving Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.) to emerge as public enemy No. 1 for national conservative groups — and poll numbers suggest they could get their man.

Groups including the fiscally conservative Club for Growth, Tea Party-affiliated FreedomWorks and the National Rifle Association have increasingly prioritized defeating Lugar, and social-conservative groups like Gary Bauer’s Campaign for Working Families and the Eagle Forum have endorsed Indiana state Treasurer Richard Mourdock (R), Lugar’s primary opponent.

Mourdock remains largely unknown to voters, but in a recent poll he trailed Lugar by just 7 points, 35 percent to 42. The Club for Growth and NRA are already both up with major ad buys against Lugar, and other groups plan to follow suit.

“It is a big focus of ours,” Club for Growth President Chris Chocola told The Hill.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: clubforgrowth; dicklugar; garybauer; indiana; nra; richardlugar; richardmourdock

1 posted on 04/10/2012 7:26:28 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: indiana; SeekAndFind; CORYDON; CommieCutter; nodumbblonde; nascarnation; indylindy; Bronzy; ...

This is conservatives’ #1 chance to knock off a RINO and it’s in a strongly Republican state.

RICHARD MOURDOCK FOR SENATE!!!!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 04/10/2012 7:29:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Kick out the RINO Morlock and vote for Richard Mourdock. ;-D


3 posted on 04/10/2012 7:31:56 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Having already explained how Conservatives can get control of the currently very elderly Richard Lugar, let me point out what happens if Lugar is no longer in the Senate.

First of all, that will make McConnell of Kentucky the senior most Senator in the ruling party (assuming that it's the Republicans)

Can I say that the campaign against Lugar is going to drop the Senate like a ripe banana into the waiting paws of McConnell?

I thought folks here didn't care for McConnell, but here they are campaigning against Lugar ~ with McConnell the biggest beneficiary of that campaign.

I doubt the sincerity of the institutional folks going after Lugar.

4 posted on 04/10/2012 7:32:03 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
So what? The Senate republicans have already given McConnell their leadership rather than to Lugar, so what will change? Would you rather the Senate fall into the hands of senile Lugar who has no clout apparently, even among his own peers?
5 posted on 04/10/2012 7:36:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: muawiyah

Huh ? McConnell doesn’t become the “seniormost Republican” if Lugar is defeated. That would be Orrin Hatch. And if Hatch is defeated, the next up is Thad Cochran. What are you talking about ?


6 posted on 04/10/2012 7:37:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: muawiyah

“I thought folks here didn’t care for McConnell, but here they are campaigning against Lugar ~ with McConnell the biggest beneficiary of that campaign. I doubt the sincerity of the institutional folks going after Lugar.”

Lugar is a terrible Senator. One of the worst RINO’s of all time. He needs to go and the Senate R’n need to sort out their leadership. But that’s no excuse not to dump Lugar.


7 posted on 04/10/2012 7:43:00 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: muawiyah; Lazlo in PA; cripplecreek

This is the biggest conservative opportunity in the primaries.


8 posted on 04/10/2012 7:43:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: Clintonfatigued; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Clintonfatigued.


9 posted on 04/10/2012 7:47:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
McConnell combines seniority with the fact that there are a good number of other Senators who like him ~ which is why he's minority leader.

He benefits far more than the others with Lugar out of the way.

Regarding the benefits to Conservatives, what about the benefits to the voters of Indiana who would stand in line at the front of the federal feed lot.

BTW, my proposal for Lugar is to subvert his staffers so that you can have Conservatives guide his bidding.

10 posted on 04/10/2012 7:50:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: All

“Mourdock remains largely unknown to voters...”

Admittedly, he’s State Treasurer. That’s not a high profile office where everyone knows his name. But I find it hard to believe that he’s “largely unknown”.

Anyways, I sent him $25.00 two weeks ago. Hopefully, that’ll help.


11 posted on 04/10/2012 7:51:41 PM PDT by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: All

http://richardmourdock.com/


12 posted on 04/10/2012 7:55:06 PM PDT by MplsSteve (Amy Klobuchar is no moderate. She's Al Franken with a nicer smile.)
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To: ModelBreaker
A NOTE: Not that I'm a Lugar supporter, just trying to figure out how the primary voters are going to go ~ BUT ~ when Lugar was Indianapolis Mayor he began a process that led the city from a modest standing in the top 10 Midwestern cities to a ranking next to that of Chicago (which is just a huge place).

When things like that happen it's hard to keep folks from liking you anyway.

13 posted on 04/10/2012 8:05:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“McConnell combines seniority with the fact that there are a good number of other Senators who like him ~ which is why he’s minority leader.

He benefits far more than the others with Lugar out of the way.”
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You sound like the Chairman of the RINO Preservation League.

The ONLY reason McConnell is currently the Republican Minority Leader in the Senate is because the Republican RINOs & CINOs outnumber the true conservatives in the Senate. That balance is changing (for the better) and with the new conservative Republican Senators elected in 2010 plus the new one to be elected this November, the conservatives will likely have sufficient numbers to replace McConnell with a conservative. Oh happy day!!

Support Mourdock in the primary however you can!


14 posted on 04/10/2012 8:06:41 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Clintonfatigued

Lugar hasn’t owned home or lived in Indiana for 30 years. DC has been his home.

And he has the gall to run outrageously nasty ads accusing Mourdocks “DC pals” funding his campaign.

RETIRE LUGAR


15 posted on 04/10/2012 8:07:15 PM PDT by digger48
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To: muawiyah
Can I say that the campaign against Lugar is going to drop the Senate like a ripe banana into the waiting paws of McConnell?

Psssssssssst. Muahwiyah. McConnell is already the Senate Minority Leader. Defeating Lugar won't change that...but it will remove one of his allies.

16 posted on 04/10/2012 8:15:13 PM PDT by okie01
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To: muawiyah

Lugar’s expiration date was 1988. 24 years past. Time for him to go.


17 posted on 04/10/2012 8:18:17 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: muawiyah

LOL...what twisted logic. Nice try.


18 posted on 04/10/2012 8:24:23 PM PDT by teg_76
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To: Clintonfatigued

I like mourdock but I’m concerned as to whether or not he can beat Donnelly....and we sure don’t need a democrap as senator!!!


19 posted on 04/10/2012 9:05:44 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Looks like the RINO hunters may get at trophy.


20 posted on 04/10/2012 9:09:38 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: terycarl

Indiana is a strongly Republican state and Obama is unpopular here. I’m not that worried about Mourdock losing the general election.


21 posted on 04/10/2012 9:20:18 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: muawiyah

“First of all, that will make McConnell of Kentucky the senior most Senator in the ruling party (assuming that it’s the Republicans)”

Just how do you come up with that assertion? Both Lugar and Hatch were sworn in on exactly the same date, January 3, 1977, so how do you find Lugar to be the senior guy?


22 posted on 04/10/2012 10:53:23 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: muawiyah

“When things like that happen it’s hard to keep folks from liking you anyway.”

His record in the Senate got me to dislike him a lot. Props for Indianapolis. He should have stayed Mayor.


23 posted on 04/10/2012 10:53:34 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Clintonfatigued

“Largley unknown”? People really oughta to have at least heard of their State Treasurer.


24 posted on 04/11/2012 12:39:36 AM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: ModelBreaker
There's the problem then ~ not everybody in Indianapolis feels that way and they vote.

So, why do you dislike Indianapolis?

25 posted on 04/11/2012 4:28:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: House Atreides
I'd bet good old fashioned doughnuts on that one ~ the Senate has its factions ~ just like the public.

McConnell gets to the top by two paths ~ one, he's actually liked by some of the other senators, not all of whom are RINOs, and, he's the least disliked Republican.

In a small body, being "least disliked" can be exceedingly important.

With or without RINOs (which in my book are guys who ever ran for office as Democrats, or who served as Democrat appointees, or who made important cash contributions to Democrats running for office (or for the Libertarians) ~ you know, like REAL RINOs, like ROMNEY and HUNTSMAN and..... well, you know, we had 7 out of the 10 RNC certified national primary candidates who fell into that category) McConnell would still be a contender for Minority Leader, or for Majority Leader.

This works over on the Democrat side as well. Harry Reid is the least disliked in a crowd of quite dislikeable people. Think of Chucky Schumer ~ NOBODY LIKES HIM! If Reid hadn't taken pity on him Chucky would never advance.

As far as sounding like "the chairman of the rino preservation league" may I remind you that there's an election that's going to be held this Fall ~ and you are up against people who really do want to know why you think it's so important for Indiana to GIVE UP top end seniority in the Senate where there will be a Republican majority?

Electing a new seniority deficient guy in the place of the guy with the most seniority is MORE SERIOUS than your ordinary election.

What is it that Mourdock can get that Lugar can't?

You really need to get that over to the Republican voters in the primary.

These are the same folks who scared off Evan Bayh, but that was then and this is now. Are they really happy with the non-RINOs you've sent to Congress? And are all those non-RINOs actually not RINOs?

26 posted on 04/11/2012 4:45:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: vette6387

Read up on “Senate seniority system” ~ time as a Senator isn’t the only thing ~


27 posted on 04/11/2012 4:52:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clintonfatigued

Have only seen “fire Lugar” and Mourdock signs in people’s yards. First ones on 231 from Bloomington to Lafayette appeared last fall. Now they’re everywhere.


28 posted on 04/11/2012 5:29:01 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Clintonfatigued

Thanks for the pings to these threads, Clintonfatigued. Much appreciated!


29 posted on 04/11/2012 6:39:45 AM PDT by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: hoosiermama

I have not seen a single Lugar yard sign or bumper sticker. Nothing.

I have only seen Mourdock and “Retire Lugar” signs. I predict Indiana will retire Lugar on May 8. :-)


30 posted on 04/11/2012 7:37:18 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: muawiyah
...and you are up against people who really do want to know why you think it's so important for Indiana to GIVE UP top end seniority in the Senate where there will be a Republican majority?

The answer is, being conservative Republicans, we aren't interested in who can use the redistributive powers of government to best enable us to suck off of the government teat. So a candidate's vision of government should be more important to us than his time spent employed in government or his ability to give us "goodies"... right?

31 posted on 04/11/2012 8:15:17 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
That's good in theory but you are dealing with one of America's more evenly divided electorates. This is the same bunch who sent Evan Bayh back to the Senate and had him as governor twice.

Assuming you can keep the TEA Party faction behind you, and knowing that a sufficiently modest enough Democrat can probably keep most of the Democrats behind himself, how do you get your more grasping, greedy, driven by economic interest Republicans to vote FOR your guy in the primaries?

Then, how does he win in the general election?

See how that lustre of MO SENIORITY MO SENIORITY begins to shine in the eyes of the largest single minority you have to pull to your side.

I"ll guarantee you can win against the Democrats with Lugar this year, but getting rid of Lugar without giving it up to a Democrat is the game.

32 posted on 04/11/2012 8:51:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TMA62
Way back when, Vance Hartke papered the state with Hartke signs ~ none of them got posted on the East side of Indianapolis.

He didn't even get votes there ~ he still won the election.

I used to have a large collection of Hartke signs in my dad's garage ~ collected them on the road where somebody drove over them.

33 posted on 04/11/2012 8:54:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I"ll guarantee you can win against the Democrats with Lugar this year, but getting rid of Lugar without giving it up to a Democrat is the game.

Why bother? If your answer is "we need to become a little like big-government Democrats in order to beat the Democrats and elect a guy who is likely to not support important Republican measures, and instead vote with Democrats" then what is the point? Even if we "win," we lose.

If Indiana is that far gone, might as well pack up, call it "California-lite" and move on to more conservative states...

BTW, good job channeling Karl Rove (and other professional political "advisers") with your argument. As many have pointed out, your scenario is generally the one concocted by the political class to justify their own paychecks... they're going to bring you the "moderate" vote. Yet that never works (especially nationally)... just ask McCain, Dole, or soon-to-be Romney...

34 posted on 04/11/2012 9:51:51 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Lugar-Mourdock debate will be available nationally on C-Span. This is one of two events this year where both appeared before the same audience. See for yourself. Whoever wins the primary will be running against this guy: http://donnelly.house.gov/about/bio.shtml


35 posted on 04/11/2012 10:25:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
BTW, the way I can tell you haven't read anything I've written is your reference to "the moderate vote".

Everybody who is anybody on FreeRepublic know that I"m a proponent of the Goldwater/LBJ/Nixon/Reagan model for winning elections ~ HOLD THE BASE, PULL IN A FACTION FROM THE OTHER GUYS.

That's because there are no moderates ~ there is no middle ~ only two great poles of political affiliation in this country. That's why third parties don't work here. You'll want to do a search on Google.com for FREEREPUBLIC BIMODAL SADDLE. Should give you a week's worth of reading and thinking.

Indiana is very evenly divided and some of the factions show up in both major parties. The Democrat opponent could clearly run as a Republican in most districts and be thought of as a Republican.

36 posted on 04/11/2012 10:31:13 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
NOTE: I don't get ideas from Karl Rove. In reality he picks up on my ideas as does Dick Morris. I"ve even had Mitbots buy into ideas (with facts) they saw here first ~ even used the same words in the same order!

Dick owes me half a book for all my stuff he took from the net.

37 posted on 04/11/2012 10:37:38 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
There's the problem then ~ not everybody in Indianapolis feels that way and they vote.

Most blacks are racist and won't vote for a republican anyway. The rest will either wake up and vote conservative or won't.

That's no reason to back a democrat (lugar) against a republican (Mourdock)

So, why do you dislike Indianapolis?

Indy is a small portion of Indiana. It is disliekd because it's your typical big city hell hole (but admittedly it's less of a hell hole than most big cities. However, merely being a big city moves it firmly into the hell hole category)

I think the only city hated worse down in the southern part of the state is bloomington. Another city liberal hell hole.

Indiana does not need a democrat senator. If lugar runs we will get a democrat senator. If Mourdock runs we at least have a shot at getting a republican.

Oh BTW, Bayh got in becuase he had the right name. Far too many people voted for him because he was Birch's boy. I love hoosiers but they can be awfully stupid in name matters.

38 posted on 04/11/2012 10:55:25 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: muawiyah
In reality he picks up on my ideas as does Dick Morris.

And you're PROUD of that?!?!?!

39 posted on 04/11/2012 11:23:15 AM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Remember, not everything Rove spews is Leftwingtard CR*P. He'd never get away with that since there are certainly more than enough of them around ~ and cheaper too. So he needs OTHER STUFF ~ and this is where he gets it.

Br'r Morris can get publishers to publish his books. You tried that trick lately?

I'd suggest you watch the debate on CSPAN tonight.

I"m watching it ~ then checking out South Park for the latest philosophy and a couple of laughs.

40 posted on 04/11/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: John O
Bayh got in because his mother is a closer cousin to me than Mitch McConnell, but Mitch is awful close.

These people are from old pioneer blood, and they know the right thing to say to let voters know who they are.

Then there's Lugar ~ he supports the family Black Walnut Grove ~ which is always good. That's so hard-core Indiana I don't think there's anything else that could mark you totally authentic than maybe knowing where to get mushrooms.

The Democrat running for the office this year has similar affinities although I think he's a sort of foreigner since he's from MIshawaka and can probably spell it right as well. Guarantee everybody I just named can tell you where Johnny Appleseed planted a tree in their neighborhood.

As far as being Conservative is concerned, NONE of these men are far off the mark sent by Governor Schricker and William F. Jenner.

Homer Capehart was "business" but he got television off the dime. Many claim he jumped Farnsworth's patents but that's just crazy talk. He paid for them fair and square.

I"d just imagine the only real Liberal to ever be elected to office in Indiana was Representative Jacobs.

Now, about Naptown being a big city filled to the brim with black people ~ they are a remarkably small but still highly visible minority group with defined residential patterns. You get much outside of Center Township and they are just people who live there and commit crime ~ but they don't dominate the scenery. Remember, the City is the same as the County and that's about 400 square miles ~

41 posted on 04/11/2012 11:58:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

No, Orrin G. Hatch has been in the Senate eight years longer than McC.


42 posted on 04/11/2012 1:41:08 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Theodore R.
No, Br'r Hatch was first elected to the Senate in 1976, just like Senator Lugar.

Lugar's own Senate bio claims he's the highest seniority US Senator. The second factor is that Indiana's population is larger than that of Utah!

43 posted on 04/11/2012 2:30:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Theodore R.
Missread ~ BTW, Hatch was a Representative earlier, but that time doesn't count for Senate Seniority unless you have a couple of guys tied including their state sizes.

McConnell still moves up having only Hatch, a drooler, and Grassley, well into the care of his staff people, ahead of him.

He has YOUT' on his side eh!

44 posted on 04/11/2012 2:35:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: House Atreides
Did you watch the debate yesterday?

I did.

Should have counted the number of times Mourdock said "I agree" about things Lugar said, and vice versa.

There was no big conflict in that debate ~ so does that make Mourdock the second biggest RINO in the race perhaps?

Obviously that'd be a ridiculous conclusion.

Seems to me Lugar's age and obvious infirmness are more relevant to this race than anything else ~ guy did drool and failed to show minimal attentiveness to what was going on around him several times in the debate.

So why is it you guys are afraid to go after Lugar for being an old coot?

45 posted on 04/12/2012 2:53:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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