Skip to comments.Lugarís struggles increase as Tea Partyís other targets fall
Posted on 04/10/2012 7:26:23 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
The Tea Party has lost a number of its top election targets this year, leaving Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.) to emerge as public enemy No. 1 for national conservative groups and poll numbers suggest they could get their man.
Groups including the fiscally conservative Club for Growth, Tea Party-affiliated FreedomWorks and the National Rifle Association have increasingly prioritized defeating Lugar, and social-conservative groups like Gary Bauers Campaign for Working Families and the Eagle Forum have endorsed Indiana state Treasurer Richard Mourdock (R), Lugars primary opponent.
Mourdock remains largely unknown to voters, but in a recent poll he trailed Lugar by just 7 points, 35 percent to 42. The Club for Growth and NRA are already both up with major ad buys against Lugar, and other groups plan to follow suit.
It is a big focus of ours, Club for Growth President Chris Chocola told The Hill.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
This is conservatives’ #1 chance to knock off a RINO and it’s in a strongly Republican state.
RICHARD MOURDOCK FOR SENATE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kick out the RINO Morlock and vote for Richard Mourdock. ;-D
First of all, that will make McConnell of Kentucky the senior most Senator in the ruling party (assuming that it's the Republicans)
Can I say that the campaign against Lugar is going to drop the Senate like a ripe banana into the waiting paws of McConnell?
I thought folks here didn't care for McConnell, but here they are campaigning against Lugar ~ with McConnell the biggest beneficiary of that campaign.
I doubt the sincerity of the institutional folks going after Lugar.
Huh ? McConnell doesn’t become the “seniormost Republican” if Lugar is defeated. That would be Orrin Hatch. And if Hatch is defeated, the next up is Thad Cochran. What are you talking about ?
“I thought folks here didn’t care for McConnell, but here they are campaigning against Lugar ~ with McConnell the biggest beneficiary of that campaign. I doubt the sincerity of the institutional folks going after Lugar.”
Lugar is a terrible Senator. One of the worst RINO’s of all time. He needs to go and the Senate R’n need to sort out their leadership. But that’s no excuse not to dump Lugar.
This is the biggest conservative opportunity in the primaries.
He benefits far more than the others with Lugar out of the way.
Regarding the benefits to Conservatives, what about the benefits to the voters of Indiana who would stand in line at the front of the federal feed lot.
BTW, my proposal for Lugar is to subvert his staffers so that you can have Conservatives guide his bidding.
“Mourdock remains largely unknown to voters...”
Admittedly, he’s State Treasurer. That’s not a high profile office where everyone knows his name. But I find it hard to believe that he’s “largely unknown”.
Anyways, I sent him $25.00 two weeks ago. Hopefully, that’ll help.
When things like that happen it's hard to keep folks from liking you anyway.
“McConnell combines seniority with the fact that there are a good number of other Senators who like him ~ which is why he’s minority leader.
He benefits far more than the others with Lugar out of the way.”
You sound like the Chairman of the RINO Preservation League.
The ONLY reason McConnell is currently the Republican Minority Leader in the Senate is because the Republican RINOs & CINOs outnumber the true conservatives in the Senate. That balance is changing (for the better) and with the new conservative Republican Senators elected in 2010 plus the new one to be elected this November, the conservatives will likely have sufficient numbers to replace McConnell with a conservative. Oh happy day!!
Support Mourdock in the primary however you can!
Lugar hasn’t owned home or lived in Indiana for 30 years. DC has been his home.
And he has the gall to run outrageously nasty ads accusing Mourdocks “DC pals” funding his campaign.
Psssssssssst. Muahwiyah. McConnell is already the Senate Minority Leader. Defeating Lugar won't change that...but it will remove one of his allies.
Lugar’s expiration date was 1988. 24 years past. Time for him to go.
LOL...what twisted logic. Nice try.
I like mourdock but I’m concerned as to whether or not he can beat Donnelly....and we sure don’t need a democrap as senator!!!
Looks like the RINO hunters may get at trophy.
Indiana is a strongly Republican state and Obama is unpopular here. I’m not that worried about Mourdock losing the general election.
“First of all, that will make McConnell of Kentucky the senior most Senator in the ruling party (assuming that it’s the Republicans)”
Just how do you come up with that assertion? Both Lugar and Hatch were sworn in on exactly the same date, January 3, 1977, so how do you find Lugar to be the senior guy?
“When things like that happen it’s hard to keep folks from liking you anyway.”
His record in the Senate got me to dislike him a lot. Props for Indianapolis. He should have stayed Mayor.
“Largley unknown”? People really oughta to have at least heard of their State Treasurer.
So, why do you dislike Indianapolis?
McConnell gets to the top by two paths ~ one, he's actually liked by some of the other senators, not all of whom are RINOs, and, he's the least disliked Republican.
In a small body, being "least disliked" can be exceedingly important.
With or without RINOs (which in my book are guys who ever ran for office as Democrats, or who served as Democrat appointees, or who made important cash contributions to Democrats running for office (or for the Libertarians) ~ you know, like REAL RINOs, like ROMNEY and HUNTSMAN and..... well, you know, we had 7 out of the 10 RNC certified national primary candidates who fell into that category) McConnell would still be a contender for Minority Leader, or for Majority Leader.
This works over on the Democrat side as well. Harry Reid is the least disliked in a crowd of quite dislikeable people. Think of Chucky Schumer ~ NOBODY LIKES HIM! If Reid hadn't taken pity on him Chucky would never advance.
As far as sounding like "the chairman of the rino preservation league" may I remind you that there's an election that's going to be held this Fall ~ and you are up against people who really do want to know why you think it's so important for Indiana to GIVE UP top end seniority in the Senate where there will be a Republican majority?
Electing a new seniority deficient guy in the place of the guy with the most seniority is MORE SERIOUS than your ordinary election.
What is it that Mourdock can get that Lugar can't?
You really need to get that over to the Republican voters in the primary.
These are the same folks who scared off Evan Bayh, but that was then and this is now. Are they really happy with the non-RINOs you've sent to Congress? And are all those non-RINOs actually not RINOs?
Read up on “Senate seniority system” ~ time as a Senator isn’t the only thing ~
Have only seen “fire Lugar” and Mourdock signs in people’s yards. First ones on 231 from Bloomington to Lafayette appeared last fall. Now they’re everywhere.
Thanks for the pings to these threads, Clintonfatigued. Much appreciated!
I have not seen a single Lugar yard sign or bumper sticker. Nothing.
I have only seen Mourdock and “Retire Lugar” signs. I predict Indiana will retire Lugar on May 8. :-)
The answer is, being conservative Republicans, we aren't interested in who can use the redistributive powers of government to best enable us to suck off of the government teat. So a candidate's vision of government should be more important to us than his time spent employed in government or his ability to give us "goodies"... right?
Assuming you can keep the TEA Party faction behind you, and knowing that a sufficiently modest enough Democrat can probably keep most of the Democrats behind himself, how do you get your more grasping, greedy, driven by economic interest Republicans to vote FOR your guy in the primaries?
Then, how does he win in the general election?
See how that lustre of MO SENIORITY MO SENIORITY begins to shine in the eyes of the largest single minority you have to pull to your side.
I"ll guarantee you can win against the Democrats with Lugar this year, but getting rid of Lugar without giving it up to a Democrat is the game.
He didn't even get votes there ~ he still won the election.
I used to have a large collection of Hartke signs in my dad's garage ~ collected them on the road where somebody drove over them.
Why bother? If your answer is "we need to become a little like big-government Democrats in order to beat the Democrats and elect a guy who is likely to not support important Republican measures, and instead vote with Democrats" then what is the point? Even if we "win," we lose.
If Indiana is that far gone, might as well pack up, call it "California-lite" and move on to more conservative states...
BTW, good job channeling Karl Rove (and other professional political "advisers") with your argument. As many have pointed out, your scenario is generally the one concocted by the political class to justify their own paychecks... they're going to bring you the "moderate" vote. Yet that never works (especially nationally)... just ask McCain, Dole, or soon-to-be Romney...
Lugar-Mourdock debate will be available nationally on C-Span. This is one of two events this year where both appeared before the same audience. See for yourself. Whoever wins the primary will be running against this guy: http://donnelly.house.gov/about/bio.shtml
Everybody who is anybody on FreeRepublic know that I"m a proponent of the Goldwater/LBJ/Nixon/Reagan model for winning elections ~ HOLD THE BASE, PULL IN A FACTION FROM THE OTHER GUYS.
That's because there are no moderates ~ there is no middle ~ only two great poles of political affiliation in this country. That's why third parties don't work here. You'll want to do a search on Google.com for FREEREPUBLIC BIMODAL SADDLE. Should give you a week's worth of reading and thinking.
Indiana is very evenly divided and some of the factions show up in both major parties. The Democrat opponent could clearly run as a Republican in most districts and be thought of as a Republican.
Dick owes me half a book for all my stuff he took from the net.
Most blacks are racist and won't vote for a republican anyway. The rest will either wake up and vote conservative or won't.
That's no reason to back a democrat (lugar) against a republican (Mourdock)
So, why do you dislike Indianapolis?
Indy is a small portion of Indiana. It is disliekd because it's your typical big city hell hole (but admittedly it's less of a hell hole than most big cities. However, merely being a big city moves it firmly into the hell hole category)
I think the only city hated worse down in the southern part of the state is bloomington. Another city liberal hell hole.
Indiana does not need a democrat senator. If lugar runs we will get a democrat senator. If Mourdock runs we at least have a shot at getting a republican.
Oh BTW, Bayh got in becuase he had the right name. Far too many people voted for him because he was Birch's boy. I love hoosiers but they can be awfully stupid in name matters.
And you're PROUD of that?!?!?!
Br'r Morris can get publishers to publish his books. You tried that trick lately?
I'd suggest you watch the debate on CSPAN tonight.
I"m watching it ~ then checking out South Park for the latest philosophy and a couple of laughs.
These people are from old pioneer blood, and they know the right thing to say to let voters know who they are.
Then there's Lugar ~ he supports the family Black Walnut Grove ~ which is always good. That's so hard-core Indiana I don't think there's anything else that could mark you totally authentic than maybe knowing where to get mushrooms.
The Democrat running for the office this year has similar affinities although I think he's a sort of foreigner since he's from MIshawaka and can probably spell it right as well. Guarantee everybody I just named can tell you where Johnny Appleseed planted a tree in their neighborhood.
As far as being Conservative is concerned, NONE of these men are far off the mark sent by Governor Schricker and William F. Jenner.
Homer Capehart was "business" but he got television off the dime. Many claim he jumped Farnsworth's patents but that's just crazy talk. He paid for them fair and square.
I"d just imagine the only real Liberal to ever be elected to office in Indiana was Representative Jacobs.
Now, about Naptown being a big city filled to the brim with black people ~ they are a remarkably small but still highly visible minority group with defined residential patterns. You get much outside of Center Township and they are just people who live there and commit crime ~ but they don't dominate the scenery. Remember, the City is the same as the County and that's about 400 square miles ~
No, Orrin G. Hatch has been in the Senate eight years longer than McC.
Lugar's own Senate bio claims he's the highest seniority US Senator. The second factor is that Indiana's population is larger than that of Utah!
McConnell still moves up having only Hatch, a drooler, and Grassley, well into the care of his staff people, ahead of him.
He has YOUT' on his side eh!
Should have counted the number of times Mourdock said "I agree" about things Lugar said, and vice versa.
There was no big conflict in that debate ~ so does that make Mourdock the second biggest RINO in the race perhaps?
Obviously that'd be a ridiculous conclusion.
Seems to me Lugar's age and obvious infirmness are more relevant to this race than anything else ~ guy did drool and failed to show minimal attentiveness to what was going on around him several times in the debate.
So why is it you guys are afraid to go after Lugar for being an old coot?