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Obama eligibility: NJ ALJ ducks issues
Conservative News and Views ^ | April 10, 2012 | Terry A. Hurlbut

Posted on 04/10/2012 9:44:42 PM PDT by Smokeyblue

In the latest Obama eligibility challenge, an Administrative Law Judge cleared Obama for the New Jersey Democratic Primary today. The two men who objected to Obama’s nominating petition vowed to appeal.

SNIP

But the judge shocked Apuzzo when, at about 7:30 p.m., he called Apuzzo to tell him that the Obama campaign had prevailed on both points. Said the judge, according to Apuzzo:

"As far as I’m concerned, Obama was born in Hawaii."

Apuzzo could not explain how Judge Masin could rule that way, after observing in open court that neither Obama nor his surrogates had shown that he was born in Hawaii.

Within two hours, according to a deadline that Masin gave him, Apuzzo filed an exception to Masin’s ruling. Apuzzo took exception to the following:

Judge Masin ruled that Obama was born in Hawaii with no evidence on record, after acknowledging that fact during the hearing.

Judge Masin ruled that Obama need not comply with statute to show that he is eligible, solely because he need not “consent” to someone circulating a nominating petition for him.

The judge suggested that Obama might have to show eligibility later. He laid no basis for such a ruling.

The judge misread the precedents and gave short shrift to the historical evidence that the Framers of the Constitution defined “natural-born citizen” as one born in-country to two citizen parents. Apuzzo devoted half of his 30-page exception to this analysis alone.

Apuzzo plans to appeal directly to the Appellate Division of the New Jersey Superior Court. He earlier told CNAV that he was ready to argue before the State and even United States Supreme Courts if he had to.

(Excerpt) Read more at conservativenewsandviews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: apuzzo; birthcertificate; certifigate; forgerygate; jeffmasin; naturalborncitizen; obama; puzzo

1 posted on 04/10/2012 9:45:00 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
The Diversion Continues.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House Obama is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

2 posted on 04/10/2012 9:48:32 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: LucyT

Ping

The corruption continues.


4 posted on 04/10/2012 9:52:31 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

The rot in Obamaville is close to the core.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 9:57:49 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: F15Eagle

“Bammy should have to submit an non-redacted paper LFBC costing $12 to a court of law AND proper election channels.”

Dear Reader Obama is above the law.

“He don’t need no stink’in paperwork.”


6 posted on 04/10/2012 10:00:26 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Dapper 26

“The rot in Obamaville is close to the core.”

Not close to, but dead center. The whole thing is rotten.


7 posted on 04/10/2012 10:06:36 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: F15Eagle
Grand Witch Pelosi forbid Bammy should have to submit an non-redacted paper LFBC costing $12 to a court of law AND proper election channels.

A judge could order it directly from the State of Hawaii.. assuming they have one on file.

8 posted on 04/10/2012 10:25:45 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Smokeyblue; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; ...
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10 posted on 04/10/2012 10:35:21 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; Seizethecarp; Smokeyblue
Thanks for the Ping. Crap. Figured this would play out like this.

"Judge Masin ruled that Obama was born in Hawaii with no evidence on record, after acknowledging that fact during the hearing."

The rumors of the demise of the rule of law are becoming more apparently true with each bs "ruling". Banana Republic, aye.

11 posted on 04/10/2012 10:58:46 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Amazing.


12 posted on 04/10/2012 11:20:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: F15Eagle
"The great nation founded in 1776 died from stupidity of its citizens during the last days of her existence."

I would disagree with some of your statement.....

The great nation founded in 1776 was murdered by criminal negligence of it's judicial system, and treasonous elected officials.

13 posted on 04/11/2012 12:48:44 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: F15Eagle

Very disappointed although I expected as much. When they can’t rule on the evidence the judges just make it up. The judges break more rules than the litigants. I guess when you can’t fight fair, you cheat.

On to the appellate division. Mario must be disappointed but he knows what judges are capable of.

Maybe its too far fetched to still think there might be one honest judge left in this country. very sad.


15 posted on 04/11/2012 1:16:02 AM PDT by jdirt
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To: Smokeyblue
While we haven't yet been provided the new constitution from South Africa suggested by Justice Ginsberg, our district and federal judges seem to be using the pronouncements of the Red Queen to guide their decisions. The law has become a bad joke with muslim judges citing bad state law (Ankeny) for Constitutional interpretation, and lying to avoid reaching discovery (Carter).

If the public followed the idiocy being dispensed by judges the salaries and benefits to judges would become a good target for the people's house. Unfortunately, since some of us read the Constitution, it isn't possible to diminish their compensation. But this nonsense is not “good behavior,” and that is the constitutional ground for impeaching judges. Of course, like every other term in the Constitution, “good Behavior” is not defined in the Constitution, so we will need to explore the common-law at the time of the framers, or look for precedent. These judges are clearly more afraid of the SEIU (Obama’s army, bigger than the military) than they are of populace they used to serve.

16 posted on 04/11/2012 1:48:49 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding
"But this nonsense is not “good behavior,” and that is the constitutional ground for impeaching judges. Of course, like every other term in the Constitution, “good Behavior” is not defined in the Constitution, so we will need to explore the common-law at the time of the framers, or look for precedent."

I'm thinking this might bear bitter fruit if it bears any at all, at this point. Especially given the timeframe we're working with between now and November. Still a great longer term goal, presuming the Republic lasts long enough to pursue it.

"These judges are clearly more afraid of the SEIU (Obama’s army, bigger than the military) than they are of populace they used to serve."

They're clearly afraid of something, but what that something is, is not clear. And it's not just the judges either. It's virtually everyone who could and should do something about this inside job but instead remain silent, or worse, ridicule those earnestly seeking the truth of matters.

17 posted on 04/11/2012 2:57:28 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: jdirt

Jersey is Rat state. Probably worried that Al and the Black Panthers would be outside his home the next morning with a death warrant, like Zimmerman.


18 posted on 04/11/2012 3:18:42 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Smokeyblue

Judge mindmelding continues.


19 posted on 04/11/2012 3:41:47 AM PDT by bgill
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To: jdirt
" ...there might be one honest judge left in this country "

I heard there is one honest judge, but he's hiding in Boise, Idaho with the one honest journalist left.

20 posted on 04/11/2012 3:42:55 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Conservative patriots, Rise up!)
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To: SERE_DOC

“The great nation founded in 1776 was murdered by criminal negligence of it’s judicial system, and treasonous elected officials.”

... none of which could have been accomplished without the assistance of the anti-American mainstream media!


21 posted on 04/11/2012 4:26:18 AM PDT by greenhornet68
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To: Barak; obama; All
Judge Masin ruled that Obama was born in Hawaii with no evidence on record

Judge Masin ruled that Obama need not comply with statute to show that he is eligible

The judge suggested that Obama might have to show eligibility later. He laid no basis for such a ruling.

The judge misread the precedents and gave short shrift to the historical evidence that the Framers of the Constitution defined “natural-born citizen” as one born in-country to two citizen parents.

Openly looks like tyranny to me.

23 posted on 04/11/2012 5:16:47 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: greenhornet68

Cheers!


24 posted on 04/11/2012 5:19:36 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: Smokeyblue

sfl


25 posted on 04/11/2012 5:20:15 AM PDT by know-the-law
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To: Smokeyblue

It really is this easy to tear up the Constitution, the most significant document in human history. And not a whimper of complaint.


26 posted on 04/11/2012 5:22:14 AM PDT by Humble Servant
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To: Art II Sec 1

I have to check my sanity.

Now let me see if I got this straight.

We have attorneys arguing in a court of law that a candidate is not required to show they are eligible to hold office and that nobody is responsible for checking the eligibility of candidates even if the law states that the secretary of state has to make sure the candidates are eligible and the secretary of state is not required to check the eligibility of the candidates.

We have attorneys, judges and secretaries of state saying that a candidate really doesn’t have to qualify when they qualify. In this case the word, qualify, really means that they just gathered (or forged) the right number of signatures, submitted them on time and paid the fee. In this case the word, qualify, does not mean that the candidate’s qualifications meet the qualifications to hold office.

We have judges saying that if you have evidence that a candidate forged his identification, its ok as long as the identification was not submitted to the court and then rules that the candidate is qualified because he believes the forged identification.

We are living in a time when a kid registering for kindergarten needs 3 pieces of identification but a candidate for the President of the United States doesn’t need any. We take his word for it just like all those campaign promises.

Now I know what you lawyers out there are thinking. You think I don’t understand how the law works. You would be wrong, I know exactly how the law works which is why this country is so messed up. You people are the ones that are freakin nuts, not me. My sanity is just fine.


27 posted on 04/11/2012 5:55:22 AM PDT by jdirt
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To: All

How I Learned to Love Savannah Guthrie

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/how_i_learned_to_love_savannah_guthrie.html


28 posted on 04/11/2012 6:34:25 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Smokeyblue

Per ApuzzoPuzoAbuzzOuzoAPOPizzaApesAppsApseOpusApia’sApieceApaceApe’sUziAppApolloAPAZApposeOpus’sUSOApePausePusAu’s:

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http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

This is all that Mario was trying to achieve...a path to SCOTUS. At each step on the way the fact that the emperor has no clothes will be evident...and hopefully will be covered in the NJ media market next to NYC.


29 posted on 04/11/2012 7:42:23 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Smokeyblue

New Jersey Judge Admits: “Obama Hasn’t Provided

Proof of Birthplace”. Then Rules Obama Born in Hawaii

This sounds like the judge was bought off ...... I listened to the 2 videos

Judge Mason clearly was siding with Apuzo.

“Stating that he has not seen
any documentation that Obama was born in Hawaii”.....

Judge stated: “ We all know that Obama’s father was not a ‘Citizen’
of the US”...

Judge said: “Obama admitted this fact himself”

Obama’s lawyer did not present a copy of “Forged BC”
She said it was not required.


30 posted on 04/11/2012 8:39:10 AM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: Smokeyblue
While we haven't yet been provided the new constitution from South Africa suggested by Justice Ginsberg, our district and federal judges seem to be using the pronouncements of the Red Queen to guide their decisions. The law has become a bad joke with muslim judges citing bad state law (Ankeny) for Constitutional interpretation, and lying to avoid reaching discovery (Carter).

If the public followed the idiocy being dispensed by judges the salaries and benefits to judges would become a good target for the people's house. Unfortunately, since some of us read the Constitution, it isn't possible to diminish their compensation. But this nonsense is not “good behavior,” and that is the constitutional ground for impeaching judges. Of course, like every other term in the Constitution, “good Behavior” is not defined in the Constitution, so we will need to explore the common-law at the time of the framers, or look for precedent. These judges are clearly more afraid of the SEIU (Obama’s army, bigger than the military) than they are of populace they used to serve.

31 posted on 04/11/2012 8:54:21 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Smokeyblue
It's becoming painfully clear that no judge in this country is ever going to put him/herself in harm's way. It's a profession of cowards lacking in integrity. The Georgia judge did the same despicable thing....proclaimed Obama to be born in Hawaii.... WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE PROVIDED AT THE HEARING.

Absolutely astounding!

32 posted on 04/11/2012 11:17:15 AM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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Here is a link to the ruling...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/88916012/Purpura-Moran-Initial-Decision-of-ALJ-Masin-New-Jersey-Obama-Ballot-Challenge-4-10-2012

The judge wants to leave it up to the presidential candidate to decline the nomination if they are unqualified. He kicks the can down the road and says that once nominated, someone could challenge the nomination on grounds of ineligibility.


33 posted on 04/11/2012 2:14:54 PM PDT by bhl
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To: Scooter100

I absolutely agree with you. Astonishing.

Blatant and criminal disregard for the Constitution and disrespect for their own court and profession.

Obama is being treated as if he were a king.

How anyone can look at this whole “birther” episode and not see a criminal bonanza and the overthrow of the Constitution?

How these judges and politicians can keep showing their faces in public and spewing their garbage is amazing to me. Like we don’t see what they’ve done.

It’s all a sham now. The courts are sham. They are criminals. They will pick and choose who to give favor to and who to put in jail.

They don’t need evidence, or rules, or laws. They will do as they please and there is nothing you can do about it.

Our own taxpayer funded DOJ lawyers are paid to overthrow the Constitution. The defend, aid and abet (at at minimum) a criminal felon or (at a maximum) a foreign enemy combatant.

That’s why putting Lt. Col. Lakin in Leavenworth was a watershed moment. They will take away your freedom for their corruption.

My level of disgust for every agency, every court, every elected official who allowed this travesty to occur and continue unabated is beyond what I can adequately convey.


34 posted on 04/11/2012 2:30:20 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

One additional comment, every time a judge or politician says that Obama is a citizen they should be pubically called out on their treason.

They insult our intelligence with their corruption.

When they say “citizen” instead of “natural born citizen” they are willfully abandoning their oaths and legal responsibility to uphold the Constitution.

They are traitors committing treason. Simple as that. They need to be held accountable to the law.


35 posted on 04/11/2012 2:42:23 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue
To play Little League of get a Driver's License, you need ID.

To run for office or to vote, you don't.

ML/NJ

36 posted on 04/11/2012 3:48:04 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Smokeyblue
I found two interesting things about this New Jersey Obama eligibility court case:

1. PRIVATE LAWYER: It looks like a private lawyer and not a government lawyer defended Obama in this case.

2. STIPULATION: Obama's lawyer stipulated that the long form birth certificate on the White House site would not be used by the lawyer and the judge as evidence. (I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure how the term "stipulation" is used in court. So if someone could help me wth the term "stipulation", I would appreciate it.)

PRIVATE LAWYER: I found the use of a private lawyer interesting for this reason: I remember how Obama supporters argue that anyone who claims that Obama is paying lawyers a million dollars to defend him in these type of cases is crazy, because most of Obama's defense is being conducted by government lawyers, and evern if Obama uses private lawyers, the cost is very low.

1. To me, if private lawyers are defending Obama in all these ballot challenges, then I would think that the cost is NOT low. Rather, I would think that it cost a lot of money to hire high-priced lawyers to defend Obama against the many eligibility challenges.

2. I wonder who is paying the bills of these high-priced lawyers? Obama? The Democratic Party? Are the lawyers working pro-bono, that is, for free?

3. Of course, Obama could stop all these eligibility challenges and avoid having to pay all these high-priced lawyers by doing some simple things tomorrow:

a. SELECTIVE SERVICE FORM: He could release his original Selective Service form.

b. LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE: He could tell Hawaii officials to allow Arizona officials to examine his original 1961 long form birth certificate in the Hawaii archives.

c. 1970s SOCIAL SECURITY APPLICATION: He could allow Arizona officials to examine a copy of his Social Security application. ( NOTE: Anyone, especially the President of the United States, can obtain a copy of his own original application form by requesting one from Social Security and paying a small fee.)

4. Of course, Obama and/or the Democratic Party would rather pay thousands of dollars to private lawyers instead of voluntarily releasing the documents above. Why is that? Could it be that Obama is trying to hide something?

STIPULATION regarding Obama's long form birth certificate seen on the White House website

1. In this New Jersey case, I found it remarkable that Obama's private lawyer would STIPULATE that the long form birth certificate would NOT be used to prove Obama's eligibility, which meant that Obama's private lawyer would present NO evidence that Obama was eligible. (I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not quite sure what "STIPULATION" means in a court of law. So I would appreciate it if someone could explain the term in easy to understand language.)

2. I found the stipulation remarkable for this reason: I would think that now Obama ballot challengers could cite the stipulation in this New Jersey case to force Obama's lawyers in other eligibility cases to also stipulate that Obama's long form birth certificate as seen on the White House website would not be introduced as proof that Obama was born in the United States.

3. Again, this stipulation by Obama's lawyer in this New Jersey court case seems to give persons some new-found ammunition that they can use in future Obama ballot challenges, because Obama's lawyer has opened the eligibility gate by going on the record in a court of law that Obama's long form birth certificate need not be introduced as proof that Obama was born in the United States.

4. And if Obama's long form birth certificate as seen on the White House site will not be introduced as evidence in future court cases to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii, then what other evidence can Obama's private lawyers and sitting judges point to in court to prove that Obama was indeed born in the United States? I can't think of any other evidence that Obama could present in court that he was born in Hawaii. Can you? Thanks.

37 posted on 04/11/2012 10:19:43 PM PDT by john mirse
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