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Why I Am A Gun Owner And You Should Be Too
unitedliberty.org ^ | 10 April, 2012 | Kevin Boyd

Posted on 04/11/2012 8:15:11 AM PDT by marktwain

I spent my Easter at a shooting range about an hour west of my home. My wife had to work and I did not have plans to see family, so had some extra time to occupy myself with. I decided to put that extra time to use breaking a shotgun I purchased about a month for home defense. While my shoulder handled the 2 1/2 inch target shells pretty well, the 3 inch magnum 00 buckshot I shot pretty much made it raw.

While on my way to and from the range is a drive down a Mississippi country highway that takes me through mostly timberland and cattle country. While on that drive I got to thinking why I love guns so much. Was it because I liked the sensation and the sounds and smells of an explosion? If it was, I can get that thrill by using fireworks and I don’t buy fireworks. While I do enjoy shooting, the enjoyment alone obviously can’t be the reason why. I’m also not a hunter, so obviously that’s not why I own guns. The reason why I own firearms is simply because I can.

All throughout history, what has distinguished a free man from a slave or even a subject is the ability to possess and own weapons, or as the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution puts it, “to keep and bear arms”. You’re probably asking yourself, “how is this relevant in an age of tanks, drones, jet fighters, and other high-tech weapons?” Well, all those fancy weapons are controlled by people and all people die just the same once you strip away all the fancy technology. There are numerous examples of that in the 20th and already in the 21st century from France to Afghanistan. Subduing a free people, especially a well-armed people, is still very difficult.

Now the three types of guns you should own are; a .22 Long Rifle caliber weapon for simple and cheap marksmanship practice, a home and/or self defense weapon(s), and a militia duty weapon (aka a homeland security rifle).

The .22 caliber weapon is a must for any gun owner and as a matter of fact, it should be your first gun. Ammunition is cheap, usually less than $20 for a brick of 550 rounds or so. Both rifles and pistols are manufactured in that caliber. It is not only a good, cheap caliber with low recoil to learn how to shoot with, but you can also use a .22 to hunt small game such as rabbits and squirrels and for pest control in rural areas.

The next one on the list is a home and/or self defense weapon. For home defense, the best option in my humble opinion is a 12 gauge shotgun, either pump or semi-auto. However, a double barrel “coach gun” type works just as well and .410 bore also works well, with lighter recoil than the 12 gauge. I’m not too familiar with self-defense shells for 16 or 20 gauge to say anything either way. In addition, a handgun works well enough in a home defense situation and if you can get a model that is easily concealed, you’re really winning. I strongly urge my readers that choose to carry concealed weapons to please research and follow all applicable state and local laws.

Finally, there is your militia service weapon or your homeland security weapon. Yes, I am using the dirty “m” word and here’s why, because it’s appropriate for this type of weapon. Thanks to the outstanding propaganda effort by the so-called mainstream media, most people when they hear the word “militia” think of a bunch of anti-government, white supremacist nutjobs running around in fatigues espousing conspiracy theories and running around with guns. While these so-called “organized” groups do exist (and you should stay away from them, by the way, for many reasons), that is not what a militia is. A militia is simply an armed, volunteer body of men and women defending their community and country in a time of crisis. We have had the militia all throughout American history and they were generally under state and local control until 1903 when the National Guard created. The reason for having a militia are for arranging local defense in a Katrina-type situation when law and order have broken down.

Now what are “homeland security rifles”? They are semi-automatic, high magazine capacity rifles such as the AR-15 and its clones, the AK-47 and all of its derivatives, the FN FAL clones, and many other types of rifles on the market today. Another good choice is the M1 Garand which is an eight-shot capacity rifle used by the US during World War II and available through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. If you cannot afford these weapons, a military surplus bolt action rifle or even a .30-3o lever action rifle will suffice.

To answer the question why I own guns is to me, they are as much of a civic duty of citizenship as voting. It demonstrates that I am willing to be self-sufficient and I am willing to help protect my community and nation and my fellow Americans like a sheepdog guards the herd of sheep against the predators. Just as some people should not vote, gun ownership is not for everyone. If you choose to exercise that right, you have a moral obligation to train with your weapons and teach your household gun safety. But if you do exercise your right to keep and bear arms, you will become a freer and more self-reliant citizen, instead of a subject of the state.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; militia; philosophy
Nicely said.
1 posted on 04/11/2012 8:15:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I spent the evening cleaning some of my guns with my 14 yr old son. good times


2 posted on 04/11/2012 8:19:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Excellant advice,

a 12 gague is a perfect home protection gun.

A .22 is cheap to fire and good for lots of shooting practise.

And I personally really, really, really like my M-1 Garand.


3 posted on 04/11/2012 8:32:16 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: driftdiver

Toss a good quality, used .357 magnum revolver and this guy is dead on.


4 posted on 04/11/2012 8:34:44 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: marktwain

I’m a gun owner because, under the current Administration, skin color trumps laws, and no one gets a “free beating” on this citizen.


5 posted on 04/11/2012 8:37:16 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Tagline removed at the request of someone who doesn't "get" Monty Python or Shakespeare.)
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To: driftdiver
I spent the evening cleaning some of my guns with my 14 yr old son. good times

Time spent working with your loved ones is to be treasured. It's even better when you can share it with your son.

6 posted on 04/11/2012 8:39:55 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I tried to buy a hoodie today but the store manager said they had all been shoplifted.)
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To: ZULU; marktwain
a 12 gague is a perfect home protection gun.

Remington Model 870. Reliable and inexpensive. Everyone who is able to handle one that lives in your home should have one stored there and at the ready 24/7.

Ruger Model 10/22. Reliable and inexpensive. Everyone who is able to handle one that lives in your home should have one stored there and at the ready 24/7.

7 posted on 04/11/2012 8:42:04 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: marktwain
"Nicely said."

Ummmm....really????

The premise that one should have three types of guns is okay but shaky; I would add the fourth for concealed carry.

Beyond that, the rest is poorly written and uninformative. In other words a waste of ink.

8 posted on 04/11/2012 8:44:27 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: marktwain

Any FReepers here have any experience getting a gun permit in NJ?


9 posted on 04/11/2012 8:49:02 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: Lurker

I agree with you about the revolver. They’re especially handy for women who may not be as comfortable handling a weapon. If a revolver fails, just pull the trigger again.


10 posted on 04/11/2012 8:49:11 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: Mad Dawgg
"Ruger Model 10/22??? Why in the world would you recommend everyone have one stored and at the ready 24/7?

Do you REALLY have a valid reason, or did you just want to post a nice picture?

11 posted on 04/11/2012 8:49:59 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: marktwain

I agree with him.

Currently in my gun safe, or on me:

AR-15 rifle in 5.56 NATO.
Marlin Model 60 scoped semi-automatic .22 rifle
Mossberg pistol grip 12 gauge pump shotgun.
Glock G22 .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol
Glock G23 .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol
S&W Model 686 stainless .357 Magnum revolver
Walther PPK/S .380 semi-automatic pistol
Ruger Mark II stainless semi-automatic .22 pistol

G23 has been on me and AR-15, with 30 round magazine, in a corner of the living room since Trayvon’s peeps have been making “kill the white devil” noises.


12 posted on 04/11/2012 8:53:36 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Exit148
It's much easier to get a Moving Van than a Gun Permit in New Jersey.
13 posted on 04/11/2012 8:54:11 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Looks like two of mine.


14 posted on 04/11/2012 9:01:05 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: diogenes ghost
"Do you REALLY have a valid reason, or did you just want to post a nice picture?"

A 10/22 is an excellent all round weapon. Shot guns are limited by effective range. A well placed shot with a 22 is devastating and can bring down about any averaged size game including deer (Using scopes and a head shot) It can also wreak havoc on humans and be waay more accurate at range then a shotgun.

Granted bigger rifles are better but when you have limited funds an 870 and 10/22 for everyone in the family is cheaper and highly effective for protection and hunting if the SHTF. (And you only need deal with to types of ammo.)

15 posted on 04/11/2012 9:01:46 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: VA_Gentleman

Also, many women have difficulty racking the slide on a semi-auto.


16 posted on 04/11/2012 9:09:26 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I never met a person who wanted to be shot, with a .308 or a .22.

Sure a .22 doesn’t have the range or power of the larger calibers. It will certainly get peoples attention though.


17 posted on 04/11/2012 9:17:46 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
"Sure a .22 doesn’t have the range or power of the larger calibers. It will certainly get peoples attention though."

Yeppers had an argument with a friend about this same issue he told me his bigger rifle was superior and I couldn't expect to deal with such a threat even if he gave me 5 shots to my one.

I asked him If I shot him once in the head with a 22 how effective would his next shot be with his sparky 308?

He just mumbled.

18 posted on 04/11/2012 9:33:49 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Lurker

On youtube there are a lot of videos showing actual penetration of various calibers. I always shied away from a .357 simple because I was worried about over penetration of the neighbors house.

In one video the 5.56 actually had the least amount of penetration using mock sheetrock walls. It only went through two walls and into the 3rd before the bullet broke up. Even the 12ga with 7shot went through the 3rd wall.

The .45, .357, 12ga 00, and 9mm all went into the 4th wall. They’ve even found where the sheetrock will fill the void in a HP round preventing it from expanding.


19 posted on 04/11/2012 9:40:14 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

Excellant advice,

a 12 gague is a perfect home protection gun.

A .22 is cheap to fire and good for lots of shooting practise.

And I personally really, really, really like my M-1 Garand.


20 posted on 04/11/2012 9:58:34 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: MtBaldy

What about an AR-15 modificed to .308?


21 posted on 04/11/2012 10:00:18 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: marktwain
While my shoulder handled the 2 1/2 inch target shells pretty well, the 3 inch magnum 00 buckshot I shot pretty much made it raw.

I load 2 3/4 inch tactical buckshot except for the last round in my 12 ga. That's 3 1/2 inch magnum buckshot, and I am confident that I'll know it's my last round as soon as I pull the trigger. I don't worry about getting distracted and losing track of how many times I've pulled the trigger. I also don't worry that I'll empty a shotgun so many times that my shoulder is sore from those magnum shells. If I have to empty the weapon that many times, I've got bigger problems than a sore shoulder.

22 posted on 04/11/2012 10:04:26 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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23 posted on 04/11/2012 10:05:47 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: ZULU

You could do that. I won’t because the AR-15 is a light rifle and the .308 has pretty stout recoil. Ammo is also going to take up a lot more room and be much heavier. Size and weight of 7.62 ammo was one of the reasons the Army went looking for a smaller assault rifle caliber in the first place. A study done decades ago by the Army concluded an 8 man squad with M16s and full combat load was as effective as an 11 man squad with M14s. Finally, the last gun on my home defense/SHTF arsenal is a Remington 700P sniper rifle in .308. At 2 to 3k for a decent one I have to wait a while for that one.


24 posted on 04/11/2012 10:16:52 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Mad Dawgg

LOL, even a BB to the eyball will stop just about anybody.


25 posted on 04/11/2012 10:38:30 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: marktwain

I liked it. A good thing to show someone on the fence.


26 posted on 04/11/2012 11:07:58 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: Exit148

It’s a tedious process. You will have to go to your local police department, or the local state police if your town does not have a local polic force, and pick up a fire arms identification card application. They will instruct you on how to fill out the form. You will need two character witnesses who will be sent a form to fill out and mail back and you also will have to make an appointment with a third party contractor to be fingerprinted (this will cost you a little more than $60.00). The process can take one to three months depending on your police department.

If your intending to purchase a handgun you will need a permit which runs $2.00 each. They are good for three months after which they expire. You can only purchase one handgun in a thirty day period. You will be charged an additional $18.00 afterwards if you desire to obtain another handgun permit after your initial permit(s) have been acquired (again waiting the one to three months. Also you will have to supply the names of two character witnesses again.

The state of New Jersey has the most restrictive firearms regulations in the country. I have not tried but I understand it is very difficult to get a concealed carry permit.


27 posted on 04/11/2012 11:51:38 AM PDT by urchin
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To: driftdiver
On youtube there are a lot of videos showing actual penetration of various calibers. I always shied away from a .357 simple because I was worried about over penetration of the neighbors house.

I've heard "over-penetration" mentioned time after time, and you know what? In a real-life gunfight, the majority of the shots fired miss the target entirely-- so I consider that "over-penetration" is simply not a valid concern.

My main concern is that my weapon will be effective against an attacker. If I shoot, I will do so because it's a Life and Death situation. I must stop my assailant or I will die, so I want a weapon and ammo that makes big holes and leaves big exit wounds. The possibility that someone downrange may stop a stray bullet is fairly remote, but the chances of losing a fight due to poor penetration is a real possibility.

I'm keeping my .357 loaded with Hydrashoks and my 12-ga with #1 buckshot. Good for a minimum of 12" penetration in ballistic gelatin, effective when used as directed.

28 posted on 04/11/2012 12:10:31 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Max in Utah

“I’ve heard “over-penetration” mentioned time after time, and you know what? In a real-life gunfight, the majority of the shots fired miss the target entirely— so I consider that “over-penetration” is simply not a valid concern.”

I’m not necessarily worried about over-penetration of the target threatening my life. I’m worried about the bullets that hit or miss the target which go through the remainder of the house causing damage to people. In some cases the would exit the house and endanger the neighbors.

If you aren’t concerned about whats behind your target then you aren’t a responsible gun owner.


29 posted on 04/11/2012 12:28:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Max in Utah

“I’ve heard “over-penetration” mentioned time after time, and you know what? In a real-life gunfight, the majority of the shots fired miss the target entirely— so I consider that “over-penetration” is simply not a valid concern.”

I’m not necessarily worried about over-penetration of the target threatening my life. I’m worried about the bullets that hit or miss the target which go through the remainder of the house causing damage to people. In some cases the bullets would exit the house and endanger the neighbors.

If you aren’t concerned about whats behind your target then you aren’t a responsible gun owner.


30 posted on 04/11/2012 12:29:38 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Joe Brower

I’m not just an owner, I’m an advocate. I don’t treat my interest in firearms as some dirty secret.

Nor will I allow ignorance, or outright fraud, to go unchallenged.

If you don’t know, I can point you in the right direction.

If you don’t like firearms, and just don’t care... Go on your way and the best of luck to you.

If you work actively against my Rights, I will come down upon you like the fist of an angry God. It is the least you deserve.


31 posted on 04/11/2012 1:23:30 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: driftdiver
If you aren’t concerned about whats behind your target then you aren’t a responsible gun owner.

We're not talking about target shooting. I'll be concerned about it after the gunfight is over, if I survive.

32 posted on 04/11/2012 2:38:14 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Joe Brower

23 years ago today my 16 year old son was brutally murdered with a 2 ft section of fence post, by a sociopath, who ambushed him on his way home from school..just to see what it felt like to kill. And consigned me to eternal pain in my heart. You never get over losing your child to a killer.

No one marched, no one protested, they just plea bargained 1st degree murder down to 2nd and 20 years, of which I fought for every one of the 14.5 years he served, longer than my Jeremy lived on this earth.

WHICH IS WHY I AM A GUN OWNER TOO.

Heaven Got Another Angel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hASQH9EfQA&feature=related


33 posted on 04/11/2012 3:46:33 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter or president who FAILS to keep faith with the Military, WON'T keep faith with U)
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To: Max in Utah

I’m sure your children and neighbors appreciate it.


34 posted on 04/11/2012 3:58:06 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GailA

God bless you, there’s nothing worse than losing a child and the ‘manner’ makes worse!


35 posted on 04/11/2012 3:59:37 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: MtBaldy

The only thing holding them back is the sure knowledge that whitey tends to be heavily armed.


36 posted on 04/11/2012 6:11:45 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: ZULU

An AR-15 can’t be modified to .308, the .308 cartridge is just too long. But someone has already thought of the solution and made the AR-10. The biggest problem with them is that they tend to be finicky and magazines are expensive at $60 each. For what it cost you for an AR-10 you can get a M1A with many mags or an FN FAL with a bunch of mags and a bunch of ammo.


37 posted on 04/11/2012 6:27:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: MtBaldy

You could get a shot out Mauser and build your own sniper rifle. A nice barrel, a decent trigger, custom stock, a decent scope, a few more tricks and your are set.


38 posted on 04/11/2012 6:34:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: ZULU

Some give the lame argument that the Garand only holds 8 rounds. With practice, you can be reloaded in under 3 seconds.


39 posted on 04/11/2012 6:40:05 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You could get a brand new Serbian Mauser made before WWII, from Mitchell’s Mausers for only $299.

I have the same rifle except it was slightly used. It is a perfectly good Mauser. The machining appears to be equal to some of the other better makers. The stocks are not as pretty as the German walnut ones but the wood is supposed to be very tough. Some even claim it is teak.


40 posted on 04/11/2012 8:58:24 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Mad Dawgg

I completely agree with your choice of the 12 gauge 870 and the 10/22. The 10/22 is not one of the best .22s but it has the advantage of quickly changeable mags and plenty of high (and low) quality 30, 40, or 50 round mags.

A .22LR out of a rifle barrel will tear the heck out of a human body and it is so easy to just keep firing until the target goes down. The 10/22 as they come are not the most accurate .22 rifles but they shoot pretty well, way better than is needed for across the room or even across the parking lot. With good quality mags they are very reliable and that is what counts.

Next is a pistol to keep beside your bed or in your car. There are so many good choices here that I am not even going to mention anything.


41 posted on 04/11/2012 9:06:20 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Exactly. And a hit with a .30-06 is very convincing and accurate out to some distance.


42 posted on 04/12/2012 7:51:00 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: yarddog

Yes, but you wouldn’t want to chop up your Mauser. I bought a Cz24 with a shot out barrel and cracked handguard for $60 and was able to turn it into a real .308 tack driver for a few hundred bucks.


43 posted on 04/12/2012 11:22:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

A local dealer has a CZ in nice shape except the bore has a moderate amount of pitting. It might still shoot OK but he wants $300 for it. Just too much for one with a bad bore.


44 posted on 04/12/2012 11:26:57 AM PDT by yarddog
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