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Why I Called George Zimmerman a Murderer, and Why I Was Wrong
PJMEDIA ^ | April 11, 2012 | Bob Owens

Posted on 04/11/2012 9:46:20 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER

On March 17, I thought I had it all figured out. I wrote a post [1] on my blog in which I pronounced America’s most famous neighborhood watch captain guilty:

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; iamnotbobowens; martin; press; threadjijack; trayvonmartin; vanity; zimmerman
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1 posted on 04/11/2012 9:46:29 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Good points. Though I think you’re off about when Zimmerman left his car. My understanding is that he was still on the phone with the dispatcher for part of the time he was on foot chasing Martin.

I too fell for the original story, in pretty much the same way you did.

This is kind of scary, because without the internet little of this countervailing info would have come out, and I would still believe the MSM story.

Had you heard that Z had led a public campaign to get two of the cops who investigated him punished in a case involving the beating of a homeless black man? At the very least, this would mean they had little reason to like him or cut him any slack.


2 posted on 04/11/2012 9:56:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I’m not Bob Owens, I didn’t write the article.


3 posted on 04/11/2012 9:59:34 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I think a lot of people owe Zimmerman an apology at the very least, and given that most journalists don’t have such integrity I hope that when this mess is over Zimmerman retains a good lawyer and starts suing the lamestream press one after the other for defamation. I hope he starts with NBC which edited the 911 call to make Zimmerman sound racist and CNN that must have said 100 times “it sounds like he’s saying f****** c***”


4 posted on 04/11/2012 9:59:38 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Holder will make you right again. Zimmerman will be found guilty of a race related civil rights violation. Zimmerman should have just laid there and died. Racist a$$hole for wanting to live


5 posted on 04/11/2012 9:59:58 AM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
Nice defense of Zimmermann at the direct link below, completely contrary to the case they are making that he is already guilty at MSNBC. Last night they reported that the Special Procecuter will make a public announcement in 72 hours rom then, and that Zimm's whole defense team quit. If he is not indicted now the libs who watch MSNBC heads will explode.

Why I Called George Zimmerman a Murderer, and Why I Was Wrong, I won't get fooled by media again (PJ Media link)

6 posted on 04/11/2012 10:00:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: AtlasStalled

Have you ever heard Al or Jesse admit they made a mistake or apologize? It ain’t gonna happen!


7 posted on 04/11/2012 10:01:58 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; rarestia

Your blog entry is the most coherent and factually most complete compendium of this mess I have read so far. Much better than *any* mainstream media account. Good job!

Don’t feel like the lone ranger in regards to initially “finding Zimmerman guilty” and changing your mind. I did exactly the same thing, for most of the same reasons — I even argued Martin’s case on this forum — before the rest of the facts came to light and I changed my mind 180 degrees.

Thanks and FRegards


8 posted on 04/11/2012 10:02:23 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: South Dakota

I had to use the title according to forum rules. I didn’t write the article. I’ve never doubted Zimmerman’s story.


9 posted on 04/11/2012 10:04:34 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Sherman Logan

>> I’m not Bob Owens, I didn’t write the article.

You listed yourself as the author — that’s where we’re picking it up, you know.


10 posted on 04/11/2012 10:04:54 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Of course you’re right . . . I don’t think that idiot wind Al Sharpton has even paid the defamation judgment on which he was held liable in connection with the Tawana Brawley case.


11 posted on 04/11/2012 10:07:23 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: Nervous Tick

I listed myself as the poster. Bob Owens isn’t a Freeper as far as I know.


12 posted on 04/11/2012 10:08:42 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

BFL


13 posted on 04/11/2012 10:11:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
This post is from a previous thread. I heard this exchange.

Monday morning I was listening to a black radio station here in NYC (WBLS). The host of the morning show is Steve Harvey, a comedian and also a person who has (or had) his own television show. That morning he presented a segment that was called “Ask the Judge”. In the segment a judge listens to problems individual callers present on-the-air and he (the Judge) attempts to give legal direction.

Just before the start of the segment, Steve Harvey introduces the Judge. He was none other the the Judge Mathis from one of those judge shows on TV.

So Steve asks the Judge, “you’re from Detroit, right?” Judge Mathis responds that yes he is from Detroit but he is presently down in Florida to, “help make sure justice is served”. Steve Harvey then agrees with Judge Mathis that justice must be served and then tells the Judge to,”just do your part” and “get him inside” and “we’ll take over from there.”

If this guy is imprisoned, he is as good as dead.

14 posted on 04/11/2012 10:12:29 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
You also listed yourself as the author:

Why I Called George Zimmerman a Murderer, and Why I Was Wrong

PJMEDIA ^ | April 11, 2012 | swampsniper

16 posted on 04/11/2012 10:12:41 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Bob is a contrite sucker, let the riots begin.


17 posted on 04/11/2012 10:17:20 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
The system already knows you're the poster. :-)

You put the name of the actual author in the Author field.


18 posted on 04/11/2012 10:19:32 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
I feel Bob's pain. I also made similar pronouncements a few weeks ago (albeit anonymously on various web forums).

Let it be a lesson to me. Never, ever trust the media to report the story. They are always working an angle. In this case, it has become as obvious as the sunrise that they spun this story to inflame racial tensions in order to motivate Eric Holder's people to come out in droves to vote for Eric Holder's boss.

19 posted on 04/11/2012 10:20:30 AM PDT by jboot
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Have you ever STARTED a thread? There is no provision to put anyone’s name in the little boxes other than your own. Using the original article title is strictly encouraged to make searches easier.. I didn’t write the title, I just followed the rules and pasted it in.


20 posted on 04/11/2012 10:21:06 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Nervous Tick

BTTT!


21 posted on 04/11/2012 10:21:47 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; SWAMPSNIPER
Swampsniper is the thread poster, not the author.
22 posted on 04/11/2012 10:22:17 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
At this point I don't have *nearly* enough info to reach a firm conclusion.However what I've seen suggests that Zimmerman had the right to shoot under the circumstances.To be *absolutely* certain,one way or the other,I want to know *everything* I can learn about Zimmerman and the kid...from independent sources (opinions of family/friends don't count).Drugs...arrests...school records...facebook/twitter posts,etc,etc,etc.I want to see the pathology report on the kid.I want to see any medical reports that might have been written about Zimmerman after the incident...with photos,if taken.

My *hunch* at this moment is that the kid was a gangsta punk in the making (twitter/facebook posts I've seen attributed to him...school suspensions) and that Zimmerman was a reasonably respectable,if not fully respectable,guy.

23 posted on 04/11/2012 10:23:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President To Have Served In My Lifetime.)
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To: sport

>> You and the rest of the lynch Zimmerman posse got the ball started,why stop now. The damage has already been done,at least admire your work.

Excuse me for pointing it out, “sport” — but that’s the kind of comment a flaming asshole would make.


24 posted on 04/11/2012 10:23:51 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Bob Owens - "a second eyewitness also identified George Zimmerman as the man on the ground crying for help. The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager."

__________________________ Teen witness to Trayvon Martin’s shooting ‘couldn’t see anything’: Mom “He kept telling them [the police] he couldn't see anything because it was too dark,” she said. “He said he couldn't see the race or anything." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-george-zimmerman-killing-trayvon-martin-grainy-proves-lawyer-article-1.1052713#ixzz1rklwaQvK

25 posted on 04/11/2012 10:25:19 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Navy Patriot
No, I didn't post the damned thing, there is an impostor running loose on the forum!
Jeez, I've never seen so many damned primadonnas at one time!
26 posted on 04/11/2012 10:26:13 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Navy Patriot; All

Lots of people got sucked in by the MSM misrepresentation of events. It is a very good illustration of how we are fooled everyday. Be vigilant, be skeptical, and help spread truth and facts via the new media.


27 posted on 04/11/2012 10:27:20 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I owe you an apology. The way the areicle was worded, I thought you wrote the article. After this is posted I am going to request thar the moderator to remove my response.


28 posted on 04/11/2012 10:29:06 AM PDT by sport
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

ping


29 posted on 04/11/2012 10:30:34 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
there is an impostor running loose on the forum!

LOL!

30 posted on 04/11/2012 10:32:06 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Nervous Tick
blog entry is the most coherent and factually most complete compendium of this mess I have read so far. Much better than *any* mainstream media account. Good job!

Ditto!

31 posted on 04/11/2012 10:36:13 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I guess I’m prejudiced. I didn’t fall for the original story because it fit too nicely into the main-stream media PC racial paradigm.

Which means I never believe what I hear from them in the first two weeks. So far, I’ve never been wrong with this practice. I thought there was probably no rape at duke, too.

The time may come when I turn out to be mistaken. Real evidence trumps all, in my book. But until you have it, go with the probabilities.


32 posted on 04/11/2012 10:37:01 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Bravo Sierra, obtuse one.


33 posted on 04/11/2012 10:37:10 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
This article sets a very clear stage of events. Zimmerman lost sight of Martin who was already embarking on a sneak attack, 'clocking' Zimmerman from behind in true 'gansta' fashion. If even the slightest fingerprint of Martin is on Zimmerman's gun, Martin LOSES in more ways than one.

IMHO, Zimmerman was screaming for help not because his head was being bashed, but because a life-threatening struggle over a gun had ensued. Martin made the mistake of assaulting an armed person, THAT is the overriding factor here.

34 posted on 04/11/2012 10:37:32 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; AuH2ORepublican
Have you ever STARTED a thread?

Yes, he has - and he did it correctly.

35 posted on 04/11/2012 10:39:59 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Goddamn it, SwampSniper, don’t you know better than to just accept the media narrative? I mean, comon Mr. Owens, you know better than that.


36 posted on 04/11/2012 10:44:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: marktwain
Lots of people got sucked in by the MSM misrepresentation of events. It is a very good illustration of how we are fooled everyday. Be vigilant, be skeptical, and help spread truth and facts via the new media.

Check out response #12 at the source - very interesting take on how/why we get fooled by the media.

37 posted on 04/11/2012 10:44:40 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: marktwain
Lots of people got sucked in by the MSM misrepresentation of events. It is a very good illustration of how we are fooled everyday. Be vigilant, be skeptical, and help spread truth and facts via the new media.

Amen.

I've been on board for nearly 20 years now, one of the reasons nearly everyone hates me. I never miss an opportunity to point out to a leftist when they have been victimized or screwed by another leftist.

38 posted on 04/11/2012 10:45:03 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Nice summary by Owens. Thanks for posting.


39 posted on 04/11/2012 10:52:26 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Nervous Tick; SWAMPSNIPER

HOW could you say that from just those 29 words?

Oh. I see what you must mean. You went beyond the crappy excerpt and clicked the link.


40 posted on 04/11/2012 10:55:57 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Charles Martel
Check out response #12 at the source - very interesting take on how/why we get fooled by the media.

Direct link: http://pjmedia.com/blog/why-i-called-george-zimmerman-a-murderer-and-why-i-was-wrong/#comment-2661241

41 posted on 04/11/2012 10:57:29 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Good rundown of events. I have to admit that I had a myopic view of the incident initially. I thought Zimmerman was a cowboy out looking for trouble. I started getting suspicious when a witness, a blonde woman, came forward early to say that she heard the cries for help and the shot and concluded that it was Trayvon crying for help because, according to her logic, Trayvon was dead, ergo he must have been the one crying for help, and she was pretty darn sure of herself. I knew at that point that she may end up eating her words and there may be more to the story.


42 posted on 04/11/2012 10:58:19 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Blogs are news?? Who gives a sh*t what this pinhead thinks?


43 posted on 04/11/2012 10:59:33 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
You screwed this thread up from the get go.
 
Besides the screw up over the author, you forgot...
 

You do know that you can post more than 10 words in a thread, don't you?
 
You should have just requested the moderators to simply delete this thread.


44 posted on 04/11/2012 11:01:32 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: chesley

Same here. I never for a minute believed the MSM version of what happened. I posted on quite a few threads on FR and got a lot of hell from fellow FReepers on how I was wrong and how Zimmerman was a cold blooded murderer. I endured some very vicious attacks from other posters. I notice that they have all slithered off to hide their sorry butts now that the facts are dripping out.

It should be an embarrassment to them to have swallowed the MSM line so quickly and so deeply.


45 posted on 04/11/2012 11:03:01 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; SWAMPSNIPER

I’m pretty sure SWAMPSNIPER isn’t a “blog pimp”, if that’s the point you’re intending to make. :-)


46 posted on 04/11/2012 11:04:42 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: sickoflibs
I took the media’s claims at face value and erroneously labeled George Zimmerman a murderer based upon false information that was designed to arrange a lynching.

I won’t get fooled again, and I hope that prosecutor Angela Corey, who dismissed the grand jury this week, won’t fall into the same trap of trying to pursue a narrative instead of true justice.

Amazing link, sick - thanks.

47 posted on 04/11/2012 11:06:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
George Zimmerman used questionable judgment in leaving his vehicle.

No, he didn't. The questionable judgement was Martin backtracking to confront Zimmerman.

Glad the author finally figured it out over the course of days or weeks. It took many of us here about two seconds.

48 posted on 04/11/2012 11:07:36 AM PDT by bgill
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To: CodeToad

>> Who gives a sh*t what this pinhead thinks?

I do. It’s a well-written, well-argued, factually complete piece. I’d rank it *ahead* of the typical work of many so-called “professional” pundits.

On the other hand, I’m quite familiar with your posts, and they’re all low-grade drivel, and arrogant to boot. So who gives a sh*t what YOU think?


49 posted on 04/11/2012 11:09:22 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick; humblegunner

Well, no. The point I’m making is that he claimed he was the author of this blog. Which he is not. Then he posted an excerpt. A crappy too short excerpt that provided NO content.

He then got pissy about it. He has - in effect - hijacked his own thread. Most replies are focused on his screw up, rather than the blog itself.

But since you mention that he is not a blog pimp, then I’ll consider that.

Done considering. He IS a blog pimp. He posted this blog in News and not blogger.

Where is humblegunner when we need him?


50 posted on 04/11/2012 11:11:55 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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