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Bloomberg: ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws Don’t Belong in Civilized Society
politicker.com ^ | April 11, 2012 | Colin Campbell

Posted on 04/11/2012 1:31:19 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Mayor Michael Bloomberg went down to Washington D.C. earlier today to advocate for limits to “Stand Your Ground” laws, made famous the recent shooting of Trayvon Martin, which allow looser standards for the use of deadly force. Flanked by representatives of groups like the NAACP and National Urban League, he announced a new initiative to push states, particularly Florida, to reform their self-defense laws.

“These laws are not the kind of laws that a civilized society should have,” Mr. Bloomberg said at the event. “This has nothing to do with gun owners’ rights, nothing to do with the Second Amendment. Plain and simple, this is just trying to give people a license to murder.”

“No civilized society that I know of, outside of America, has laws that permit anybody to just decide someone shouldn’t be alive, pull out a gun, shoot them, and get away with it,” he later added.

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1 posted on 04/11/2012 1:31:24 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Really?? Neither do robbery or rape. So, until we reach social perfection....


2 posted on 04/11/2012 1:33:25 PM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! ABO! ABO!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This man doesn’t know what he is talking about. It is bull shit.

““No civilized society that I know of, outside of America, has laws that permit anybody to just decide someone shouldn’t be alive, pull out a gun, shoot them, and get away with it,..””

We don’t have laws like this either.


3 posted on 04/11/2012 1:34:07 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Bloomberg should lead by example and lose his security detail.


4 posted on 04/11/2012 1:34:56 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1/21/2009)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“No civilized society that I know of, outside of America, has laws that permit anybody to just decide someone shouldn’t be alive, pull out a gun, shoot them, and get away with it,”

OK, this Bozo is dumber than I am. Sheesh!


5 posted on 04/11/2012 1:35:15 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Bloomberg: ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws Don’t Belong in Civilized Society

Well, Bloomers....this Society is no longer Civilized....especially when NBPP is putting a bounty on a non-convicted man's head.

Bloomer's is such a pathetic, pandering hack.

6 posted on 04/11/2012 1:35:15 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Says a limousine liberal that has armed body guards the law says the public must obey or get shot.


7 posted on 04/11/2012 1:35:15 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Trayvon Martin is not the kind of person that a civilized society should have.


8 posted on 04/11/2012 1:35:30 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, in his mind we have an obligation to just “take it” when we are being victimized by a criminal.

Liberals are SICK.


9 posted on 04/11/2012 1:38:26 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I am getting really tired of this claim.

SYG has NOTHING to do with the Zimmerman/Martin case.

If Zimmerman’s story is what happened, it was self-defense by the law as it stood before SYG.

If the story told by Martin’s supporters is true, SYG doesn’t protect Zimmerman.

Either way, SYG is just not relevant to this case.


10 posted on 04/11/2012 1:38:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: All

Until we can outlaw Democrats, us truly civilized folk NEED these laws.....
Again, the Left is up in arms because these laws let whitey fight back!


11 posted on 04/11/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Bloominidot don’t belong where he is either....three term mayor of a two term city


12 posted on 04/11/2012 1:42:39 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So, in a civilized society, people should be required to run away when attacked ?

Do these people realize how pathetic that sounds ? They are advocating putting all honest citizens at the mercy of criminals. If you can’t use ‘the great equalizer’ against someone bashing your head into the ground, when can you ?


13 posted on 04/11/2012 1:43:40 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: SatinDoll
We don’t have laws like this either.

Well, Sharia Law will fix that.

14 posted on 04/11/2012 1:43:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So Bloombrain thinks we have a civilized society . . . it is because of morons like him who do not recognize the right and VIRTUE of self-defense that our society is no longer civilized.

I thought libtards believed in the self-esteem of the individual. How much self-worth can one accumulate when idiots in government like Bloomberg do not even believe that a person is worth enough to protect themselves from harm?

Abort to your heart’s content and do not protect yourself from harm . . . pure evil.


15 posted on 04/11/2012 1:44:41 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Kellis91789
If you can’t use ‘the great equalizer’ against someone bashing your head into the ground, when can you ?

Well... that all depends on your race, color, creed, national origin, how rich you are, or how much political pull you have.

16 posted on 04/11/2012 1:47:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

rape, robbery and murder is okay?

but self defense is bad?


17 posted on 04/11/2012 1:48:17 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Sherman Logan

I agree 100%.

This has ZERO to do with SYG. It sure isn’t like Zimmerman was sitting in a coffee shop somewhere and Martin came up and cold-cocked him.

Zimmerman should have done what dispatch told him to do, at the very least, he NEVER should have left his truck armed.

Look - I could put a pistol under my coat, go into a biker bar, walk up to the biggest guy there and call him a queer.
Then, as he’s beating the livin crap out of me, I could put one through him.

That’s not SYG - something I DID helped precipitate the incident.

Lots of FReepers will beat me up on this, but IMHO Zimmerman isn’t exactly the brightest bulb in the pack, he went out loaded for bear, and got himself into EXACTLY the kind of situation that he shouldn’t have.

And it gives responsible gun owners a BAD NAME, and I am extremely pissed about that.


18 posted on 04/11/2012 1:49:32 PM PDT by djf (Obama - the "OJ verdict" of presidents!!)
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To: SatinDoll
This man doesn’t know what he is talking about. It is bull shit.

““No civilized society that I know of, outside of America, has laws that permit anybody to just decide someone shouldn’t be alive, pull out a gun, shoot them, and get away with it,..””

If that is really the case Bloomy, why don't you fire your whole police dept., or at the very least, your personal security people? Lead by example you worthless POS! It shouldn't be a problem...no guns allowed in NYC!

19 posted on 04/11/2012 1:49:53 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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20 posted on 04/11/2012 1:50:43 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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In other words, Mayor Bloomie is telling women who are about to be raped to remain calm, and enjoy the shtup... among other things. Schmuck.


21 posted on 04/11/2012 1:52:25 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Bloomberg: Once we can get people to accept they have no right to defend themselves, it will be easier for us to trample any remaining liberties they have
22 posted on 04/11/2012 1:53:10 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: SatinDoll

Short people got no . . .


23 posted on 04/11/2012 1:55:10 PM PDT by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That statement just proves he’s never been on the wrong end of an ass kicking.


24 posted on 04/11/2012 1:55:26 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Maverick68
Until we can outlaw Democrats, us truly civilized folk NEED these laws.....

Excellent observation, LOL!

25 posted on 04/11/2012 1:55:32 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Perhaps then Mr. Bloomberg should start today to increase the prison room by at least 200% nationwide. Then the courts need to start using that room and fill it with the predators. And prison should not be a vacation - forced labor with long marches, ala the bataan death marches. Treat them like we treat predatory animals. Make it so people don’t want to go back to prison.

Then after the government can assure the “civil” society that the predators have been removed can we start talking about removing “stand your ground” laws - but by then we won’t need them.

I just don’t see this happening. The courts have so little regard for society that they spring repeat offenders on low bail, then wonder why they go do crimes again.

Being on equal footing with the predators by carrying a gun is a hell of a lot cheaper to me than the thousands of dollars per year that my taxes would have to go up to keep them in prison.

Or maybe would could just fence off an entire state size area and just dump them in there - eventually there would be far fewer because they would kill each other - predators never change their ways after all.


26 posted on 04/11/2012 1:56:23 PM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: djf

I would bet a very large sum Zimmerman wished he’d left his gun at home.

It is certainly possible he could have been beaten to death if he hadn’t been armed, but it is at least as possible that the intensity of the attack owed something to the presence of the gun.

No matter who started the fight, once both were aware the gun was there it became literally a life and death struggle over who controlled it.

Zim himself says (or so it has been reported) that he “had to shoot” to keep Martin from getting the gun. Martin, if he’d survived would no doubt be telling us he had to fight to protect himself against an armed attacker.

Any law that more or less vindicates whoever happens to survive is problematic. And I don’t mean SYG, which just doesn’t apply, for either side.


27 posted on 04/11/2012 1:56:30 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Free ThinkerNY
‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws Don’t Belong in Civilized Society

Laws to strengthen our Constitutional Rights don't belong in civilized society, but laws outlawing food seasonings are an absolute must. FU Mike Bloomberg and that nanny state disaster of a city you run


28 posted on 04/11/2012 1:56:38 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

FUMB! You socialist SOB!


29 posted on 04/11/2012 1:56:46 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

But then, neither does Blooming Idiot, the mayor of the most uncivilized city in the USA after Detroit, of course.


30 posted on 04/11/2012 1:57:14 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

So....give up your security detail, then, maybe we’ll talk....until then, go stick your bloomin’ stupid head where the sun don’t shine....oh, it’s already there?


31 posted on 04/11/2012 1:57:30 PM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Clara Lou

I am sure that Mayor Bloomberg’s bodyguards will respect his wishes for them to retreat when faced with a threat to his life.


32 posted on 04/11/2012 1:57:49 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Imagine a society where no one is willing to stand their ground, and then calcualte how long “civilization” will remain.


33 posted on 04/11/2012 2:02:28 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Okay, Bloomberg....then fire your security staff. Immediately.


34 posted on 04/11/2012 2:04:04 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Right we should have good gun laws like Weimar republic and USSR had.


35 posted on 04/11/2012 2:05:16 PM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Imagine a society where no one is willing to stand their ground, and then calcualte how long “civilization” will remain.


36 posted on 04/11/2012 2:06:31 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So Bloomberg thinks it is more “civilized” to give criminals free reign to rob, rape, assault, murder, etc., and give their law abiding victims no ability to resist?

Anyone who opposes Stand Your Ground has either not thought out the alternative or is utterly psychotic.

37 posted on 04/11/2012 2:06:31 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Limousine Liberal bump for later......
38 posted on 04/11/2012 2:07:49 PM PDT by indthkr
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To: djf
I ask anyone I don't know in the neighborhood who they are and what they are doing. I am usually armed. Does that mean I should get the crap beat out of me?

/johnny

39 posted on 04/11/2012 2:14:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sherman Logan

Problem is, the race pimpers want to make this ALL ABOUT RACE.
The RKBA folks want to make this ALL ABOUT SELF DEFENSE.

Both sides are wrong, it’s somewhere in the middle.


40 posted on 04/11/2012 2:18:46 PM PDT by djf (Obama - the "OJ verdict" of presidents!!)
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To: djf
I could put a pistol under my coat, go into a biker bar, walk up to the biggest guy there and call him a queer. Then, as he’s beating the livin crap out of me, I could put one through him.

Do you have any evidence that the situation between Zimmerman and Martin had any resemblance to your hypothetical?

And even if it did you are wrong. By your logic every time a police officer goes up to somebody, or pulls them over in traffic and asks them a question, or perhaps insults them, the police officer did something which precipitated the incident. So by your logic the police officer is at fault if they end up shooting some guy who is fighting with them during a traffic stop.

Sorry, but that logic is flawed.

41 posted on 04/11/2012 2:21:44 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He’s right. No civilized society should have a need for such a law.

It should be common sense that someone should stand their ground and defend themself.


42 posted on 04/11/2012 2:25:23 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In a truely civilized these laws wouldn’t be necessary because there would be no crime and no violence.


43 posted on 04/11/2012 2:25:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

But the savagery of white-on-black crime that has been happening for the last several weeks HAS a place in society?


44 posted on 04/11/2012 2:27:20 PM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Do you ask them nicely or do you act like a jerk?

(I’m assuming you ask them nicely)

But in this case look, Martins father lived right around the corner, he had EVERY right to walk down the street. He didn’t have a big screen TV strapped to his back. AKAIK, there were NO REPORTS that evening of break-ins or perps looking through windows.

Zimmerman could have simply stayed in his truck and waited for the police. At that time, there were NO life threatening events going on. No property crimes. Zero. Zilch.

I’m not a psychologist, nor do I play one on TV, but seems to me Zimmerman has a bit of a paranoid streak to him.


45 posted on 04/11/2012 2:28:29 PM PDT by djf (Obama - the "OJ verdict" of presidents!!)
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To: NRA1995

Sorry, meant black-on-white


46 posted on 04/11/2012 2:28:50 PM PDT by NRA1995 (I'll cling to my religion and guns till they're pried from my cold dead fingers!)
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To: djf
I just ask. And I've asked young 17 year olds that turned out to have every reason to walk down the street. They just didn't assault me.

/johnny

47 posted on 04/11/2012 2:35:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SatinDoll
Bloomy needs to chat with Eric Holder and Janet Reno before he ends his sentences. The end of his sentence should have been “unless you are in the justice department (lower case j used for effect). Bloomy attempts, once again, to use his overt stupidity as a liberal cloak of invisibility.
48 posted on 04/11/2012 2:36:40 PM PDT by centermass_socrates (Hanging chads dont bother me, but hanging SEIU-ers makes me grin!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
These laws are not the kind of laws that a civilized society should have,

A society that tolerates the level of violent crime endemic in our cities and towns is not a civilized society. Drastically reduce the level of violent crimes first then we can talk about what guns laws are reasonable in a civilized society.

49 posted on 04/11/2012 2:38:08 PM PDT by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Bloomber was stuggling to justify BLOATED TAXES.

As a government agent, Bloomberg is tryng to justify his existence. If people can self help, the why do we need to give so much to bloomberg. (shouldn’t he be off somewhere paying his fair share of obama taxes?)


50 posted on 04/11/2012 2:42:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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