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Two Open Carry Bills Moving Through Legislature(OK)
koco.com ^ | 11 April, 2012 | NA

Posted on 04/11/2012 5:34:32 PM PDT by marktwain

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Right now, two open carry bills allowing people to openly carry firearms are moving through the state legislature.

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Lawmakers are debating them, but first they want to clarify the rules. Rep. Steve Martin says the open carry law was stopped in 1971. However, it could soon be back.

"It is an open carry for people with a permit," said Martin.

Martin spearheaded the idea with House bill 2522. Then a similar bill proposed in the Senate changed some language for specific rules.

For instance if passed, this bill will not allow a business to ban their employees from leaving a loaded gun in their locked vehicle. However, the bill would still allow a person to carry a loaded or unloaded weapon on personal property. The person must display the handgun upon request from law enforcement.

"There is no change in where they can carry it," said Martin. "It simply would have to be in a holster, and they could wear them anywhere they currently can."

It's an idea not setting well with Delbert Brannon.

"Anybody that gets a license, they might be kind of mental for carrying a gun," said Brannon.

But Martin doesn't agree.

"When this becomes law, and I believe it will it will become law, the average citizen will not notice any differences as they go through the day," said Martin.

This recent bill also has another change. If someone doesn't provide their permit to police, the fine will be lowered from $500 to $100.

The latest bill passed the house and is headed back to the Senate. Martin said he is certain it will pass.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; ok; opencarry
If Oklahoma passes licensed open carry, it will reduce those states that prohibit open carry down to six.
1 posted on 04/11/2012 5:34:40 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
The operative law on this was passed / adopted in 1787.

Continuing to propose and debate additional laws on the subject lends credence to the argument that local or state governing bodies have anything to say about it and is counterproductive.

2 posted on 04/11/2012 6:03:34 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: marktwain
The operative law on this was passed / adopted in 1787.

Continuing to propose and debate additional laws on the subject lends credence to the argument that local or state governing bodies have anything to say about it and is counterproductive.

3 posted on 04/11/2012 6:05:18 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: marktwain

Lot of good folks make a case against open carry, some of it makes sense. The cool thing is even if you are concealed, like a hip holster, and yer piece prints or the barrel shows, you are still legal with open carry, right? You don’t have to be flagrant about it if you don’t want to.


4 posted on 04/11/2012 7:04:41 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: West Texas Chuck
That is exactly correct. Open carry can be flagratly exercising your right to keep and bear arms. That is why it is despised and railed against.

It openly advertises that the Constitution means something; that citizens are not helpless against the state; that the government has limits on what it can do.

All of these thing make the difference between a free society and a tyranny.

Those who hate the idea of an armed citizenry fear this flagrant exercise of Constitutional rights more than they fear the arms themselves.

5 posted on 04/11/2012 7:20:01 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I have no problem with legal open carry. Personally, I prefer to be a little more low key and not show everybody my hand. Makes presenting a little slower and more complexicated, but we ain’t living in Dodge City.

Yet. By this November, who knows?


6 posted on 04/11/2012 8:33:14 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: West Texas Chuck

My problem with the CCL law in Oklahoma is the “Concealed from detection and view” part of the law. Just exactly how do you conceal from detection? This is where the “printing” offense comes in. Someone who doesn’t like you, and knows you carry regularly, can allege they “see” your pistol. Don’t say never, it has happened.
Today the bills have been amended until the only open carry we will get this year will be on your own property. Even then if visible to the public, there is no protection from the “disturbing” or “disorderly” charge that can be used against the carrier.
As I said several months ago, LEO community is the biggest opponent of any kind of open carry in Oklahoma. They pressed for level 3 holster and retention training before any open carry could be allowed. That would effectively prohibit current CCL license holders from open carry until the training requirements, locations to receive this retention training, who the instructors would be and fees the trainers charge could be established.
While I can agree there may be some thug take a little ole lady’s pistol, why further incumber us in the free exercise of our rights?
Do journalists need training and a license before they can publish?
Do voters need to have training and a license before they vote?
Did the Tulsa World have their NICS check done and fill out a 4473 on those printing presses?
To me it’s about liberty. Will some goober mess up while open carrying? Drivers mess up every day and cars kill many more than guns.
Politicians who will not honor this basic concept, will not have my support, I don’t care how much they stand up and brag “we passed open carry”!
rant over carry on


7 posted on 04/12/2012 9:54:34 AM PDT by Duke_Digger
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To: marktwain
Tactically and socially, I prefer concealed carry. However, I prefer to hang my sport coat or suit jacket in the back of the vehicle while driving. But, I don't like [technically] breaking the law during the brief period my weapon is exposed while I step out of the vehicle to retrieve my jacket.

For a few minutes each year,   ;-)  Texas gets a mite too warm for anything but a T-shirt. I have always preferred to wear my shirttails tucked in, and open carry would make it so I don't have to run around looking like a Hawaiian ...just to stay legal... '-)

George Lavender, our (freshman) Tea Party Representative here in far northeast, did as he promised last session and introduced an open carry bill; unfortunately, all the budget battles kept it in committee until the term expired. Now we have a two year wait before we can try again... :-(

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8 posted on 04/12/2012 4:10:38 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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