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Do 8 cop shootings trump stop-and-frisk concerns?(NY)(Poll to freep)
crainsnewyork.com ^ | 10 April, 2012 | NA

Posted on 04/11/2012 7:12:57 PM PDT by marktwain

Eight New York City police officers have been shot in the past four months. Illegal guns from out of state “are turning our city into a shooting gallery,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told the New York Daily News this week. His department’s controversial stop-and-frisk polices uncovered 800 such guns last year. “There is a reason why we continue to be proactive on the street,” Mr. Kelly said. But critics of his stop-and-frisk practices say that tens of thousands of Constitutionally wrong searches conducted annually in mostly minority neighborhoods do not a single right make.

Does the spree of recent cop-shootings trump NYPD critics’ stop-and-frisk concerns?

* Yes. Cops’ lives should come first. The NYPD should stop and frisk more people and get more guns off the street.

* No. Citizens’ rights come first. This spate of shootings happened despite NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk—the approach failed.

(Excerpt) Read more at mycrains.crainsnewyork.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; ny; police
Yes 119 votes 54%

No 101 votes 46%

Ripe for freeping. Wanting to disarm the public does not override the 4th Amendment of the Constitution.

1 posted on 04/11/2012 7:13:02 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Let the citizens carry and the statistics would change dramatically.


2 posted on 04/11/2012 7:16:54 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: doc1019

There is a difference between a “frisk” and a “search”. A frisk is a pat down. A search is an officer going in your pockets. The author does not differentiate.


3 posted on 04/11/2012 7:22:39 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: doc1019
Sounds like "family dogs" all over the city are finally getting some skin back against the Killer Pigs, whose reputations for slaughtering family pets has dogs across America rising up in justifiable outrage.

8^D

4 posted on 04/11/2012 7:23:39 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Ich bein eine Breitbart")
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To: cumbo78
I say frisk the cops and take their guns away. Disarm a cop, save a pet.

8^D

5 posted on 04/11/2012 7:26:30 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Ich bein eine Breitbart")
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To: cumbo78
Kinda like getting just a “little pregnant”?

The end justifies the means?

No thanks. I'll keep my Constitutional rights.

6 posted on 04/11/2012 7:40:03 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: Gargantua
I say frisk the cops and take their guns away.

You're close. Frisk Mayor Bloomberg's bodyguards, and take their guns away. Bloomberg thinks guns, not criminals, are the problem. So Bloomberg should have no problem with his bodyguards going unarmed.

7 posted on 04/11/2012 7:43:53 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: marktwain
Yes 44% 123 Votes

No 56% 151 Votes

8 posted on 04/11/2012 7:50:44 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

It’s been 50 ‘no’ votes to 4 ‘yes’ votes since the start of the thread.


9 posted on 04/11/2012 7:52:54 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: marktwain

If you don’t manufacture any guns, all guns are from out of state. Legal or otherwise...

Does Ithaca or anyone else still manufacture in NY?


10 posted on 04/11/2012 7:57:44 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: One Name; All
What is the purpose of threads such as these?

It is to demoralize the anti-freedom forces, to make them realize their small minority and inferior position, to smell victory and to listen to their plaintiff lamentations.

11 posted on 04/11/2012 8:05:48 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: One Name
"Does Ithaca or anyone else still manufacture in NY?"


12 posted on 04/11/2012 8:09:52 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: marktwain

They just keep trying to gin up support for the anti-gun movement, despite all evidence to the contrary. Bloomberg is now trying to wield national support to walk back the “Stand Your Ground” state statutes, as if that is some sort of big problem creating massive death to anyone but criminals.

He can keep his NY nanny BS packed tightly up his own rectum. We don’t find your argument compelling at all, Mayor Bloomberg. Go blow your smoke up somebody else’s ass.


13 posted on 04/11/2012 8:16:45 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: marktwain

Disband the police, give everybody a gun and a lot of these problems will be resolved.


14 posted on 04/11/2012 8:20:10 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Retro Sark...because you just never know when you'll have needed a sark tag.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Smoke my ass!

I can’t afford a Kimber but I am impressed that they are making top notch sidearms on the devils back door step.

New York was once such a key manufacturing state- a huge part of the gun industry at one time.

I’ve bought parts from Numrich over the years but didn’t realize Kimber was there. Thanks FRiend!


15 posted on 04/11/2012 8:24:29 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: One Name

Yep. Kimber was originally founded in Oregon, but actually relocated to Yonkers.


16 posted on 04/11/2012 8:27:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Wow- that’s an against the regulatory-current change of location.
Must really burn Blossombird, or whatever his name is.


17 posted on 04/11/2012 8:36:08 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: marktwain

Legalize possession and armed self-defense, and the problem will go away.

Plus, of course, the city will then be in consonance with the Constitution of the United States - not that the city government gives a rat’s ***.


18 posted on 04/11/2012 8:43:41 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: One Name
Ironic, isn't it, that much of our nation's firearms industry was been rooted in New England for so long...it boggles the mind that the locals are so against and industry that helped build their states.

Similarly, I'm a big Armalite fan, and they see fit to set up shop in Illinois...

19 posted on 04/11/2012 8:54:38 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: cumbo78
The other thing about the poll question that is strange is I just read an article a couple days ago attributing the increase in police being shot to the stop and frisk policies. These policies put police proactively in contact with "the usual suspects" and some of them shoot cops.
20 posted on 04/11/2012 8:57:51 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Ruger in Connecticut; Springfield in Mass and so many others...

True Yankees are in the minority in New England these days. I was born in Missouri but the United States was birthed by Yankee Patriots.


21 posted on 04/11/2012 9:12:32 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: One Name
Yep. I was born and raised in PA and as such, always had a fondness for these...


22 posted on 04/11/2012 9:18:06 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: marktwain; dynachrome

This one could use some help.


23 posted on 04/11/2012 9:20:03 PM PDT by AZ .44 MAG (Repeal Obama)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You’re my hero.

My favorite movie is “The Last of the Mohicans”

Named my boy Nathaniel “of the monkees”


24 posted on 04/11/2012 9:26:56 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: marktwain
Illegal guns from out of state “are turning our city into a shooting gallery,” - That's the first time I eve heard of guns shooting themselves; normally it takes a person holding the gun to pull the trigger.

No circumstances can trump truly unalienable rights; otherwise they aren't rights just permissions from the state.

25 posted on 04/11/2012 9:32:06 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (In case of doubt: Attack! George S. Patton)
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To: marktwain

Illegal guns from out of state “are turning our city into a shooting gallery,” Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told the New York Daily News this week.

Really, you can’t fix stupid......
So Ray is it your claim that guns are walk,flying magically appearing in your town and discharging themselves into you citizens? Got a news flash for ya. Doesn;t work that way.
What is turning you city into a shooting gallery is its citizens. Deal with it..........


26 posted on 04/11/2012 11:15:07 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: marktwain; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...
no at 69% now. Thanks to AZ.44mag for the ping!

FREEP THIS POLL ***PING!*** FRmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Fearless Poll-Freeping Freepers Ping list. And be sure to ping me to any polls that need Freepin', if I miss them. (looks like a medium volume list) (gordongekko909, founder of the pinglist, stays on the list until his ghost signs up for the list)

27 posted on 04/12/2012 2:48:21 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: marktwain; dynachrome

Yes. Cops’ lives should come first. The NYPD should stop and frisk more people and get more guns off the street.
(30%, 139 Votes)

No. Citizens’ rights come first. This spate of shootings happened despite NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk—the approach failed.
(70%, 317 Votes)

Total Voters: 456


28 posted on 04/12/2012 3:24:44 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: marktwain

Does the spree of recent cop-shootings trump NYPD critics’ stop-and-frisk concerns?

Yes. Cops’ lives should come first. The NYPD should stop and frisk more people and get more guns off the street. (30%, 140 Votes)

No. Citizens’ rights come first. This spate of shootings happened despite NYPD’s use of stop-and-frisk—the approach failed. (70%, 328 Votes)

Total Voters: 469


29 posted on 04/12/2012 7:58:42 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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