Here's a solution...If you're so disillusioned then LEAVE! Problem solved.
This isn't the Romper Room, is it?
Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!
No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!
NO ROMNEY!!
Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!
Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.
In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.
FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!
We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!
I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!
FUMR!! FUGOP!!
Long live the rebellion!!
Hope my message is clear.
With you.
Works for me!
The worst part is that they think they are. Another liberal trademark. Delusion.
Oops...I’m namecalling again.... ;)
With Romney we have a chance of saving this nation; with Obama our destruction is certain. I didn't create the choice that's before us, but it is the reality they we face. We aren't in this position because i abandoned my principles.
OK, you tell me, how does your opting not to vote (which will indeed benefit the Marxist, and the final destruction of our Free Republic) not abandon your beliefs and your love of this country? You see, it's all perspective. We both love the country, we're just a crossroads on this issue.
I sure do miss the days when people were banned from FR for criticizing GWB’s big government ways.
...you must be too stupid to understand why I asked the question.
IMO you're doing nothing more than trying to trap him in his own words. I'm not so stupid as to miss that. (he apparently isn't either)
Go vent your misery somewhere else.
As far as I'm concerned you can shove your wares where the sun don't shine.
“It really is sad. Truth is, we’re all on the same team here, but this issue (which is a big one!) could fracture us badly.”
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I’m hoping Jim will be a wise (and fair) moderator and won’t let it come to that.
“You two aren't fooling anybody.”
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Excuse me?
So, I guess in this post, you're tag teaming with Norm?
Good grief, is this the most substantive thing you could post considering the topic?
But she didn't run. Didn't even enter the race. I'll bet she won't challenge at the convention, won't run a write-in campaign or do anything to show she even wants the job.
I can't see blaming the GOP for that. Or for other candidates not running. Or for other candidates not getting more delegates.
I still get to vote for Newt and am supporting him as long as he is in the race. But I'm not blaming the GOP if my candidate doesn't win.
I wasn’t trying to trap anyone, I was honestly asking for his answer. He gave it and I respect his answer.
By the way, who the hell asked for your sh!tty input, seems like you are trying to pick fights with multiple people on this post.
You must be a blast at parties.
“We are faced with a binary choice of 0bama in or 0bama out.”
Excellent and succinct observation.
...with Obama our destruction is certain.
As for myself I would rather face the person accosting me than be stabbed in the back.
Nonsense. We are faced with a binary choice of 0bama in or 0bama out. A vote for a write-in or fringe candidate does absolutely nothing to harm 0bama’s chance of re-election. You might as well skip the presidential preference vote if you aren't going to support the only viable challenger to 0bama. (At this point there is no question that the viable challenger will be the GOP nominee.) A vote for the nominee cancels a vote for 0bama. A vote for a fringe candidate is a mere protest, which in the grand scheme works against the GOP nominee and in 0bama’s favor (assuming your natural tendency would NOT be to favor 0bama). Pretend all you want, but you are aiding 0bama by voting for anyone other than his most serious challenger.
In theory you are right starting from the idea that to allow an evil to take place without making an effort to stop it makes you complicit in the act. However I think you are making two assumptions and come to the wrong conclusion:
Assumption 1. Anybody really is better than Obama. Of course by anyone I mean Romney, and that debate has been the topic of many other threads. In short, replacing Obama with a man who believes in socialism at whatever level of government may or may not be an improvement. We currently have a federal government that spends half a billion dollars in less than two hours. This country may not be able to wait through a moderate who won't stand strong on spending cuts. If that is true then we may trully be danged if we do and danged if we don't.
Assumption 2:Conscience has it's limits. Even on matter of clear right and wrong like abortion my conscience kicks me if I think of having to vote for Romney. Can I trust him to appoint judges that will protect my rights or the rights of the unborn? Based on his record clearly the answer is no. Can I then with a clean conscience vote for Romney and if I do not heed my conscience what sort of a man am I?
Now then, setting aside my restraint, despondency, and reasonableness.
Amen, Jim. Now is not the time to loose sight of our ideals. Our Liberty is at stake now is no time to almost do something.
“Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.” Patrick Henry.
As soon as you answer my question, I’ll be happy to address yours. Again, Go ahead and explain to me how voting for Mitt is acceptable without abandoning everything you claim to believe in as a conservative.
Nice.
Unhinged behavior: check
Language from the gutter: check
Folks, it’s like DU around here.
This is a real problem overlooked her, i think.
You can’t blame the establishment GOP for screwing your candidate if they themselves don’t get into the race. All the people we begged to run that were tea party conservatives didn’t run.
You’re nuts. McCain was vilified on FR right up to the election. The ONLY reason the ticket got any support was because of Palin.
Just two old acquaintances passing a comment or two between each other
about something painfully obvious to anybody with the discernment to see.
False choice. Straw man.
We can vote for whoever we like. I’m writing in Palin if Newt fails. You can join me or it’s your fault if Obama is elected. See how that works?
locked and loaded. when do we roll?
...seems like you are trying to pick fights with multiple people on this post.
Well if that's the way you perceive things to be then I'll not dissuade your from your belief.
Carry on.
Oh, PLEASE!! The Romney supporters have been flinging insults such as “stupid”, “naive”, “purist”, and “traitor”.
I agree.
It will come down to Obama versus one realistic opponent. I'm going to vote against Obama by voting for the realistic opponent. I had hopes for Cain and then Gingrich, but it now looks like that opponent will be Romney.
I'm just playing the odds. There is no chance that Obama will gut Obamacare. There is some chance that Romney will gut Obamacare. As Mark Steyn says, socialized medicine fundamentally transforms the relationship between citizens and their government. Once in place, socialized medicine is impossible to eliminate. This is our last chance to stop America from becoming a full-on socialist country.
There is no chance that Obama will appoint conservative Supreme Court justices. There is some chance that Romney will do so.
That's it. Those are the important issues here. Much more important than sticking it to the Republican establishment.
Your post reminds me of a column that, I believe, Thomas Sewell wrote early on in the primary.
His point was that what had to happen is all the NotRomneys drop out except for one, and the others support him against Romney. As long as this didn’t happen, the vote would be split.
It’s not the GOP’s fault, it is because of the field (and those who didn’t run) and the primary voters.
Well, we finally have just one left (excepting Paul of course) against Romney.
It may be too late, but I don’t care, I’m full out for Newt and I still get to vote for him.
“BS! You’re wanting to go off the cliff at 70 instead of 100. You aren’t even wanting to slam on the brakes which is what’s needed.”
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OK, we have Obama and Romney; care to tell us how to slam the brakes on here? There’s a term and a concept you should get familiar with...it’s called reality. You can sit home feeling sorry for yourself on election night, but that won’t accomplish anything. In the immortal words of Burgess Meredith (Grumpy Old Men): “You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, and see which one gets filled first.”
“Reality” is voting for a conservative. That’s the choice a conservative has. If you are one, that’s your choice. If you are not, then you are free to vote for a non conservative like Romney.
We’ll just see if we can get to a brokered convention first. This primary is not yet in the bag for that slimebag liar from Massachusetts.
“If you’re so “concerned” then LEAVE”
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You’d like that, wouldn’t you? No one left to point out reality.
No, you see... I too am concerned, and that is why I’m not leaving. If Jim ever wants to zot me, that’s his choice, but like I said, I know he’s a good man and I do not think he will do that to a fellow vet who only wishes the same goal of removing Barak Obama, and discussing that objective in a respectful and rational adult manner.
You tried. but ‘running to the right’ does not a conservative make. And to vote for him, one has, by definition to accept his stance on gay rights et all, which are the opposite of conservative.
A conservative, by definition cannot do so.
Clear!
So then you’ll just keep ignoring his expressed wishes, click your heels and play the good man/fellow vet card as a totem to ward lightning.
That’s disgusting.
Sometimes it's harder to say how you really feel to your FRiends then to your enemies.
I don't think that's true. I have yet to vote for a candidate who I agreed with on everything. And I don't think any elected politician believes everyone who votes for him agrees with him on all issues. Particularly if the voters and other elected official strongly oppose him where they disagree.
I'm still in this fight for Newt. But in any case, I'm supporting tea party conservatives at all levels. The executive is one branch, powerful for sure, but we have other arrows in the quiver no matter who is president.
““It really is sad. Truth is, we’re all on the same team here, but this issue (which is a big one!) could fracture us badly.”
Anyone willing to vote for a lib/gay ‘rights’ abortion supporter isn’t on my team. And I play for the Conservatives. Do the math.”
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Artcore... You said “we’re all on the same team here” but unfortunately, Power-guy Norm says you can’t be on HIS team. I’m sure that breaks your heart. Hahaha! What a hoot!
It takes a lot of hope to maybe think Romney could do that. Maybe he will and maybe he won’t. At what point do we decide that “being realistic” and voting for a fake conservative is just another step down the path to serfdom?
When do we accept the truth and quit hoping? Will it be too late by then?
“It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it.” Patrick Henry
Well, I guess we're at a quandary here aren't we? Sorry, but I explained my position, and also used the same tactic you've used on others tonight.
You've labled those of us who've decided to vote for Romney (our current reality) as “Romneybots”, “RINOs”, “Dumb” etc. You've self-rightously said that we're giving up our conservative values because Romney is a RINO. I've clearly and concisely explained numerous times this evening that we're faced with a monumentally difficult decision here. For many of us, while he's not the ideal choice, Romney is a far better choice than the Marxist currently holding our nation hostage.
If you can so easily label those of us who will be voting for Romney with your pejoratives, we can do the same to you. Again, your decision to act like spoiled, selfish, crybaby and not vote on election night, will effectively aid the Marxist in winning a second term, and sure destruction of our nation. In my estimation, this most certainly shows that you, and others opting not to vote for Romney (our reality), have given up your conservative values and ideals. To knowingly hand a Marxist an election is unconscionable! So, how do you like having others assign motives to you that aren't necessarily true, and call into question your motives and values?
No one left to point out reality.
Well I haven't seen yet that you're based in reality to begin with so...no great loss.
I worked as Florida consultant with the Gingrich campaign. I’m going to vote for Romney assuming he’s the candidate and I’ll press people to support him instead of helping Obama get elected to a second term.
If I’m zotted for that, so be it. It would be a bigger loss to FR to not have my 21 years of PROFESSIONAL political insight than it would for me not to have a place where I’m afraid to post my point of view.
It’s true when you consider that the number of liberal positions MR has are numerous, yet the conservative positions are non existent. Also consider the types of his positions. Abortion, gay rights, gay/military, global warming...all of which are individually anathema to the conservative philosophy. And this isn’t a ‘one’ thing with him. It’s everything he stands for/supports. It’s who he is.
To vote MR, one ‘has’ to accept his positions. If you deny them, then you are casting a vote contrary to what you believe in.
Am I wrong? How so?
Well said! Reality sucks, but you ignore it at your peril.
I have yet to find a political candidate, let alone one other person, that I agree 100% on everything with. Most things, yes. Everything, no.
What’s that about cutting off your nose to spite your face?
Wow! You don’t pull any punches. Thanks for standing your ground.
Well, if this is an example of your professional experience, who needs it. FR is a conservative site not a RINO GOP-e site. You fail.
You guys never learn..."Argumentum ad populum" (appeal to majority)...again!
And there is not a dime's difference between the two and you can't show otherwise...which is what the rest of us know.
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. Samuel Adams
Santorum dropped out, and Newt seems to be indicating that he would support Romney. I was working under this assumption, but I would love to see Newt surge and surpass Mittens.
My voting for Romney is a worse case scenario.
Go Newt!
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