Skip to comments.Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain so for the duration
Posted on 04/11/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Notice: Free Republic has been in full rebellion mode since 2008 and will remain in full rebellion mode for the duration!
No more Doles!! No more McCains!! No more RINOS!!
Those who cannot stomach rebellion might as well start looking for a new home on the net!!
Those who have ignored my hundreds of posts on this crucial issue or who have doubted me these last three or four years might as well get used to it. FR will never support the abortionist, homosexualist, socialist, mandate loving, constitution trampling liar Mitt Romney.
In case you haven't noticed, a TEA Party rebellion is on and Free Republic signed on years ago. There is no turning back. No more crap from the GOP-e!! They've screwed us for the last time!! Karl Rove and Mitt Romney, et al, loathe conservatism and loathe the tea party and took it upon themselves to use their money and connections to destroy nearly every one of our conservative tea party candidates while pushing their big government RINOS. That makes them the enemy. I will not reward that betrayal by giving them my support or my vote.
FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-limited government conservative site!!
We are beholden to NO ONE!! We bow to no kings!! We bow to NO RINOS!!
I'd rather fight and die like a man than bend over and be screwed by a RINO!! I refuse to kiss Karl Rove or Mitt Romney's rings!! They can kiss my rosy red ass instead!!
Long live the rebellion!!
Hope my message is clear.
That is enough for me and frankly it does not seem like a difficult decision.
Pretty much the way I see it. Obama's court appointees WILL be bad. Romney's court appointees MIGHT be bad. Willard's history of court appointments is terrible, but he would be beholden to the national Republican party as President rather than the ultra-liberal Massachusetts GOP. As Levin says, I'd vote for an orange juice can over Obama.
Thank you for saying it. I think most of us here know it is better to keep up the fight than to surrender to the GOP-e. They need to learn that only a conservative candidate can win and maybe then they will stop forcing these “moderate” candidates on us.
I’ll be voting third party this november.
“You do realize that only 30% of the populace at the time of the Rebellion(1776) supported the war effort? “
You do realize that the conservatives of 1776 fought for the King and wanted to hang the Founding Fathers?
Jim, you are right again!!
I will write in Sarah Palin name.
She is the Babe Ruth of the conservative lineup!
With mittens the gop-e will pass the nominations through to the Supreme Court and America and our children lose. Should a Conservative not emerge and pick the nominees for the Supreme Court, the court is lost. With a rebellion there is a chance, though it may be slim to none to stop zer0 with a republican held Senate. Maybe / Maybe Not, but therein lays a chance. With mittens the Supreme Court will go the way zer0 would send it and the republicans will willing go hand in hand with the myth of mittens for mittens will be answering only to the gop-e (imho America is at a lose / lose moment without Americans stand up and say NO).
I agree wholeheartedly with your premise. WE have been screwed over long enough by the RINOs.
However, I find that I cannot not vote for president. It seems to me that the majority of the country simply has to be against Obama. I like the vote solid Republican down-ticket of your plan. I've always done that anyway.
It seems that it would send a message to both the RINOS and the enemies of America that if Obama does return to the White House, that at least he do it with a minority of the popular vote.
So I guess my question to you is what 3rd party or candidate would you recommend? I'm trying to make up my mind, and your opinion would be welcome.
I try to keep up but must confess that I have failed.
I see the term “gop-e” used abundantly in recent posts but somehow missed the introductory definition.
What is a gop-e?
The “E” stands for Establishment.......
elite, establishment. either or both.
You didn't even attempt to answer the question. Instead you impugn the question itself and assert that rebellion to the Ruling Class and their chosen standard bearer for us is a 'fantasy'.
So for you, bluntness - since Romney is as you said, 'even an enemy to Conservatism, some of us consider that no different than being a domestic enemy to the Constitution. The Left, including RINOs work to subvert the Constitution for their stake in power over us. They hate us as much as the Left does, and consider us some kind of extremist threat. Why should we get along with that? Why should we Conservatives support that? Why are we stupid enough to support those who clearly are disgusted and embarrassed by us? Out of fear those who hate us more openly will win again?
Let's recognize they (meaning Romney and his Ruling Class RINO ilk) are our enemies same as Obama's Marxofascists. They are allies in all practicality - why must we pretend otherwise when the fruits are self-evident?? They all need to be defied, and acted against as we would any enemy come against us. No support. No compliance. No submission.
Openly defying the document like Obama has done and subtly defying and circumventing it is no different, except in degrees. Romney's record is not only one of subversion to the Rights to Life, Liberty and Happiness, he will no doubt continue the assault on the Constitution, albeit with more subtlety than Obama's overtness.
I've struggled with this rationale, but I keep coming back to the 'fighter' part in her. If we were to believe that she was the 'fighter' that she portrayed to be, then why not try? After all, look at what happened to those who were polling even LESS than her at that point in time - how did they make out once the primaries started (Rick and Newt)?
This country is too big and important to rely on the hopes of just one single person or candidate to turn things around towards 'perfection'. The most important thing that I see right now is to put the brakes on the utter destruction that Obama and his administration is doing at lightning speed. I don't want to sacrifice another 4 years (to cement a total of 8 years of his destruction) on mine and my kid's future for the sake of pure 'ideology' of having the optimal choice. I believe that the majority of the country feels this way.
As Finny said to me earlier, "Do you know [any of] that for a fact? No. It's pure, blind fear talking."
AFAICT, the "warriors" in this "rebellion" have the most efficient plan. After the convention, either Gingrich or a dark horse pulls out a shock victory, or Romney will be so destroyed by Obama's team and the anti-GOP conservatives that, well, there's no reason to worry about a Romney Administration in any case.
Romney is a flawed candidate and you would have to go against the Word of God in I Timothy, Titus and Romans 13 to vote for him, the GOP (presidential level down to precinct) is corrupt beyond repair and must be destroyed immediately, but enabling or indirectly assisting the marxist pro-partial birth abortion baby-killer in chief, Holder, Geithner, Ayers, Malik Shabazz, Sebelius, Kagan, Sotamayor, Big Sis Napolitano, Hillary, Raspberry Beret Shinseki...all of these people in perpetual power are just the nasty medicine the country deserves.
The blood of volunbeer's children will be on the hands of Karl Rove (and those who actually voted for Romney in the primaries.)
So we will have a Gingrich Presidency or Obama Reelection and/or bust. And this situation will come about with or without campaign contributions, with or without participating in local elections and GOP precincts, volunteering at polling places, etc. Thus it is the must efficient. 100% correct either way with zero input necessary.
“Im in...headin for the Green Dragon Tavern now.”
And I’m headed for Tun Tavern...
(got to let the waist out on the utility trousers a bit...lol)
You must realize this, LibFree. Romney has a solid record of appointing liberal justices. He will appoint those with secretive backgrounds and claim they’re constitutionists, but time will prove otherwise.
Obama, on the other hand, will appoint radical liberals. THAT PROSPECT will keep our conservative justices Thomas, Scalio, Kennedy, Roberts, and Alito from even dreaming of retiring.
However, with a Romney on board — supposedly a “republican” — the older justices will be pressured and reassured about retiring by the GOP-e. The liberal republican wing will then get to tip the balance of the court back in the liberal direction.
That is a glaring reason why Romney is worse for the country than is Obama. And Romney showed in Massachusetts he could give a damn about being reelected.
I am not at all certain that this republic can withstand another four years of Barack Obama--especially since he will not be running for a third term in office, and will therefore be entirely uninhibited in his desire to move America considerably to the left.
In the end, therefore, I would much prefer to vote for the better of two imperfect candidates (and Barack Obama is so vastly imperfect as to be utterly objectionable, in my opinion), rather than to fly the flag of Philosophical Purity, while going down gloriously, in flames.
The so-called "Buckley Rule" (named after the late William F. Buckley Jr.) seems appropriate here: One would be well advised to vote for the rightmost candidate sho has a reasonable chance of winning...
Labeling Romney an “imperfect candidate” is generous in the extreme.
I truly find it alarming as well. This is bordering on a 'purist' mentality, that only the most pure way of thinking regarding the subject philosophy at-hand is what needs to be supported and tolerated. This is counter-productive and leads, not to growth of a movement, but to its eventual downfall from within, since it will ultimately self-marginalize itself outside the mainstream.
Even the Founding Fathers, while they were all solidly against defeating the British (who was the real enemy in trying to destroy their freedom), they also had divergent views on how to interpret the Constitution after it was signed (Federal vs States rights). Well, our most immediate and threatening enemy to our citizen's freedom and our Constitution (more than of any President in our history) is sitting right in the oval office right now.
Because I’m willing to go down in flames...........
This is the SAME reason so many conservatives gave for not voting for McCain in 2008. He would nominate liberals to the Supreme Court.
So, let’s take a look at McCain’s record on his votes ON the two liberal justices nominated by Obama, the man you and many others want to re-elect by following the lead of the mainstream media.
Kagan - No.
Sotamayor - No.
What I suspect now is to hear that IF McCain had been elected, he would have nominated justices who received his no votes
If the conservative temper tantum, helped by the mainstream media, had not happened in 2008, would we even HAVE Obamacare?
Let’s take a look at John McCain (the rino) and his vote on that, shall we?
Well, how about that. Another No.
Yes, he was the same as Obama. That’s why he could not be supported by conservatives in 2008, right? While the mainstream media encouraged you to stay home because that awful John McCain was just not conservative enough to earn your vote. It would have been horrible to have McCain (who DOES love his country) and Sarah Palin in the White House, preparing her for the 2016 nomination.
And again...........in 2012, good conservatives are willing to give the election to the mainstream media and Obama.
I don't know about those....
I have no problem not voting or doing a write-in and letting the GOP go down in flames with RINO Romney. But I am worried that that the race-baiting, social-justice-freebies Marxist will get to probably appoint two more Supreme Court Justices. Then we are all hosed forever... I’m still not sure what the hell to do. I want the GOP to burn to the ground due to their treatment of Sarah Palin. We need a game plan... we’re rudderless.
I have followed the “discussion” on this thread for the last two days. I have seen the vituperation thrown about freely and with abandon by many of your followers against those posters who have the temerity to voice a non- Politburo opinion about what to do in the next election. Yeah, I said Politburo. For a bunch of so-called Conservatives, you do Stalin proud. Conform or exile? Not much of a choice, but with this thread, you made it easy.
First , you, Mr. Robinson, issue a pronunciamento, early on that no one using your site [even if they pay for the privilege] could post any articles favorable to Romney. I thought that a bit odd, for a site where ideas are to be exchanged, but I filed it away, and went about my business.
Then you started calling your Jihad, and things became much clearer. I’ve seen at least one of your minions refer to people who have viewpoints differing from his [and I’m one] “cowards”. As a combat veteran of Viet Nam [and of a stretch on the DMZ in Korea] I resent that aspersion. I’ve seen a great deal of yelling, but not a lot of rationality. And if the price of trying to save the Republic requires me to abandon you and your acoloytes, so be it. If I wanted to a Lemming, I’d move to the sub-Artic.
So, please accept my resignation from Free Republic. I leave with mixed emotions. Joy and Ecstacy.
Damn right Jim.
You can expect the paid staffers and supporters of Romney now be coming on here and saying” I wasn’t really for him but obama is worse and we have to unite”
Must be so easy to pretend a guy is a republican let alone a conservative but then again it seems many from where he is from have a different view to what being a republican is all about.
For instance down here I’ve met many from the north east who will support Romney, have no problem with the homosexual / cross dressing agenda because in their ignorant words” they know some and they are nice”
Once they move down here those who had thought have themselves as a republican found out that they are looked as as Dems down here.
Just because they care about their own pockets does not make them a republican let alone a conservative.
Your a good man; thank you for your service. I wish more veterans had the smarts to do whatever it took to stop obama from running the military. At least you care, sir.
I voted for McCain in 2008, so you’ve got the wrong guy. He was pro-life, pro-defense, and he picked Palin.
Romney, on the other hand, has a grotesquely liberal record. I’m surprised you can’t see the difference, swpa_mom.
Don’t be upset with us. We want to try to change your mind. We want to vote CONSERVATIVES all up and down the line. I know you believe in that. What state are you in?
Green dragon tavern, you ever been to the one in Boston where they had meetings to rise up in the war?
As long as we have a viable conservative candidate left in the race — which now means Gingrich — we're on the same page. We may also be on the same page later, but in any case, it's your page and your rules.
I'm not a defeatist, especially when we haven't yet been defeated! God tells me that the gates of hell will not prevail against the cross of Christ. Guys, gates aren't offensive weapons; it's Satan, not us, who is supposed to be on the defensive. We're supposed to be on the attack.
Let's get back to work.
To CharlesWayneCT, Xzins, publius321, and Engraved-on-His-hands — let's try to work as hard as we can to make sure we have a Republican nominee who we can support in the general election. You may want to take a look at my argument at these two links making an evangelical Christian case for voting for Newt Gingrich and why Romney is biblically disqualified under Romans 13, since he is not upholding justice and the only terror he inspires in evildoers is that he might have more flip-flops:
If Romney wins the Republican primary, I'll figure out what to do then. For now, I'm saying lets cross that bridge when we come to it, and do everything we can to prevent that day from happening.
And by the way, I have zero problem with having Jim Robinson say what he's saying loud and clear. Experience in church politics teaches me that many of the pastors of powerful and prominent conservative churches who are willing to walk out of a denomination don't walk out until a group of more radical conservatives not only take a public stand but actually act on their claimed convictions. The Presbyterian Church in America would not have been formed without a small group of rather radical small-church pastors taking a stand at virtually the same time that a meeting of “big steeple” conservatives decided to give up the fight — and then called to apologize and say, “We were wrong” when they learned of the actions of their more militant brothers. Similar things can be said about the split in the Christian Reformed Church, and the successful takeovers of the Southern Baptist Convention and Missouri Synod Lutherans by conservatives.
I think that's Jim Robinson's role today — saying things that will cause other people to quietly clap on the sidelines, knowing they may have to follow later.
No matter what happens in the next few months, Free Republic's stand makes very clear to the Republican Party's leadership that despite what happened with Dole in 1996 and McCain in 2008, they can't take conservatives for granted.
The good thing here is that unlike what I'm used to seeing in church politics where conservatives tend to be in small churches, Jim Robinson and Free Republic are **NOT** little dogs. This site is a big dog, and it's got a very big bite.
Those in Republican leadership who doubt the power of Free Republic need to spend some time remembering Dan Rather and also reviewing the role of Perot, Buchanan and Nader. Third parties don't win in American politics, but they do punish political parties when they lose their roots. One thing we can give Obama credit for doing is campaigning and governing as a consistent leftist — and Republicans ought to be looking to Obama’s example to see what happens when sound a consistent note with their trumpet.
The best way to keep a Free Republic/Tea Party rejection of Romney from throwing the 2012 election to Barack Obama is to reject Romney now. Let's get back to trying to make that happen.
(imho) mccain lost when he joined hands with zer0 and voted for the bailout. He (mccain) also was pushing for health-care. There were some differences between the two, but mccain lost sight of where Americans stood, enter the TEA Party. A chance, after mccain lost was a realization (perhaps) he (mccain) had erred. Therefore the votes your post notes. With mittens one can kiss the Supreme Court and our Constitution good-bye. With zer0 the same can be said, yet therein lays a chance. To save the Republic and the Constitution is the plan. As Ben Franklin said, We have a Republic, if you can keep it. I’ll vote to keep the Republic and the Constitution. This is simply me. The divergence of opinion is why our Republic stands to this day (imho). With mittens (imho) one is electing a zer0, for will probably be the same result as a zer0. Good cover for the gop-e to advance and destroy the TEA Party with a mittens.
I don’t know how much plainer you can be. Thank you.
Excuse you, but most Conservatives held their noses and DID vote for McCain in ‘08 - myself included. Most of them because of his choice of Palin for Veep.
And he got trounced.
Same as now, Obama WANTED to run against McCain - you can see that by the way the media feigned ‘worry’ if McCain was the GOP nominee against Obama. Same as it has done now in 2012.
I will say this again, when two Socialists are running for high office, the greater Socialist is going to win by the support of those whose religion is the Left.
There is less of a chance for Romney to beat Obama than there was for McCain in ‘08. Palin generated a lot of hope and excitement of Conservatives to vote FOR the ticket in 08, for Palin alone.
Romney generates NO enthusiasm among Conservatives to go out and vote FOR him. Voting for a candidate just to stop an opponent is a losing proposition.
Besides, as has been pointed out - our national woes are from the bottom up, not the top on down. Electing someone to the top spot is NOT going to stop our collapse into ruin, already-in-progress.
And many of us Conservatives have decided that we are finished being battered by an adulterous party that despises us and only uses us for one thing, only to betray and discard us while they fool around with the enemy to get a piece of the action.
Noun: eunuch (eunuchs)
1. A man who has been castrated and is incapable of reproduction
It's really amazing. Jim is clear as a bell, and seconds later people are STILL posting like this.
How is Romney far superior? Take a look at the threads which contain pictures of aborted babies. Women in MA are still having that done to their infants for fifty bucks, thanks to Romney. Are you comfortable aligning yourself with that?
When in the Course of human events...
“You do realize that the conservatives of 1776 fought for the King and wanted to hang the Founding Fathers?”
If you believe that then you don’t know the meaning of ‘conservative’.
We are one supreme court justice away from losing the second amendment and people around these parts are talking about write in votes. Silliness. The establishment beat us, because they mustered more votes than us, period. The response is to become more determined and engaged in the process, it’s not to take our ball and go home. 5 years and 3-4 more Obama supreme court appointments from now, I wonder how many rebel alliance types will still be convinced that Romney is worse than Obama.
$6 trillion more in debt and a liberal supreme court. That’s four more years of Obama in a nutshell. That’s not scare tactics, that’s the one of the more conservative projections of our debt in 2016 combined with the likelihood of Kennedy and/or Scalia dying or retiring in the next five years.
$6 trillion more in debt and a marxist court. An acceptable sacrifice in the name of Puritanism. And like the Puritans we may need to start looking for another place to live.
You write like a narcissistic idiot. Good riddance.
My state of Pennsylvania sadly went for Obama in 2008 because so many conservatives stayed home, just like the media told them to do.
Now, so many here went against their conscience and really did vote for McCain in 2008? Really? So, I guess you’ll do the same this year, after stomping your feet for the next 6 months, convincing other conservatives that they can’t possibly vote for the rino while you will? How is THAT changing minds? If you’re going to end up voting for Romney anyhow, why the complaints now? Just vote and stop trying to convince others to NOT vote for him.
Rick Santorum is constantly trashed for endorsing Arlen over Pat Toomey. So, now we do have Senator Toomey and guess what? Conservatives are claiming that he’s just not conservative enough for them.
There’s a total circular firing squad here. So, who’s THE best conservative candidate? You’ll get a dozen or more answers. And why didn’t you support that candidate with money, time and words?
“We are one supreme court justice away from losing the second amendment and people around these parts are talking about write in votes. Silliness. “
Romney nominated the most extreme left-wing of judges as Governor. Don’t be fooled into thinking just because he ran on a Republican ticket to be President that somehow he will change to nominating conservative judges.
Insulting each other isn’t helpful.
“our national woes are from the bottom up, not the top on down. Electing someone to the top spot is NOT going to stop our collapse into ruin, already-in-progress.
And many of us Conservatives have decided that we are finished being battered by an adulterous party that despises us and only uses us for one thing, only to betray and discard us while they fool around with the enemy to get a piece of the action.”
This has now reached “Lynch Mob” proportions. There is no longer any honor in supporting it. I refuse to participate.
The only way to win 'their game', is not to play their game. Especially not by their rules. There is one left in the race that we can support and work hard to try and make the nominee. Failing that - we have to come to the exact place our Founders did and recognize we can no longer work peaceably within the system the Ruling Class has co-opted, corrupted and set up to force feed us their agenda and candidates.
First, our 'rudder' has to be God, first and foremost. The reason it seems we have no direction or wisdom left in this nation is that our wisdom comes from God. This people are choosing to make government their god. The churches have to get the people to do 2 Chronicles 7:14, and rekindle the idea of repentance among God's people to re-influence our culture. Barring that - there is no workable game plan. Our Founders were humble and wise enough to recognize that.
We were a nation forged from the bottom on up, not the top on down. Getting someone elected to the top spot will not cure our ills, nor even slow down what is now a free fall into ruin. DeToqueville wrote about what made America great, it's secret. Without recapturing that - we're looking for a solution without addressing the root cause of how we got here in the first place and our fate will still be where we see it going now.
Then, we already have a model of rebellion to follow that works with God's blessing; disobedience to tyrants; make our own rules that correspond to what is right and discard those foisted on us by those who empower government to be our master. Submission to tyranny in the eyes of our forebears was the equivalent of breaking the First Commandment.
That would be my suggestion of how to get a game plan started.
Says you. When someone comes across as insulting they get it returned to them. I am sick an tired of being insulted and then being told to shut up and put some ice on it. This is exactly why the RNC rolls over conservatives: They have no spine to return fire. Conservatives want to be thought of as playing nice because that think that is the “high road” and more civilized, sophisticated and intellectual. Not any more. I am tired of playing nice and not getting what I need.
“There is no longer any honor in supporting it. “
Where is the “honor” in voting for an extreme left-wing liberal like Romney? Just because he runs as a Republican??
Yep. My family and friends decided this time if Romney is forced on us by the PTB - we're out. We're hunkering down for the crash. Let the RINOs and democrat scrounges reap what they've sown. It's time for a great cleansing.