Skip to comments.Mitt Romney 2012 = John Kerry 2004?
Posted on 04/12/2012 1:47:28 AM PDT by tsowellfan
Political reporters all of whom are history nerds at heart spend countless hours trying to figure out which past election the current elections most reminds them of.
Its part parlor game you usually win when you compare the current election to the most obscure election of the past possible (this reminds me of the 1876 election between Samuel Tilden and Rutherford B. Hayes) and part useful political analysis. While no two elections are ever exactly the same, there are elections whose dynamics clearly resemble one another and where studying what happened can help you understand what will happen...
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I don’t remember Romney saying our troops were killing woman and children in a manner reminiscent of Ghengis Kahn. Or as Kerry said it, Jen-gis Khan.
Mitt Romney 2012 = John MCain / Sarah Plain 2008.
Mitt Romney 2012 = John MCain / Sarah Palin 2008.
Nor do I remember Bush saying that "Jesus was a son of God".
Does not mean Romney is not a flip flopper though.
Romney is a flip-flopping compulsive liar and blowhard just like Kerry. will say anything to get elected. Doesn’t seem to mind when caught in a lie, he simply tells more lies to cover up. Has no core values whatsoever. His blows with the wind. Sucks, actually. At least Kerry didn’t dodge the draft. Lied about his service though.
Clearly a huge difference is that Bush while not a great President was not a total failure like Obama is, the better comparison is to 1980 and the Carter reelection, while Romney is no Reagan, ultimatly re election campaigns are about the incumbent and that is the underlying fear of the lefties this year. It is also why Obama is trying to run as an outsider with the class warfare fear based campaign.
John McCain is pro-life (so is Sarah Palin for that matter)
As much as I dislike the man, John McCain is more conservative than Mitt Romney.
Might as well have Mayor Bloomberg in the WH
And that's the part that will lose him the independents. A strict conservative would win over more independents and Reagan democrats than Romney will. Some would prefer a disaster in the White House they already know over a flip-flopping fake who lies to your face with clear evidence out there proving that he's lying to your face. People don't like to be insulted right to their face. That's Romney.
I'm still hoping and praying for Newt.
Romney is a flip flopping fraud who has no core principles. He is a Blue Blood pandering liberal who was against most Conservative Principles before he was for them. Whenever Romney tries to “act” like one of the “regular folks” he comes off as a dork. I think this is the perfect comparison.
Basically a Mayor Bloomberg in the White House.
You got that right. And he's proud of it too. THAT is on video.
Carter is no Obama neither. Obama is one slippery dude.
Mitt Romney is our version of John Kerry
I wouldn`t agree there`s a comparison between the two candidacies. Kerry`s `04 run almost produced a victory vs. Bush, while Romney won`t even be in the same ballpark. Obama will slice through him like a hot knife through warm butter on a summer day.
Romney generates no excitement and has no base of support. Bob Dole in `96 at least had veterans backing him. Who really gets revved up about Mittens? November`s result is going to resemble more like the LBJ-Goldwater blowout — with Mittens on the short end — than any of the recent close elections.
It`s Virgil Goode and the Constitution Party for this voter!
Kerry was a traitor during Vietnam days.. he is merely a gigolo now.. and a seditious malefactor..
Romney is merely a liberal drooler from Massachusetts...
Good friends with Barney the “Woodchuck”.. who likes wood whether its stiff or flaccid..
Not even the Ann Coulters when you look deeply into it. All of those publically endorsing him do it for the same reason. Mitt Romney is the best chance at beating Obama. That statement alone pretty much says they are voting against Obama and not for any particular idea Mittens ever came out with.
Not defending 0bambi by any stretch of the imagination; but what would a Romney presidency be like? Any better or worse than we have now? Romney will populate his cabinet with people who are like-minded. His policies will be determined by the loudest voice. Another four years of no budgets, no energy policy, no reduction in debt or deficits, etc.
So what to do? A huge dilemma, to be sure. Over the cliff at 75 MPH (Romney) or over the cliff at 100 MPH (0bambi)?
I really don’t care; I’m writing in Sarah Palin and hope that we control BOTH Houses of Congress.
His policies will be determined by the loudest voice.
Amen to that!
The man has said little about any plans he may have on gasoline and energy in general.
His whole campaign has been "I'm a conservative. No really, I am".
1) Romney made his own money while the pussy Kerry married it.
2) Kerry is a traitor. Romney is not.
3) Kerry is dumb as a rock. Romney aint dumb.
In case Freepers have forgotten, Kerry went to Paris to negotiate with the Vietnamese.
I don’t remember Romney lying about being at the Redsox most infamous game?
I don’t remember Romney lying about running the Boston Marathon?
add in allllll the War stuff... Kerry was, and IS a serial liar.
In terms of electability and platforms, it isn't necessary to include 2012 or 2004.
Romney = Kerry, period. To the detriment of the republic.
Well, they certainly are both notorious flip floppers. I still can’t believe we’re stuck with Romney. Here’s a sample of what we’ll see. The DNC already has a Mitt vs. Mitt video out:
and Romney didn’t demean the military and throw his medals away, or hang out with Hanoi Jane. A far left Marxist pair of un flippable flops Obama has. ( Hey that sounded like Yoda!)
Neither did Carter but it does not mean he was a good President.
Re: Vietnam War...
* A 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favor of the Vietnam War draft.
* But his status as ‘Mormon missionary’ exempted him from the draft.
But we weren’t comparing Carter to Kerry, so I wouldn’t be addressing Carter, would I? Carter was his own unique mess.
It’s a great analogy.
Bush was easy to beat in 2004, but Kerry was the perfect foil.
Obama is easy to beat in 2012, but Romney is his designer dream opponent.
Wasn’t he on his mission for 1 or 2 years and it had always been a Mormon rite of passage, not just a made up draft dodging ploy? (No I’m not defending Mormonism). Cheney had deferments, I see no problem with legitimate ones.
I think Kerry went to Vietnam purposely to make himself into some kind of war hero for a future run for office. He had already spoke about running. When he couldn’t handle it he got out ASAP and latched on to an antiwar, lying group he led into congressional hearings.
Nor was the article comparing Kerry and Romney in Vietnam. The issue is the flip-flopping 2004 vs 2012. Nothing about Vietnam.
RomneyCare is another unique mess because it makes him uniquely unqualified to be able to successfully run against Obama and his government take-overs.
Along with Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy, both courtesy of the Massachusetts electorate. Should tell you something right there.
It wasn't Mormonism I thought you were defending.
> Mitt Romney 2012 = John Kerry 2004?
No way. Although I will never vote for RINO ROMNEY, he is not in the same class as a full blown traitor like Kerry.
The results will likely be the same. He will lose.
If Romney does win we will have the likes of a Mayor Bloomberg in the WH. A lose lose situation.
I’m still waiting for someone to show me one single solitary conservative ideal I won’t have betray in order to support Romney.
All the candidates had their flaws but Mitt rolls them all up in one neat stinking package.
NTHockey: “A huge dilemma, to be sure.”
Which is why I hope conservatives on both sides of the “Vote Romney” or “Do not vote Romney” dilemma at least respect that. I don’t know of any conservative who is planning to vote for Romney based on his “severely conservative” record. It’s clear that most of us are severely agonized by this dilemma.
tsowellfan: “He (Mitt Romney) will lose.”
We really don’t know that, although that appears to be a popular point of view here. Mitt Romney, in the unfortunate event he’s the nominee, will face literally the worst president in my lifetime. It’s quite clear that President Obama and his fellow travelers are doing everything they can to remake the country to match their fantasy (it didn’t work for the USSR, it won’t work here). The odds against a Romney presidency would be much, much worse with anyone other than a President Obama in office. As it stands, people are literally weighing outright destruction of America versus maybe holding it together for a few more years with Romney. What a crappy decision to make, but it is what it is.
Exactly. When this election is over, I think that Republicans are going to view 2012 the same way that Democrats view 2004 - a big missed opportunity.
You have to go outside the country for this one, to our neighbors in the Dominion of Celine Dion and Maple Syrup. This is John Tory vs. Dalton Mcguinty in the 2007 Ontario election. The only difference, other than citizenship, is that John Tory was not Mormon.
Dalton McGuinty = As Liberal Party leader and premier (equivalent of governor) of Ontario, he was to left of Obama, and less charismatic. He was running against Tory for a second term, and was a shoe-in to lose to Tory given how far left McGuinty had moved the province, destroyed the economy, pushed an abortion and gay agenda in schools (despite claiming to be a Christian), and presided over the legalization of same-sex marriage not only in the province, but in the country. With apologies to conservatives everywhere, Dalton made Obama look like Reagan.
John Tory, leader of the Ontario “conservative” party was a wealthy corporate executive and establishment CINO from the most liberal city in the province. He had beaten out his less wealthy conservative opponents. He had two predecessors, Mike Harris, who had been elected premier on a hard conservative mandate, was great for his first term, but went soft during his second term and became very unpopular (spent first term as Reagan, his second term was similar to Bush’s). Between Harris and Tory, the party had been led by Ernie Eves, a long-time party establishment squish a la McCain. Eves would then lose to Liberal Dalton McGuinty. Tory promised to chart a moderate course, and won the establishment and media support because he was the most “electable”.
As party leader, John Tory attacked pro-lifers, rural conservatives and gun activists. He blamed a lack of gun control (and his predecessor Mike Harris) for gun crime in Ontario’s big cities. He openly mocked social conservatives and Christians, while marching in the Toronto Gay Pride Parade - the largest in the world.
His platform was for the most part indistinguishable from McGuinty’s. He even instructed his candidates to downplay the name of the party, which contained the word “Conservative”, having them run as “John Tory candidates” on signs, campaign literature and when giving press interviews.
Tory basically promised to implement the same leftist policies as Dalton, but said he could do a better job implementing them because he had corporate experience whereas his opponent was a life-long politician and political activist. His only other policy difference (intended, believe it or not, to appease social conservatives threatening to stay home because of Tory’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gay agenda policies) was a promised to provide public funding to religious private schools (excluding Catholic, which are already publicly funded), which in Ontario are predominately Muslim, but only if they would agree to opt-in the pro-abortion and pro-gay public school curriculum.
This would become the dominant theme of the campaign as there was little else to distinguish John Tory from Dalton. Needless to say, John Tory got hammered from all sides. The left accused him of undermining public education in promising funding for religious schools. The secular right accused him of promoting religious extremism since the religious schools in question were predominately Christian or Muslim. Christians and Muslims accused him of being a Trojan Horse for cultural Marxism in tying the funding to a public school curriculum that promotes abortion and the gay agenda.
Despite very low approval rating, Dalton not only won a second term, he increased his seat majority.
I like you do not like Romney BUT to compare him to Kerry is insane.
Romney is a self made millionaire. Kerry is a traitorous moocher.
Hmmm, I think we have to look at this conundrum from a different angle. (If you look at my previous anti-Romney posts you will see I agree with you.)
1. Romney is a self-made millionaire.
2. Romney is an excellent family man (large family, stuck by his wife through good and bad unlike Edwards and Newt).
3. Understands the free market (although he cannot explain it adequately which ticks me off)
4. Having Romney as POTUS is not nearly AS scary as having President DumbA$$ (aka America's President Mugabe) at the helm for the next 4 years thereby growing the deficit by another $5 Trillion.
I think both our JRTs would make better POTUS but they are not running.
What's going to decide this election (If Romney is 'our' guy) is self-respect. I cannot vote for a man who tells me he was ALWAYS a Reagan conservative and a pro-lifer and everything else he claims when it's well known that he's taken every side of every issue based only on winning an election (A LA John Kerry).
I cannot vote for a man who lies to me for my vote.
Good for you, your self-respect and good for Obama. He will love your non-vote.
I hope you don’t take my reply as nasty.
But it is something we conservatives have to at least consider carefully.