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Mitt Romney 2012 = John Kerry 2004?
Washington Post ^

Posted on 04/12/2012 1:47:28 AM PDT by tsowellfan

Political reporters — all of whom are history nerds at heart — spend countless hours trying to figure out which past election the current elections most reminds them of.

It’s part parlor game — you usually win when you compare the current election to the most obscure election of the past possible (this reminds me of the 1876 election between Samuel Tilden and Rutherford B. Hayes) — and part useful political analysis. While no two elections are ever exactly the same, there are elections whose dynamics clearly resemble one another and where studying what happened can help you understand what will happen...

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; mccain; obama; romney

1 posted on 04/12/2012 1:47:32 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

I don’t remember Romney saying our troops were killing woman and children in a manner reminiscent of Ghengis Kahn. Or as Kerry said it, Jen-gis Khan.


2 posted on 04/12/2012 1:53:17 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: tsowellfan

Mitt Romney 2012 = John MCain / Sarah Plain 2008.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 1:55:39 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me. Thank God McCain/Palin lost! - Right?)
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To: tsowellfan

Mitt Romney 2012 = John MCain / Sarah Palin 2008.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 1:56:12 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me. Thank God McCain/Palin lost! - Right?)
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To: MacMattico
I don’t remember Romney saying our troops were killing woman and children in a manner reminiscent of Ghengis Kahn. Or as Kerry said it, Jen-gis Khan.

Nor do I remember Bush saying that "Jesus was a son of God".

Does not mean Romney is not a flip flopper though.

5 posted on 04/12/2012 1:57:09 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: MacMattico

Romney is a flip-flopping compulsive liar and blowhard just like Kerry. will say anything to get elected. Doesn’t seem to mind when caught in a lie, he simply tells more lies to cover up. Has no core values whatsoever. His blows with the wind. Sucks, actually. At least Kerry didn’t dodge the draft. Lied about his service though.


6 posted on 04/12/2012 1:58:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: tsowellfan

Clearly a huge difference is that Bush while not a great President was not a total failure like Obama is, the better comparison is to 1980 and the Carter reelection, while Romney is no Reagan, ultimatly re election campaigns are about the incumbent and that is the underlying fear of the lefties this year. It is also why Obama is trying to run as an outsider with the class warfare fear based campaign.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 2:00:02 AM PDT by Leto (Damn shame Sarah didn't run the Presidency was there for the taking)
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To: NoLibZone
Mitt Romney 2012 = John MCain / Sarah Palin 2008

John McCain is pro-life (so is Sarah Palin for that matter)

As much as I dislike the man, John McCain is more conservative than Mitt Romney.

Might as well have Mayor Bloomberg in the WH

8 posted on 04/12/2012 2:00:12 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Jim Robinson
Doesn’t seem to mind when caught in a lie, he simply tells more lies to cover up.

And that's the part that will lose him the independents. A strict conservative would win over more independents and Reagan democrats than Romney will. Some would prefer a disaster in the White House they already know over a flip-flopping fake who lies to your face with clear evidence out there proving that he's lying to your face. People don't like to be insulted right to their face. That's Romney.

I'm still hoping and praying for Newt.

9 posted on 04/12/2012 2:12:07 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: MacMattico

Romney is a flip flopping fraud who has no core principles. He is a Blue Blood pandering liberal who was against most Conservative Principles before he was for them. Whenever Romney tries to “act” like one of the “regular folks” he comes off as a dork. I think this is the perfect comparison.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 2:12:12 AM PDT by EagleInGA
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To: EagleInGA
He is a Blue Blood pandering liberal

Basically a Mayor Bloomberg in the White House.

11 posted on 04/12/2012 2:14:06 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Leto
Romney is no Reagan

You got that right. And he's proud of it too. THAT is on video.

Carter is no Obama neither. Obama is one slippery dude.

Mitt Romney is our version of John Kerry

12 posted on 04/12/2012 2:18:07 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

I wouldn`t agree there`s a comparison between the two candidacies. Kerry`s `04 run almost produced a victory vs. Bush, while Romney won`t even be in the same ballpark. Obama will slice through him like a hot knife through warm butter on a summer day.

Romney generates no excitement and has no base of support. Bob Dole in `96 at least had veterans backing him. Who really gets revved up about Mittens? November`s result is going to resemble more like the LBJ-Goldwater blowout — with Mittens on the short end — than any of the recent close elections.

It`s Virgil Goode and the Constitution Party for this voter!


13 posted on 04/12/2012 2:19:53 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: tsowellfan

Kerry was a traitor during Vietnam days.. he is merely a gigolo now.. and a seditious malefactor..

Romney is merely a liberal drooler from Massachusetts...
Good friends with Barney the “Woodchuck”.. who likes wood whether its stiff or flaccid..


14 posted on 04/12/2012 2:22:51 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: ScottinVA
Who really gets revved up about Mittens?

Not even the Ann Coulters when you look deeply into it. All of those publically endorsing him do it for the same reason. Mitt Romney is the best chance at beating Obama. That statement alone pretty much says they are voting against Obama and not for any particular idea Mittens ever came out with.

15 posted on 04/12/2012 2:24:06 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

Not defending 0bambi by any stretch of the imagination; but what would a Romney presidency be like? Any better or worse than we have now? Romney will populate his cabinet with people who are like-minded. His policies will be determined by the loudest voice. Another four years of no budgets, no energy policy, no reduction in debt or deficits, etc.

So what to do? A huge dilemma, to be sure. Over the cliff at 75 MPH (Romney) or over the cliff at 100 MPH (0bambi)?
I really don’t care; I’m writing in Sarah Palin and hope that we control BOTH Houses of Congress.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 2:38:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey
You've pretty much stated my feelings.

His policies will be determined by the loudest voice.

Amen to that!

The man has said little about any plans he may have on gasoline and energy in general.

His whole campaign has been "I'm a conservative. No really, I am".

17 posted on 04/12/2012 2:42:48 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

They wish!

1) Romney made his own money while the pussy Kerry married it.
2) Kerry is a traitor. Romney is not.
3) Kerry is dumb as a rock. Romney aint dumb.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 2:47:25 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Chgogal

In case Freepers have forgotten, Kerry went to Paris to negotiate with the Vietnamese.


19 posted on 04/12/2012 2:53:27 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: MacMattico

I don’t remember Romney lying about being at the Redsox most infamous game?

I don’t remember Romney lying about running the Boston Marathon?

add in allllll the War stuff... Kerry was, and IS a serial liar.


20 posted on 04/12/2012 2:53:37 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: tsowellfan
Mitt Romney 2012 = John Kerry 2004?

In terms of electability and platforms, it isn't necessary to include 2012 or 2004.

Romney = Kerry, period. To the detriment of the republic.

21 posted on 04/12/2012 3:03:54 AM PDT by RDAardvark (Defcon: 2012. Sound the alarms and seek shelter.)
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To: tsowellfan

Well, they certainly are both notorious flip floppers. I still can’t believe we’re stuck with Romney. Here’s a sample of what we’ll see. The DNC already has a Mitt vs. Mitt video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9njHHyRI7g


22 posted on 04/12/2012 3:05:48 AM PDT by Pinkbell (Rick Santorum For President (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N89LGhm-Ztc))
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To: tsowellfan
I am so Pissed at the GOP for allowing this sham to go on as long as it did.
First McCain, then this clown. How much more can the country take of this foolishness?
The GOP is nothing more than a country club with so called “conservatives” only dabbling in politics so they can line their pockets and split.
The two party system? Dont make me laugh. The only thing that sets them apart is the names.
23 posted on 04/12/2012 3:16:02 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Jim Robinson

and Romney didn’t demean the military and throw his medals away, or hang out with Hanoi Jane. A far left Marxist pair of un flippable flops Obama has. ( Hey that sounded like Yoda!)


24 posted on 04/12/2012 3:47:15 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
and Romney didn’t demean the military and throw his medals away, or hang out with Hanoi Jane

Neither did Carter but it does not mean he was a good President.

25 posted on 04/12/2012 3:49:30 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: MacMattico; Chgogal

Re: Vietnam War...

* A 19-year-old Mitt Romney demonstrated in favor of the Vietnam War draft.

* But his status as ‘Mormon missionary’ exempted him from the draft.


26 posted on 04/12/2012 3:53:45 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

But we weren’t comparing Carter to Kerry, so I wouldn’t be addressing Carter, would I? Carter was his own unique mess.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 3:55:50 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: tsowellfan

It’s a great analogy.

Bush was easy to beat in 2004, but Kerry was the perfect foil.

Obama is easy to beat in 2012, but Romney is his designer dream opponent.


28 posted on 04/12/2012 4:02:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: tsowellfan

Wasn’t he on his mission for 1 or 2 years and it had always been a Mormon rite of passage, not just a made up draft dodging ploy? (No I’m not defending Mormonism). Cheney had deferments, I see no problem with legitimate ones.

I think Kerry went to Vietnam purposely to make himself into some kind of war hero for a future run for office. He had already spoke about running. When he couldn’t handle it he got out ASAP and latched on to an antiwar, lying group he led into congressional hearings.


29 posted on 04/12/2012 4:04:38 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
But we weren’t comparing Carter to Kerry, so I wouldn’t be addressing Carter, would I? Carter was his own unique mess.

Nor was the article comparing Kerry and Romney in Vietnam. The issue is the flip-flopping 2004 vs 2012. Nothing about Vietnam.

RomneyCare is another unique mess because it makes him uniquely unqualified to be able to successfully run against Obama and his government take-overs.

30 posted on 04/12/2012 4:12:45 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

Along with Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy, both courtesy of the Massachusetts electorate. Should tell you something right there.


31 posted on 04/12/2012 4:16:32 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: tsowellfan

Totally agree.


32 posted on 04/12/2012 4:17:23 AM PDT by techno
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To: MacMattico
(No I’m not defending Mormonism)

It wasn't Mormonism I thought you were defending.

33 posted on 04/12/2012 4:18:24 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

> Mitt Romney 2012 = John Kerry 2004?
No way. Although I will never vote for RINO ROMNEY, he is not in the same class as a full blown traitor like Kerry.


34 posted on 04/12/2012 4:27:42 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: BuffaloJack
Mitt Romney is the John Kerry of 2012

The results will likely be the same. He will lose.

If Romney does win we will have the likes of a Mayor Bloomberg in the WH. A lose lose situation.

35 posted on 04/12/2012 4:36:55 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m still waiting for someone to show me one single solitary conservative ideal I won’t have betray in order to support Romney.

All the candidates had their flaws but Mitt rolls them all up in one neat stinking package.


36 posted on 04/12/2012 4:40:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: NTHockey

NTHockey: “A huge dilemma, to be sure.”

Which is why I hope conservatives on both sides of the “Vote Romney” or “Do not vote Romney” dilemma at least respect that. I don’t know of any conservative who is planning to vote for Romney based on his “severely conservative” record. It’s clear that most of us are severely agonized by this dilemma.


37 posted on 04/12/2012 4:41:06 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: tsowellfan

tsowellfan: “He (Mitt Romney) will lose.”

We really don’t know that, although that appears to be a popular point of view here. Mitt Romney, in the unfortunate event he’s the nominee, will face literally the worst president in my lifetime. It’s quite clear that President Obama and his fellow travelers are doing everything they can to remake the country to match their fantasy (it didn’t work for the USSR, it won’t work here). The odds against a Romney presidency would be much, much worse with anyone other than a President Obama in office. As it stands, people are literally weighing outright destruction of America versus maybe holding it together for a few more years with Romney. What a crappy decision to make, but it is what it is.


38 posted on 04/12/2012 4:50:12 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Jim Noble
Bush was easy to beat in 2004, but Kerry was the perfect foil. Obama is easy to beat in 2012, but Romney is his designer dream opponent.

Exactly. When this election is over, I think that Republicans are going to view 2012 the same way that Democrats view 2004 - a big missed opportunity.

39 posted on 04/12/2012 7:32:06 AM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: tsowellfan

You have to go outside the country for this one, to our neighbors in the Dominion of Celine Dion and Maple Syrup. This is John Tory vs. Dalton Mcguinty in the 2007 Ontario election. The only difference, other than citizenship, is that John Tory was not Mormon.

Dalton McGuinty = As Liberal Party leader and premier (equivalent of governor) of Ontario, he was to left of Obama, and less charismatic. He was running against Tory for a second term, and was a shoe-in to lose to Tory given how far left McGuinty had moved the province, destroyed the economy, pushed an abortion and gay agenda in schools (despite claiming to be a Christian), and presided over the legalization of same-sex marriage not only in the province, but in the country. With apologies to conservatives everywhere, Dalton made Obama look like Reagan.

John Tory, leader of the Ontario “conservative” party was a wealthy corporate executive and establishment CINO from the most liberal city in the province. He had beaten out his less wealthy conservative opponents. He had two predecessors, Mike Harris, who had been elected premier on a hard conservative mandate, was great for his first term, but went soft during his second term and became very unpopular (spent first term as Reagan, his second term was similar to Bush’s). Between Harris and Tory, the party had been led by Ernie Eves, a long-time party establishment squish a la McCain. Eves would then lose to Liberal Dalton McGuinty. Tory promised to chart a moderate course, and won the establishment and media support because he was the most “electable”.

As party leader, John Tory attacked pro-lifers, rural conservatives and gun activists. He blamed a lack of gun control (and his predecessor Mike Harris) for gun crime in Ontario’s big cities. He openly mocked social conservatives and Christians, while marching in the Toronto Gay Pride Parade - the largest in the world.

His platform was for the most part indistinguishable from McGuinty’s. He even instructed his candidates to downplay the name of the party, which contained the word “Conservative”, having them run as “John Tory candidates” on signs, campaign literature and when giving press interviews.

Tory basically promised to implement the same leftist policies as Dalton, but said he could do a better job implementing them because he had corporate experience whereas his opponent was a life-long politician and political activist. His only other policy difference (intended, believe it or not, to appease social conservatives threatening to stay home because of Tory’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gay agenda policies) was a promised to provide public funding to religious private schools (excluding Catholic, which are already publicly funded), which in Ontario are predominately Muslim, but only if they would agree to opt-in the pro-abortion and pro-gay public school curriculum.

This would become the dominant theme of the campaign as there was little else to distinguish John Tory from Dalton. Needless to say, John Tory got hammered from all sides. The left accused him of undermining public education in promising funding for religious schools. The secular right accused him of promoting religious extremism since the religious schools in question were predominately Christian or Muslim. Christians and Muslims accused him of being a Trojan Horse for cultural Marxism in tying the funding to a public school curriculum that promotes abortion and the gay agenda.

Despite very low approval rating, Dalton not only won a second term, he increased his seat majority.


40 posted on 04/12/2012 8:38:01 AM PDT by NorthernCrunchyCon (Christ is risen!)
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To: tsowellfan
I repeat, Romney did not go to Paris like Kerry did and negotiate AGAINST his country.

I like you do not like Romney BUT to compare him to Kerry is insane.

Romney is a self made millionaire. Kerry is a traitorous moocher.

41 posted on 04/12/2012 9:35:14 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: cripplecreek
“I’m still waiting for someone to show me one single solitary conservative ideal I won’t have betray in order to support Romney.”

Hmmm, I think we have to look at this conundrum from a different angle. (If you look at my previous anti-Romney posts you will see I agree with you.)

1. Romney is a self-made millionaire.
2. Romney is an excellent family man (large family, stuck by his wife through good and bad unlike Edwards and Newt).
3. Understands the free market (although he cannot explain it adequately which ticks me off)
4. Having Romney as POTUS is not nearly AS scary as having President DumbA$$ (aka America's President Mugabe) at the helm for the next 4 years thereby growing the deficit by another $5 Trillion.

I think both our JRTs would make better POTUS but they are not running.

42 posted on 04/12/2012 9:51:29 AM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Chgogal
It's not even a question of who would make a better President that will decide this election if Romney wins the GOP nomination. Democrats tend to vote along party lines while Republicans (especially conservatives) vote their principles. That's the fact. It does not matter if you like Romney or if I like Romney. The man is known to lie to your face.

What's going to decide this election (If Romney is 'our' guy) is self-respect. I cannot vote for a man who tells me he was ALWAYS a Reagan conservative and a pro-lifer and everything else he claims when it's well known that he's taken every side of every issue based only on winning an election (A LA John Kerry).

I cannot vote for a man who lies to me for my vote.

Video: The Real Romney?

43 posted on 04/12/2012 11:21:37 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: tsowellfan

Good for you, your self-respect and good for Obama. He will love your non-vote.


44 posted on 04/12/2012 12:45:18 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: tsowellfan

I hope you don’t take my reply as nasty.

But it is something we conservatives have to at least consider carefully.


45 posted on 04/12/2012 12:47:56 PM PDT by Chgogal (WSJ, Coulter, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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