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Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say
Telegraph ^ | 4/12/2012 | Staff Writers

Posted on 04/12/2012 5:00:22 AM PDT by IbJensen

Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

The article, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, says newborn babies are not “actual persons” and do not have a “moral right to life”.

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The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.

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They argued: “The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.”

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They also argued that parents should be able to have the baby killed if it turned out to be disabled without their knowing before birth, for example citing that “only the 64 per cent of Down’s syndrome cases” in Europe are diagnosed by prenatal testing.

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Dr Trevor Stammers, director of medical ethics at St Mary's University College, said: "If a mother does smother her child with a blanket, we say 'it's doesn't matter, she can get another one,' is that what we want to happen?

"What these young colleagues are spelling out is what we would be the inevitable end point of a road that ethical philosophers in the States and Australia have all been treading for a long time and there is certainly nothing new."

...Dr Stammers added: "This is just verbal manipulation that is not philosophy. I might refer to abortion henceforth as antenatal infanticide."

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KEYWORDS: abortionafterbirth; babykillers; moralabsolutes; murderingchildren; prolife; shameofamerica
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To: IbJensen

Are the innocent victims of collateral damage morally irrelevant also?


41 posted on 04/12/2012 7:49:46 AM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: IbJensen
Parents should be allowed to have their newborn babies killed because they are “morally irrelevant” and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

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Why are "medical ethicists" so often lacking in morality?

42 posted on 04/12/2012 8:15:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: IbJensen
I double-checked the date of publication. It wasn't April 1st.

This is where we're headed.

Fast.

43 posted on 04/12/2012 8:52:45 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: IbJensen
....... and ending their lives is no different to abortion, a group of medical ethicists linked to Oxford University has argued.

They're absolutely right on this point. Abortion IS killing a baby.

Murder is murder.

Too bad they don't see THAT point.

44 posted on 04/12/2012 9:22:07 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: zencycler

Well said.


45 posted on 04/12/2012 9:26:41 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wagglebee

You are ABSOKUTELY correct!!

Liberals will lie. They will create their own facts. They will even believe their own fabrications.

Occassionally, there is one who sees the facts as they are. They see the facts truly and correctly; they see facts that both they and we conservatives can agree on. AND THEY DRAW EXACTLY THE WRONG CONCLUSIONS.

How is this possible?? I do not know; but Satan will explain it to them when they come into HIS kingdom.


46 posted on 04/12/2012 9:39:35 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: IbJensen

This is pure evil.

I have a grand-niece who is expecting twins in mid-June. She has been married nearly 5 years and she wants to be a Mom - desperately! She has suffered two miscarriages and one stillborn daughter who was only 2 weeks from full-term when the cord strangled the infant. This couple is praying so hard for God to grant them a safe birth for their twins. Every day that she keeps the twins in her womb is a day for rejoicing.

People who write such evil things consider themselves ethicists???? What sort of idiocy have we come to?


47 posted on 04/12/2012 9:53:54 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: IbJensen

For forty years they mocked anyone who said that abortion put us on a “slippery slope” to infanticide.


48 posted on 04/12/2012 9:58:16 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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Killing babies no different from abortion, experts say

They're right: therefore babies should not be killed before OR after birth.

49 posted on 04/12/2012 2:59:49 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

It’s not a slippery slope.

It’s the same thing.


50 posted on 04/12/2012 3:01:04 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012

Granted, but our opponents saw a distinction between the two acts, and refused to believe that acceptance of one would inevitably lead to acceptance of the other.


51 posted on 04/12/2012 3:12:05 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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