Skip to comments.The Perfect Storm for a 3rd Party run (Vanity)
Posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:24 AM PDT by Mechanicos
If Romney wins the nomination it will set up the Perfect Political Storm for the Democrats to run a 3rd Party "conservative" to siphon enough votes to let Obama win.
Romney is so detestable to so many conservative and so similar to Obama on so many issues that for many there's no compelling reason to vote for him. Also, Obama and the Democrats have more then enough of a war chest as well as a complacent media to make a 3rd party run look worthwhile as well as feasible to the massive number of disenfranchised conservatives who reject Romney.
With the Media and Democrat war chest supporting a 3rd Party type run they can bleed off enough to let Obama win with as little as a 3rd... To make it work they would need a GOP candidate so disliked and so similar to the Democrat candidate it would make the risk appear worthwhile to vote for the 3rd party.
As it stands Romney is NOT the Nominee and may not be the Nominee if enough conservatives continue to vote against him in the remaining primaries. He has about 535 committed delegates now ONLY. That's a long way from the 1444 first vote he needs. And the Paul camp probably has enough stealth delegates to prevent Romney from winning the first vote if he does not have enough committed delegates by convention time.
Its a long shot but we may still be able to prevent the Democrats and Media from forcing Romney on us. Because if they succeed there is a real possibility a 3rd party will siphon off enough to let Obama win again.
They're running the Americans Elect party which is already on all 50 ballots. I think they're looking for a "centrist." Schoen wrote that op-ed last year saying Obama should bow out and let Hillary run this year. So depending on who they pick as their candidate, it could siphon off votes from either the R or D. Picking Huntsman sounds like a direct strategy to split the Mormon and Republican vote though, so that would suggest Schoen was an Obama operative all along and the Hillary op-ed was just a head fake.
Hmmm ... there are still a few variables out there that could (maybe, possibly) change the entire game.
I’ve still got my fingers crossed for something spectacular, like Obummer being declared ineligible by the Supremes or having several states refuse to place him on the ballot. That would certainly shuffle the deck!
I think Obummer’s web of lies is unraveling. (We are all Breitbart!) He cannot POSSIBLY dodge sharp questions about his college transcripts, Social Security and Selective Service, natural-born status or why he no longer holds a law license, to name a few issues. He was given a pass the first time around but people now want answers.
If a third-party bid appears (I hope none do but there is desperation in the air) then Palin/West would be the best possible option. Sarah still draws huge crowds and people DO trust her, no matter what the naysayers believe. And I’d follow Colonel West into Hell carrying a gas can, as would many others.
Of course, we should have started a Conservative GOP party right after the 2010 election, but that is all water under the bridge now.
Ross Perot did a service to this country few seem to grasp
Bush was giving the democraps everything they wanted
Clinton was worse, and the so GOP paid for it with Perot siphoning off their votes, giving Clinton the win.
But the size of the Perot vote convinced the GOP to move farther right and as a direct result we got Newt gingrich and a GOP congress for the first time in 40 years.
They were even calling themselve “The Limbaugh Freshmen” (or something similar) because he said why people voted for Perot instead of the GOP.
Gingrich forced Clinton to balance the budget and reform welfare, for which we should be eternally grateful and why Gingrich should be GIVEN THIS presidency by default.
And we have Perot to thank for gingrich winning in 2004
“And we have Perot to thank for gingrich winning in 2004”
And we can thank him for 8 years of Clinton.
I’m not going to vote for Romney - but I’m not going to pave the way for an Obama win either. I’m sitting this one out as a protest... maybe forever. I’m that sick of the GOP. But backing a third party (that can’t win) is similar to sending a cash donations to Obama. Not gonna do it.
OK you talked me into it. I’ll run. Send me $400 million so I can smear Mitt and Barry. If elected everybody gets a free assault rifle, 1000 round of ammo and a check for $100,000.
It depends what you mean by “third party.” Ross Perot was a fake “conservative” who was engineered by bill clinton to siphon votes away from “Read My Lips” Bush. That was obvious in the debates, when Perot spent all his time attacking Bush and ignoring Clinton.
On the other hand, the situation is different now. The Republican Party has virtually committed suicide, and it seems unlikely that it can come back from the dead again.
There IS one possible Democrat/fake conservative candidate out there, who resembles Ross Perot. Namely, Donald Trump. But I don’t see any signs of him running at the moment, and he actually admitted not long ago that he is a Democrat again. If The Donald enters the race, it will be as a Democrat spoiler. But I think it’s unlikely.
There is at least some possibility that since the GOP has now finished committing suicide, we will come together behind a real conservative candidate, and Romney and the GOP will be kicked to the curb like the Whigs in the time of Abe Lincoln. But that will be very hard to do.
Well, we’ll see. The problem is that conservatives are split between libertarians and social conservatives, and it seems as if they are incapable of acting together on anything. Well, we’ll see. It will take extraordinarily strong leadership to pull us out of the pit we have dug for ourselves here. And Romney is NOT the solution.
Romney is going to lose anyhow.
A third party candidate with money (there don’t seem to be any out there) could win, as Obama and Romney would split the liberal/moderate vote.
Works for me!
It’s a concept so simple, that all the Fans of Peter Pan candidates here will NEVER get. They’re way too be busy admiring their “purity” in their over-used mirrors
Romney is so detestable to so many conservative and so similar to Obama on so many issues that for many there’s no compelling reason to vote for him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I expect the real 3rd-party momentum will be AFTER the election, after Romney loses. The GOP will fully split in two, between the establishment and the conservative, Tea party side.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And many conservatives are perfectly willing to speed that up by voting for Obama. Count on it.
Why wait? If you don’t vote for the person most in agreement with your views, your views will never be known and you will have wasted your vote.
Losing isn’t the worse thing, abandoning your principles is.
The GOP has committed suicide by nominating this buffoon. The open primaries allowed it to happen. A third party may be our only hope.
FWIW Ross Perot would have won this upcoming election by a landslide.
To state that a 3rd party candidate would be a plot of the democrats is to demean alternatives to Romney as closet democrats.
I don’t buy it.
There is such a thing as a principled run when the choices are unacceptable.
To top it off, Romney is already a radical liberal. Voting for him IS voting for liberalism.
Come on Conservatives, I’ve got 6 letters for all of us: OMG...Vote: ABO (Obama Must Go...Vote Anybody But Obama)
We sat on our hands last time and got Obama. Sit on your hands this year and you’ll again be voting for Obama!
Conservatives have the largest block. Vote ABO!
The way things are looking, we’re likely to have the only pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-Constitution, Peace Through Strength presidential candidate on the ballot this year:
And if conservatives would simply quit voting for liberals, who knows what could happen...
I have friends that are fiscal conservatives who are stunned that I'm not going to vote for Romney. I've tried explaining to them as a Christian how important the social issues are to me, but they just think social conservatives are wrong to place such a high emphasis on these issues.
I agree that it's wrong to have Rats vote in our primaries. I think the answer is to have closed primaries voting in order from the highest vote % for the previous Pub candidate to the lowest. As it is now Texas never voted for the candidates, but NY and IL did vote.
I’m voting for the constitution party so with that kind of a decision all I can say is Good luck defending Romney. At this point I saw no difference between the R and the D parties. More people will be dissatisfied by the choices so I can see that the 3rd party rout will be popular.
Yes, I agree, a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.
So, My belief is nationalize the Congressional/Senatorial elections. Make every candidate for the GOP - incumbent or challenger declare who they will vote for for Majority Leader - that is how it should be phrased - so that when it comes to pass Boehner and McConnell are gone.
Jim, This is something FR should create, sponsor and lead on. That way we're not just the website of NO.
DEFEAT WILLARD ! DEFEAT ZERO !