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The Perfect Storm for a 3rd Party run (Vanity)
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Posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:24 AM PDT by Mechanicos

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To: woweeitsme
Doug Schoen (Sp?) was on Hannity about a month ago espousing this. He is for a Huntsman candidacy and is already working toward it. Schoen is a “D”, but he’s not an Obama fan, supposedly.

They're running the Americans Elect party which is already on all 50 ballots. I think they're looking for a "centrist." Schoen wrote that op-ed last year saying Obama should bow out and let Hillary run this year. So depending on who they pick as their candidate, it could siphon off votes from either the R or D. Picking Huntsman sounds like a direct strategy to split the Mormon and Republican vote though, so that would suggest Schoen was an Obama operative all along and the Hillary op-ed was just a head fake.

51 posted on 04/12/2012 8:30:08 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Mechanicos

Hmmm ... there are still a few variables out there that could (maybe, possibly) change the entire game.

I’ve still got my fingers crossed for something spectacular, like Obummer being declared ineligible by the Supremes or having several states refuse to place him on the ballot. That would certainly shuffle the deck!

I think Obummer’s web of lies is unraveling. (We are all Breitbart!) He cannot POSSIBLY dodge sharp questions about his college transcripts, Social Security and Selective Service, natural-born status or why he no longer holds a law license, to name a few issues. He was given a pass the first time around but people now want answers.

If a third-party bid appears (I hope none do but there is desperation in the air) then Palin/West would be the best possible option. Sarah still draws huge crowds and people DO trust her, no matter what the naysayers believe. And I’d follow Colonel West into Hell carrying a gas can, as would many others.

Of course, we should have started a Conservative GOP party right after the 2010 election, but that is all water under the bridge now.


52 posted on 04/12/2012 8:32:20 AM PDT by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. — Robert Heinlein)
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To: brownsfan; Anti-Bubba182

Ross Perot did a service to this country few seem to grasp

Bush was giving the democraps everything they wanted

Clinton was worse, and the so GOP paid for it with Perot siphoning off their votes, giving Clinton the win.

But the size of the Perot vote convinced the GOP to move farther right and as a direct result we got Newt gingrich and a GOP congress for the first time in 40 years.

They were even calling themselve “The Limbaugh Freshmen” (or something similar) because he said why people voted for Perot instead of the GOP.

Gingrich forced Clinton to balance the budget and reform welfare, for which we should be eternally grateful and why Gingrich should be GIVEN THIS presidency by default.

And we have Perot to thank for gingrich winning in 2004


53 posted on 04/12/2012 8:33:24 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Mr. K

“And we have Perot to thank for gingrich winning in 2004”

And we can thank him for 8 years of Clinton.


54 posted on 04/12/2012 8:43:54 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: Mechanicos

I’m not going to vote for Romney - but I’m not going to pave the way for an Obama win either. I’m sitting this one out as a protest... maybe forever. I’m that sick of the GOP. But backing a third party (that can’t win) is similar to sending a cash donations to Obama. Not gonna do it.


55 posted on 04/12/2012 8:47:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: Mechanicos

OK you talked me into it. I’ll run. Send me $400 million so I can smear Mitt and Barry. If elected everybody gets a free assault rifle, 1000 round of ammo and a check for $100,000.


56 posted on 04/12/2012 8:51:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Mechanicos

It depends what you mean by “third party.” Ross Perot was a fake “conservative” who was engineered by bill clinton to siphon votes away from “Read My Lips” Bush. That was obvious in the debates, when Perot spent all his time attacking Bush and ignoring Clinton.

On the other hand, the situation is different now. The Republican Party has virtually committed suicide, and it seems unlikely that it can come back from the dead again.

There IS one possible Democrat/fake conservative candidate out there, who resembles Ross Perot. Namely, Donald Trump. But I don’t see any signs of him running at the moment, and he actually admitted not long ago that he is a Democrat again. If The Donald enters the race, it will be as a Democrat spoiler. But I think it’s unlikely.

There is at least some possibility that since the GOP has now finished committing suicide, we will come together behind a real conservative candidate, and Romney and the GOP will be kicked to the curb like the Whigs in the time of Abe Lincoln. But that will be very hard to do.

Well, we’ll see. The problem is that conservatives are split between libertarians and social conservatives, and it seems as if they are incapable of acting together on anything. Well, we’ll see. It will take extraordinarily strong leadership to pull us out of the pit we have dug for ourselves here. And Romney is NOT the solution.


57 posted on 04/12/2012 9:02:06 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mechanicos

Romney is going to lose anyhow.

A third party candidate with money (there don’t seem to be any out there) could win, as Obama and Romney would split the liberal/moderate vote.


58 posted on 04/12/2012 9:06:30 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Mechanicos
Palin for President, 2012
59 posted on 04/12/2012 9:10:24 AM PDT by Antoninus (The Republican Party (now a wholly owned subsidiary of Romney, Inc.))
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Works for me!


60 posted on 04/12/2012 9:10:39 AM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: ryderann
Supposing a third party ran Palin/West...dream ticket for me...would it beat Romney and Obama?

It might not. But I'd contribute to it, work for it, vote for it. Etc.
61 posted on 04/12/2012 9:12:34 AM PDT by Antoninus (The Republican Party (now a wholly owned subsidiary of Romney, Inc.))
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To: gusty

It’s a concept so simple, that all the Fans of Peter Pan candidates here will NEVER get. They’re way too be busy admiring their “purity” in their over-used mirrors


62 posted on 04/12/2012 9:13:34 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Longbow1969
Apathy amongst conservatives spells doom for Romney. There won't be enough voters going to the polls for the right to overcome Obama’s voters.
63 posted on 04/12/2012 9:13:40 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: greene66

Romney is so detestable to so many conservative and so similar to Obama on so many issues that for many there’s no compelling reason to vote for him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I expect the real 3rd-party momentum will be AFTER the election, after Romney loses. The GOP will fully split in two, between the establishment and the conservative, Tea party side.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And many conservatives are perfectly willing to speed that up by voting for Obama. Count on it.


64 posted on 04/12/2012 9:15:21 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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65 posted on 04/12/2012 9:20:16 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Mechanicos

Why wait? If you don’t vote for the person most in agreement with your views, your views will never be known and you will have wasted your vote.

Losing isn’t the worse thing, abandoning your principles is.


66 posted on 04/12/2012 9:25:42 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Mechanicos; xzins; wmfights
Romney will be so far down in the polls by October that both independents and conservatives will be praying for anybody but Obama or Romney. Romney is a disaster waiting to happen. He has absolutely no core convictions other than his unwavering allegiance to the LDS Leadership. His flip flops will kill his candidacy. He bought the nomination. He did it by pretending to be the most conservative candidate in the race when in fact he was the least conservative candidate. He will try to run as a "moderate" which means pandering to every single focus group that wouldn't vote for a republican if their life depended on it. He will lose the base and the INDEPENDENTS are the ones who will sit this election out unless there is a third party alternative.

The GOP has committed suicide by nominating this buffoon. The open primaries allowed it to happen. A third party may be our only hope.

FWIW Ross Perot would have won this upcoming election by a landslide.

67 posted on 04/12/2012 9:53:42 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Mechanicos; P-Marlowe

To state that a 3rd party candidate would be a plot of the democrats is to demean alternatives to Romney as closet democrats.

I don’t buy it.

There is such a thing as a principled run when the choices are unacceptable.

To top it off, Romney is already a radical liberal. Voting for him IS voting for liberalism.


68 posted on 04/12/2012 9:59:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Come on Conservatives, I’ve got 6 letters for all of us: OMG...Vote: ABO (Obama Must Go...Vote Anybody But Obama)
We sat on our hands last time and got Obama. Sit on your hands this year and you’ll again be voting for Obama!
Conservatives have the largest block. Vote ABO!


69 posted on 04/12/2012 11:32:28 AM PDT by woofpack ("All govt is corrupt; local govt is the most corrupt.")
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To: xzins

The way things are looking, we’re likely to have the only pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-Constitution, Peace Through Strength presidential candidate on the ballot this year:

http://www.selfgovernment.us/

And if conservatives would simply quit voting for liberals, who knows what could happen...


70 posted on 04/12/2012 11:39:49 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: xzins
There is such a thing as a principled run when the choices are unacceptable.

Indeed.

71 posted on 04/12/2012 11:43:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: P-Marlowe; Mechanicos; xzins
The GOP has committed suicide by nominating this buffoon. The open primaries allowed it to happen.

I have friends that are fiscal conservatives who are stunned that I'm not going to vote for Romney. I've tried explaining to them as a Christian how important the social issues are to me, but they just think social conservatives are wrong to place such a high emphasis on these issues.

I agree that it's wrong to have Rats vote in our primaries. I think the answer is to have closed primaries voting in order from the highest vote % for the previous Pub candidate to the lowest. As it is now Texas never voted for the candidates, but NY and IL did vote.

72 posted on 04/12/2012 1:14:21 PM PDT by wmfights
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To: Mechanicos

I’m voting for the constitution party so with that kind of a decision all I can say is Good luck defending Romney. At this point I saw no difference between the R and the D parties. More people will be dissatisfied by the choices so I can see that the 3rd party rout will be popular.


73 posted on 04/12/2012 1:20:13 PM PDT by Mozilla (GOP is going the way of the Whigs)
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To: gusty

Yes, I agree, a vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.


74 posted on 04/12/2012 3:27:46 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Mechanicos; Jim Robinson
My mood says burn the GOP to the ground. But, my head says only if we can Nuke the DEMs from orbit just to be sure.

So, My belief is nationalize the Congressional/Senatorial elections. Make every candidate for the GOP - incumbent or challenger declare who they will vote for for Majority Leader - that is how it should be phrased - so that when it comes to pass Boehner and McConnell are gone.

Jim, This is something FR should create, sponsor and lead on. That way we're not just the website of NO.

Regards,

TS

75 posted on 04/12/2012 4:08:13 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: Mechanicos

DEFEAT WILLARD ! DEFEAT ZERO !


76 posted on 04/12/2012 5:45:58 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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