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Do Guns Belong on Public Transportation? (MO)
opposingviews.com ^ | 11 April, 2012 | Mark Berman

Posted on 04/12/2012 11:02:30 AM PDT by marktwain

Lawmakers in Missouri are considering a bill that would allow guns on public transportation.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that legislation is pending that would prohibit such cities as St. Louis and Kansas City from using local ordinances to ban guns on trains and buses.

Supporters of the bill say it would make riders safer, arguing that no one would try to commit a crime if they know other riders might be armed.

Critics feel the opposite; they say people will stop riding mass transit if guns are allowed because they won't feel safe with the weapons around.

The bill's sponsor said he proposed the legislation after gun owners contacted him.

“They feel it’s very incumbent upon their safety and their Second Amendment rights,” said Rep. Ed Schieffer, a Democrat. “I know this an emotional issue for people. This is about making people feel safer about riding."

But crime really doesn't seem to be an issue on public transportation in Missouri. St. Louis Metro officials, for example, say there were just 16 assaults and three robberies in 2010, and that the system won the Transportation Security Administration’s “Gold Standard” for its commitment to security and passenger safety this year.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; mo; transportation
I think more people of limited means use public transportation. What possible reason is there to prevent people from exercizing the Constitutional rights on public transportation?
1 posted on 04/12/2012 11:02:40 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Legal ones, yes.


2 posted on 04/12/2012 11:06:15 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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What possible reason is there to prevent people from exercizing the Constitutional rights on public transportation?

Because Eric Holder's people consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.

3 posted on 04/12/2012 11:07:06 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: marktwain

Considering how much crime takes place on mass transit by the diversity crowd, yes, the law-abiding should be able to.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 11:07:40 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain

9/11 would never have happened if the passengers had been armed. It was a massive Second Amendment failure.


5 posted on 04/12/2012 11:10:15 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Because Eric Holder's people consider violent crime to be a legitimate career path, and armed victims to be an OSHA violation.<\i>

LOL

6 posted on 04/12/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

OSHA violation....now that’s funny right there.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 11:13:21 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: marktwain
I know of twenty-five people (six of whom are dead) who probably wished that someone else had a gun handy when Colin Ferguson waged his personal war against white people on the LIRR.
8 posted on 04/12/2012 11:16:10 AM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: marktwain

Public Transportation (buses) are the only places I’ve been physically assaulted.

So, it follows in my experience that the BEST place to carry is on Public Transport.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 11:17:16 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FOCUS ON FACTS: 0bamaCare Hated. Worst Recovery. Failed Stimulus. Worst Deficits.)
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To: marktwain

yes.

because our gubmint thinks sex offenders do:

“Federal Sex-Offenders to Tap N.J. Transit for Treatment Access”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2871227/posts


10 posted on 04/12/2012 11:22:38 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: marktwain

Until they decide to ban criminals from using public transportation then YES I should be allowed to be armed using public transportation.

Gun Free Zones = easy victims


11 posted on 04/12/2012 11:27:08 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: mo
Armed?? The passengers out numbered the terrorist 15 to 1 or more at times. Not having a weapon is not an excuse. A simple black friday mob attack would have plenty to overwhelm the terrorist.
12 posted on 04/12/2012 11:31:06 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Sopater; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

AHA!! The magic word, “Legal”. Can anyone inform us of the number of random shootings committed, anywhere, by legally licensed, properly motivated LEGAL GUN OWNERS?
(Sound of crickets, I bet.)


13 posted on 04/12/2012 11:31:37 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: marktwain

It always goes this way. “People will avoid mass transit if they know guns may be aboard”. Fact of the matter is, currently, there are guns aboard, and 99.997% of them are being carried by criminals. Law-abiding citizens who put themselves through CCW training, vetting and endorsement processes likely do not illegally carry at all. So, those who believe that good folks will avoid mass transit because a few Missourians (136k CCW endorsements active as of 31 March per DOR reports published on their webpage, of just over 6 million total residents in the state) are simply stupid. Either that or they want to frighten plain folks. Figure out which.

I would rather hope that the guy or gal next to me on mass transit is lawfully armed than be forced to assume he is unlawfully armed....


14 posted on 04/12/2012 11:34:48 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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Guns belong wherever free people belong.

The right to KEEP and BEAR arms SHALL NOT be infringed.

15 posted on 04/12/2012 11:58:03 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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So only people who own cars should be allowed to own guns? Isn’t that racist, or something?


16 posted on 04/12/2012 12:15:27 PM PDT by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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17 posted on 04/12/2012 12:48:50 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Maceman

>>>I know of twenty-five people (six of whom are dead) who probably wished that someone else had a gun handy when Colin Ferguson waged his personal war against white people on the LIRR.<<<

Ironically, the idiot mother and wife of two of the victims is now one of the leading gun grabbers in Congress. If not for New York’s anti-2nd Amendment laws, Ferguson likely would have stopped by an armed passenger or passengers (or known better than to even attempt his murderous rampage), McCarthy’s husband would be alive and her son would not have been maimed.

Did Colin Ferguson care about NY gun control laws? Did he care that guns were not allowed on the LIRR?


18 posted on 04/12/2012 12:48:54 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The candidate I vote for will NOT have a CARE after his name.)
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To: marktwain

Criminals don’t belong on Public Transportation!

So, unless the gov’t is going to start screening riders for prior criminal convictions, I’m going to assume my protection is my business!


19 posted on 04/12/2012 1:08:01 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: marktwain

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20 posted on 04/12/2012 1:15:48 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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"But crime really doesn't seem to be an issue on public transportation in Missouri. St. Louis Metro officials, for example, say there were just 16 assaults and three robberies in 2010"

Yeah, crime was not an issue unless you happened to be one of the poor bast**ds who got beat up. Those 16 who got hurt would beg to differ with the idiot who made that stupid statement!

21 posted on 04/13/2012 4:53:31 PM PDT by KC_Right_Wing_Conspirator
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