Posted on 04/12/2012 11:15:49 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
Glenn Beck has been in Texas only a few months, and he's already talking big.
Now, he wants to address America from his own Oval Office.
Lest anyone fear that something has suddenly gone drastically wrong in our country, Beck's Oval Office is a movie set in Irving.
-SNIP-
Saying he will "deliver the speeches the president should have delivered," Beck promised to "activate the sleeping giant" of Christian conservatives in America with speeches from his new set on the Studios' Stage A.
Mainly, of course, Beck's goal is to motivate subscribers to pay $9.95 a month for his show, broadcast daily to about 300,000 viewers via computer, iPad, iPhone or other household appliance.
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Beck said he hopes to hire 1,000 workers in Irving for an entrepreneurial project.
It's named American Dream Labs.
He's right about the dream part
(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
(It would sure SUCK to be a Salt Lake City MORMON, and have THIS prophet's words hanging over your head! I guess they would have to 'believe' that BY was wrong; or perhaps speaking metaphorically.)
Your cite refers to the book of Revelation alone. Regardless, why should one believe it is the “word of God?” The Gospel of John was written long after Christ and no one is precisely sure who wrote it.
And again, how is it possible that a power capable of creating the universe, create life, create human beings, etc. - a power with the wisdom of eternity - condemn people to flaming hell for, essentially, picking the wrong door on Let’s Make a Deal?
Ya because that's what I was bound and determined to do. (eyes roll)
I read all kinds of threads, thanks.
Well then if you read other threads you'd be honest and admit there are right wingers whom think those that spew anti Mormonism rhetoric on FR are bigoted. It's a fact. You are just simply wrong.
And that has nothing to do with the fact that any doctrine which contradicts the word of God is, by definition, false. Now, coming from where you are, I don’t expect you to understand. That’s OK.
I probably understand as well or even more than you do. I just don't agree with what you accept as being "the Word of God."
May I ask, though-—are you a Mormon?
Certainly. No. They actually accept NT writings as holy writ.
Thank you. Didn't realize you thought so highly of me. lol.
LMAO, suuuuuuurrrrrrrrreeeeeeeee, Beck has always been in the tank for Romney, LMAO, he mocks him constantly, I don't know what Beck programs you're listening to but the ones I listen to have him and his crew constantly mocking Romney, I guess some of us listen more closely than others. The "numerous" posters are the ones who can't stand Beck, the ones who think he's crazy, so it's not surprising they would come to the conclusion that Beck is in the tank for Romney.
Beck has tanked on his radio show in my market that as of this week, he was taken off the air on KVOR and was replaced with with Huckabee's new show. And before that, Beck's time slot was switched with Mark Levin to give Levin the better time slot since his show is better and does better than Beck's show. It's been all downhill for Beck in this conservative area market.
Hmmm, so when Levin is taken off a particular station or hannity or someone else I guess we can conclude that it's all downhill for them as well.
Your characterization of me is inaccurate. I’ve been honest with you and for my part, this discussion is over.
You need to go back and read what you wrote.
The Golden Rule.
I guess YOUR 'clay' is not to be shaped by the Potter; eh?
MY thoughts are not YOUR thoughts?
MY ways are not YOUR ways?
Damned if I know!!!
II!
From YOU???
II!
You FUNNY!!
As CORRUPTED holy writ is what you SHOULD have typed; true?
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......but I’ll vote for Romney given the choice between him and Obama, and I pray others will do the same.
Helped ya...
Says the kettle. As he's smoking pot. :-)
I have no problem with most of the content. I enjoy a hillside filled with marigold and daffodils as much as the next person. Just not convinced about its alleged infallibility.
That would explain the fixation on the repetitive insults of “immature” and “grow up”. Eunuchs’ efforts to appear virile. Must suck to never be able to function as a fully emancipated person capable of independent thought and action. Reinforces the aggressive conformity too, like a basket full of angry crabs making sure than none of the others escape.
Perfect chattel for the Party plantation.
Anyone can write a book describing what God told them.
The only part I sort of followed there was your mention of the Golden Rule. It’s a great rule. And because God would not wish me to throw Him into a pit of fire, I expect he will not do that to me.
About what? Yes, I know some folks think that calling a false religion what it is, is bigotry. Am I supposed to be influenced by that somehow? Do you live your life according to what people think of you, or what you know is right?
" I probably understand as well or even more than you do. I just don't agree with what you accept as being "the Word of God."
It doesn't matter what any of us think. What does His word say? Compare it to Mormon writings, and the matter's pretty much settled.
"Certainly. No. They actually accept NT writings as holy writ."
Sorry, wrong. They believe Scripture is flawed, and that their own doctrine corrected it.
“Seriously, I’ve thought it through for dozens of years. How could God be less merciful, less forgiving than man?”
I’m astounded that you have made man the measure of God’s character!
You might as well make every pot the standard of character for the Potter.
The second thing that jumps out at me is that you have truncated God’s character to being just loving and just merciful.
God is also righteous. God is also holy.
The solution you have arrived at is to make God equal in character to fallen man by eliminating the parts you do not like.
Only in Christ does the Loving, Merciful God who is also Righteous and Holy find full expression of all His Character, providing forgiveness that is unconditional (unlike man’s standard). Sin is fully judged, satisfying God’s Justice, Righteousness and Holiness. Mercy is delivered, Love is poured out and God is reconciled with His creation on His terms.
Your explanation falls short by an immeasurable distance. Your god/idol is the size of man. Your idol is not holy, righteous, loving or just.
And that is just the tip of the iceberg of what is wrong with your claim. As I said, you are free to worship the small god you created, while turning your back on God Himself. I wish you the best.
ampu
If just stands to reason that there cannot be men who are more just, forgiving, merciful, or wise than God. If man, in his finest state, would not throw good people into a lake of fire, then it stands to reason that neither would a just, forgiving, merciful, and wise God.
It boils down to this: Any “god” that would condemn “non-Christians” to eternal hell fire must be considered “mad” and unworthy of worship. This is not a new idea or one that I came up with on my own. I certainly don’t have any negative feeling toward those who disagree nor do I claim that my beliefs are “true” and that others are not.
The last point is that I would base my vote on a candidate’s belief in the principles of freedom, not on their beliefs about Jesus or hellfire or whatever.
My Jesus is better than your Jesus. :-) na na na na na na
Your God is pretty tiny to hide behind a man.
Your standards of character are as incomplete as your idols.
My job is to open doors. I can’t make you walk through them.
I think my God works very well for me - faith plus rationality. I think that’s what He wants us to show. Thank you for not making me walk through your door.
There’s only one.
BTW, how old are you? About 14? You seem incredibly immature.
“I think my God works very well for me - faith plus rationality.
I think that’s what He wants us to show. Thank you for not making
me walk through your door.”
Seriously. The purpose of God isn’t to “work for you”.
He is God. You should be more concerned about what
He expects from you than how you can fit Him behind a man.
As I noted. Your God is quite tiny.
As to what He wants... you made that up out of whole cloth
by cutting out the parts of His Character you didn’t like (feelings).
Still, I wish you the best. I leave you in His hands.
Just don’t. Not worth it, just a pot stirrer.
Quite a few recently.
They pride themselves on tossing nothing worth while in on a fight in which they have no dog...
Hey!
Are you channeling Samuel Clemens???
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do!"
Oh?
What parts are you having trouble believing?
Since you've dismissed how a god might communicate to men; thru a book; just how does your god communicate to you what his wishes are or are not?
Sorry; I should have included the reference:
Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
Isaiah 29:16 You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, "He did not make me"? Can the pot say of the potter, "He knows nothing"?
Isaiah 45:9 "Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker, to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?
And that is a worthy goal.
But, as you seem to know; there are those of us that think past this world into the next, and are DEFINITELY more worried about a person's ETERNAL destiny than whether they will live in relative freedom while breathing.
And that is a worthy goal.
But, as you seem to know; there are those of us that think past this world into the next, and are DEFINITELY more worried about a person's ETERNAL destiny than whether they will live in relative freedom while breathing.
I think one thing we can agree on is that BOTH sets of ideas cannot be true.
Compartive RELIGION 101
Does the JEWISH 'god' condemn folks?
Does the MUSLIM 'god' condemn folks?
Does the HINDU 'gods' condemn folks?
Are there ANY 'gods' out there that do NOT zap folks for one reason or another?
I know...
It boils down to this:
"Did GOD really say..."
I don’t think you are so invincible.
Reference bump ...
Just wanted to take it down to your level.
I'd say the jury's still out. :-)
And I don't think you're really a cow. :-)
It’s more than that. Remember, God gave us the power to reason.
They would all be wrong to do so. Enlightened members of those faiths would reject the idea. And there’s a glaring flaw in the argument you just made; a paradox, really. I leave it as an exercise for you to spot.
He might communicate through a book, but more likely he appeals to our reason, the gift He gave us.
It’s interesting the way you feel you need to insist how “big” your god is.
“Beck going all in for Mitt?”
If he’s smart he will. Everyone loves a winner.
Yes, I worship the FUll-SIZE God of the universe. On the outside chance you have never seen His attributes listed, I googled this up for you... He is truly amazing. Please read this list of His revealed attributes and then consider how small anything less is... how morally imperfect anything less is. He isn't big because He is the God I worship. He is amazing. I fall at His feet.
... my apologies that the formatting is not crisper and more readable. And as always, I wish you the best.
1. SELF-EXISTENT: God has no cause; He does not depend on anything for his continued existence.
a. I AM WHO I AM (Ex. 3:14; see John 8:58)
b. Life in Himself (John 5:26)
c. First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End; as the Beginning, God has no cause (Isa. 41:4; 44:6; 48:12; Rev. 1:8, 17; 2:8; 3:14; 21:6; 22:13)
d. No God before or after Yahweh (Isa. 43:10)
2. TRANSCENDENT: God is entirely distinct from the universe, as the carpenter is distinct from the bench; excluding pantheism (God in all) and animism (everything is a god).
a. Separate from the world (Isa. 66:1-2; Acts 17:24)
b. Contrasted with the world (Psa. 102:25-27; I John 2:15-17)
c. Implied by doctrine of creation (Gen. 1:1; Isa. 42:5)
3. IMMANENT: Though transcendent, God is present with and in the world; excluding deism (God is out there but not here).
a. God is near, so He can be known (Deut. 4:7; Jer. 23:23; Acts 17:27)
b. Bound up with God's omnipresence (Psa. 139:7-10; Jer. 23:24; Acts 17:28)
4. IMMUTABLE: God is perfect in that He never changes nor can He change with respect to His being, attributes, purpose, or promises; excluding process theology, Mormon doctrine of eternal progression.
a. Unchangeable (Psa. 102:26-27; Isa. 51:6; Mal. 3:6; Rom. 1:23; Heb. 1:11-12; James 1:17; Heb. 13:8)
b. God's relations with changing men spoken of as God changing (Ex. 32:9-14; Psa. 18:25-27)
5. ETERNAL: God is perfect in that He transcends all time and temporal limitations, and is thus infinite with respect to time.
a. Duration through endless ages (Ps. 90:2; 93:2; 102:12; Eph. 3:21)
b. Unlimited by time (Psa. 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8)
c. Creator of the ages ( i.e., of time itself; Heb. 1:2; 11:3)
d. Implied by doctrines of transcendence, self-existence, and immutability
6. OMNIPRESENT: God is perfect in that He transcends all space and spatial limitations, and is thus infinite with respect to space, with His whole Being filling every part of the universe and being present everywhere (not diffused through the universe, but present at each point in His fullness).
a. The universe cannot contain God (1 Kings 8:27; Isa. 66:1; Acts 7:48-49)
b. Present everywhere (Psa. 139:7-10; Acts 17:28; of Christ, Matt. 18:20; 28:20)
c. Fills all things (Jer. 23:23-24; of Christ, Eph. 1:23; 4:10; Col. 3:11)
d. Implied by doctrine of transcendence
7. OMNIPOTENT: God is perfect in that He can do all things consistent with the perfection of His being. God cannot do the self-contradictory (e.g., make a rock He cannot lift), nor can He do that which is contrary to His perfect nature (e.g., He cannot change, He cannot lie, etc.).
a. Nothing too difficult (Gen. 18:14; Jer. 32:17, 27; Zech. 8:6; Matt. 3:9)
b. All things possible (Job 42:2; Psa. 115:3; Matt. 19:26; Mark 10:27; Luke 1:37; 18:27; Eph. 1:11)
c. God cannot lie, be tempted, deny Himself, etc. (2 Tim. 2:13; Titus 1:2; Heb. 6:18; James 1:13)
8. OMNISCIENT: God is perfect in that He knows all things, including events before they happen.
a. Perfect in knowledge, Job 37:16
b. Knows the heart (1 Sam. 16:7; 1 Chr. 28:9, 17; Psa. 139:1-4; Jer. 17:10a)
c. Knows all events to come (Isa. 41:22-23; 42:9; 44:7)
9. INCORPOREAL: God has no body or parts, and is immaterial, being a simple and infinite being of spirit; excluding the Mormon doctrine of God as an exalted man.
a. God is spirit (John 4:24)
b. God is not a man (Num. 23:19; 1 Sam. 15:29)
c. Implied by doctrines of self-existence, transcendence, omnipresence, and creation.
10. ONE: God is a perfectly unique and simple being, existing as one infinite Being called God. There is therefore only one God, who is called Yahweh in the Old Testament, and who reveals Himself in the persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the New Testament; thus excluding polytheism, tritheism (belief in three gods), and subordinationism (in which Christ is a lesser god subordinate to the Almighty God).
a. Only one God (Deut. 6:4; Isa. 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5-7, 21-22; Zech. 14:9; 1 Cor. 8:4-6; Gal. 3:20; Eph. 4:5-6; 1 Tim. 2:5; James 2:19)
b. All other "gods" are only "so-called," (1 Cor. 8:4-6; 2 Thess. 2:4)
c. Moses was "as God," not God or divine (Ex. 4:16; 7:1)
d. Satan, idols, and the belly are all false gods (Psa. 96:4-5; 1 Cor. 10:20; 2 Cor. 4:4; Phil. 3:19)
e. Wicked judges called "gods" in irony, not to describe nature (Psa. 82:1, 6; John 10:34-36)
f. Yahweh is Elohim (Gen. 2:4; Deut. 4:35, 39; Psa. 100:3 [thus excluding the view of Mormonism that Jehovah and Elohim are distinct beings])
g. Implied by the doctrines of self-existence, transcendence, and omnipotence
11. CREATOR: God is the One through whom all things have come into existence; by His unbounded power and knowledge He created finite existence ex nihilo and formed the universe as it now is.
a. Created all things (Gen. 1:1; Psa. 33:6; 102:25; John 1:3; Rom. 11:36; Heb. 1:2; 11:3)
b. Made all things by Himself (Isa. 44:24)
c. Implied by doctrine of self-existence
12. PERSONAL: God, as the author of personhood in the created universe, cannot be less than personal Himself; thus He experiences relationships with other persons, or self-conscious beings. Note that God may be more than personal, indeed, His infinite nature suggests that He must be.
a. Scripture everywhere assumes the personhood of God in the use of personal pronouns, in recording Him
speaking and acting willfully, etc. (e.g., Gen. 1:3, 26; Heb. 1:1-2; etc.)
b. God gives Himself a name (Yahweh), and says "I am" (Exod. 3:14)
c. Implied by doctrine of creation
13. INCOMPREHENSIBLE: God is incomprehensible, not in the sense that the concept of God is unintelligible, but in the sense that God cannot be fully and directly known by finite creatures, because of His uniqueness and His infinitude.
a. None like God (Ex. 8:10; 9:14; 15:11; 2 Sam. 7:22; 1 Chr. 17:20; Psa. 86:8; 1 Kgs. 8:23; Isa. 40:18, 25; 44:7;
56:5, 9; Jer. 10:6-7; Micah 7:18)
b. Analogical language necessary to describe God (Ezek. 1:26-28; Rev. 1:13-16)
c. God cannot be comprehended as He really is (1 Cor. 8:2-3)
d. God can only be known as the Son reveals Him (John 1:18; Matt. 11:25-27)
14. MORALLY PERFECT: The following are the moral attributes of God; they are listed here together because God's moral nature is perfectly unified, with no tension between His wrath and His love, for example.
a. GOOD: God is morally excellent, and does only good (Gen. 1:31; Deut. 8:16; Psa. 107:8; 118:1; Nahum 1:7; Mark 10:18; Rom. 8:28)
b. HOLY: God is morally transcendent, utterly separated from all evil, and perfectly pure (Ex. 3:5; Lev. 19:2; Psa. 5:4-6; 99:5; Isa. 6:3; 8:13; Hab. 1:12-13; 1 Pet. 1:14-19)
c. RIGHTEOUS: God is perfectly moral in all that He does, doing everything right ( Isa. 45:21; Zeph. 3:5; Rom. 3:26)
d. TRUE: God is perfectly truthful, and cannot lie (John 17:17; Titus 1:2; Heb. 6:18)
e. LOVING: God's moral character is pure love, sacrificial giving for the true benefit of another (Deut. 7:7-8; Jer. 31:3; John 3:16; Heb. 12:6)
f. WRATHFUL: God's moral perfection requires Him to show displeasure against anything which seeks to act contrary to its moral purpose, to judge that which rebels against His authority as Creator and Lord (Psa. 103:8-9; Rom. 2:5; 11:22; Heb. 10:31)
See, it’s that rathful vengeful stuff that I reject. I think it was made up by men to frighten people. But a true God would not strive to frighten people. If His purpose is for people to live a moral life, then he would take pleasure in the moral lives of all His children whether they were Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, etc.—including non-believers.
But this has nothing to do with size. It has everything to do with wisdom and reason.
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