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Two Coast Guard members shot dead at Alaska air base
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Posted on 04/12/2012 2:42:58 PM PDT by nuconvert

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) - Two members of the U.S. Coast Guard were found shot to death at an air base on Kodiak Island in Alaska on Thursday, and the installation was placed on a security alert, the Coast Guard said.

The two were found dead at a communications facility at the Coast Guard Base Support Unit Kodiak, and authorities were looking for a potential suspect who might be at large, according to a Coast Guard statement.

Because circumstances of the shooting were not immediately clear, the Coast Guard said the base, located about 250 miles southwest of Anchorage, was placed on lockdown as a precaution, as were nearby schools in the area.

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1 posted on 04/12/2012 2:43:12 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: Anoreth

“Hate when that happens” ping. I’m guessing a domestic dispute.


2 posted on 04/12/2012 2:44:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Anoreth

Your grandad and Uncle Ernie had an exceptional fishing trip to Kodiak, back in the 90s.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 2:45:58 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

With all respect to the deceased, the headline sounds like the opening line to a Tom Clancy novel.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 2:48:06 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: nuconvert

What did they hear that they weren’t supposed to?


5 posted on 04/12/2012 2:48:17 PM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: Cyman

Yes, that’s true ... or the “second opener,” after the historical setup, of a Clive Cussler novel.


6 posted on 04/12/2012 2:50:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: nuconvert

I wonder if this is yet another “Base” where only the bad guys get to be armed?


7 posted on 04/12/2012 2:55:52 PM PDT by soycd
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To: Tax-chick

It’s odd because a “communications facility” is usually a secure building.


8 posted on 04/12/2012 2:58:18 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not stupid, it's advanced!)
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To: Tax-chick

Might be another “allahu akbar” dude.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 2:58:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Tax-chick

So they’d need the actual codes or keys to even get in.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 3:01:48 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not stupid, it's advanced!)
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To: Anoreth; stephenjohnbanker
Might be another “allahu akbar” dude.

True, but only two killed and then the "possible suspect" wanders off at large? Jihadists usually kill as many as possible until they're stopped by a bullet.

Your dad and I have worked in "secure buildings": "Can I use your card to pass in? I left mine at home."

11 posted on 04/12/2012 3:02:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Anoreth

If all three of the main actors worked in the building, they’d all have access. One of the three was *involved* with both of the other two, and a dispute arose which left two dead and one “suspect.”

Other scenarios are available, of course, in the absence of other information, but this is a really easy, obvious one.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 3:06:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

Secure means you need a better clearance than I have.
However “at” could mean anything from inside to out at the smoking area to walking by on the way to the parking lot. It’s not clear whether they even worked there.
A friend of mine from A school works at AIRSTA Kodiak.


13 posted on 04/12/2012 3:07:07 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not stupid, it's advanced!)
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To: Anoreth
... “at” could mean anything from inside to out at the smoking area to walking by on the way to the parking lot. It’s not clear whether they even worked there.

Good point.

We'll learn more eventually, I suppose.

14 posted on 04/12/2012 3:08:48 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick

The story will be out by the end of next week.


15 posted on 04/12/2012 3:18:01 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not stupid, it's advanced!)
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To: nuconvert

If there are two dead people and neither appears to be a suicide, I think they should be looking for more than a potential suspect.

But that could just be a comprehension problem for me. English wasn’t my best subject.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 3:18:12 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: txhurl
What did they hear that they weren’t supposed to?


My experience at comm stations is that you normally don't ‘hear’ anything. You could if you wanted, but you don't.

More likely crypo codes or the ‘safe’. There was something their they wanted, we may never know.

Normal procedures would call for all crypto codes to be canceled and renewed. Dealing with Obama however, they may just continue with the same crypto codes.

Holder may step in and say, "Hey, you know what? Let's just all pretend this never happened." "There is no need to renew the crypto codes, everything will just be fine. Hey, Trust me....man." With the Holder/Obama thing, you just cannot know whose side he is on. Really.

You can't have a 'revolution' without a few dead bodies.

Wait until Soros, Penn, and Baldwin, and all the "Leftist Communist" big wigs find out what they will be dealing with very soon. Jews, huh, you gotta love um. Crazy idiots but beautiful nonetheless.

Crazy world my friends...

17 posted on 04/12/2012 3:23:31 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Anoreth

Don’t know if they were inside. All the article says is at. They could have been walking to/from their car.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 3:29:39 PM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: stuartcr

True enough. You need a bunch of codes and clearances to even get into that kind of building. This, of course, assumes that they are talking about what I think they are and not just the base quarterdeck area.
But to get on base the person would need either a ID or to be with someone who had one. I would be looking for more than one perp if I was CGIS.


19 posted on 04/12/2012 3:36:09 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not stupid, it's advanced!)
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To: nuconvert

I hope this doesnt impact the gun owning/use liberties that Coasties enjoy up there. One stupid screw up will ruin it for everyone.

As for what happened... Not even a guess.


20 posted on 04/12/2012 3:36:18 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: hattend

PING!


21 posted on 04/12/2012 3:38:28 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus
What kind of a nut commits murder on an island?
The polulation is around 13000. What little info they provide about the place makes it sound like transportation on or off the island is NOT a bus every fifteen minutes...
22 posted on 04/12/2012 3:44:15 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: Roccus; hattend

Sorry hat. I read this thread before I saw yours and thought of you immediately.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 3:45:20 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

No Problem

Thanks for thinking of me. :-)


24 posted on 04/12/2012 4:14:39 PM PDT by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: nuconvert

Start checking out the muzzies


25 posted on 04/12/2012 4:37:53 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: soycd

Unfortunately that is 98% of the bases.


26 posted on 04/12/2012 4:44:57 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: nuconvert

Ask any cop and they will tell you that lovers quarrels between homosexuals are the most nasty violent and deadly.

With no more DADT this is going to happen a lot.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 4:49:41 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: nuconvert

Ask any cop and they will tell you that lovers quarrels between homosexuals are the most nasty violent and deadly.

With no more DADT this is going to happen a lot.


28 posted on 04/12/2012 4:50:02 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: soycd
I wonder if this is yet another “Base” where only the bad guys get to be armed?

Nope. In fact many people around the base are armed as well. It's not Disneyworld up there.

I recently caught that show on the Weather Channel about the Coast Guard - they showed them picking up some hunters who had gotten in trouble, and they allowed the hunters to bring their rifles on board the Coast Guard helicopter. It didn't seem to bother the Coasties, but then again, there were several references in another show to the Coasties being hunters and fishermen as well.
29 posted on 04/12/2012 5:00:19 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Anoreth
It’s odd because a “communications facility” is usually a secure building.

Given the location and that it was Coast Guard, I'm guessing it's where they handle calls from ships/people in distress, which is not exactly national security. They do a helluva lot of rescues up in that region.

Now if it had been an Air Force "communications facility", that's a completely different story...
30 posted on 04/12/2012 5:01:56 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Anoreth

I should add, that had it been an Air Force “communications facility”, we probably would not have heard it referred to as that, it probably would have been referred to as just a building on a base.


31 posted on 04/12/2012 5:02:52 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
Source: USA Today
The victims were found at their work areas inside the Kodiak Island station early Thursday by another Coast Guard member, spokeswoman Sara Francis said.

While the roughly 60 enlisted personnel and civilians working at the station had been accounted for, Francis said, officials believe a third person was involved in the shooting.


32 posted on 04/12/2012 5:06:59 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: af_vet_rr

It would still be secured, because of the nature of the equipment inside. Even the radio room on a CG cutter is a secure space.


33 posted on 04/12/2012 5:36:41 PM PDT by Anoreth (It's not stupid, it's advanced!)
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To: Anoreth
It would still be secured, because of the nature of the equipment inside. Even the radio room on a CG cutter is a secure space.

True, but I was just thinking in terms of it not being some kind of super-secret facility for listening in on the Russians.
34 posted on 04/12/2012 5:58:11 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Anoreth
I got off the phone an hour ago after talking with wifes son who lives in Kodiak. He is ok, knows one of the victims who was an adjunct professor at the college there. The lockdown has been lifted and the word on the street is that LEOs caught the doer at the airport. Also, that it may have been about someones dog biting someones child. Must be an extra long winter there. It is odd where it happened. That is a
‘secure’ area, as are most communications shops.
TWB
35 posted on 04/12/2012 6:00:37 PM PDT by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: Happy Rain
Ask any cop and they will tell you that lovers quarrels between homosexuals are the most nasty violent and deadly.

With no more DADT this is going to happen a lot.


Since you speak with such authority, are we to believe that you are familiar with the homosexual community on Kodiak Island? Otherwise, do you have proof that we are not privy to?
36 posted on 04/12/2012 6:03:11 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
Nobody knows all the particulars yet, so I'm presenting a theory like everyone else—are you offended?

Tough.

37 posted on 04/12/2012 6:39:14 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("ONE TERM MITT__SARAH 2016")
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To: nuconvert
Coast Guard Says Kodiak Shootings Were Double Homicide

Prayers for those involved.

38 posted on 04/12/2012 6:50:12 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Tax-chick

I’m gonna agree....:o)


39 posted on 04/12/2012 6:55:06 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Happy Rain
Nobody knows all the particulars yet, so I'm presenting a theory like everyone else—are you offended? Tough.

Not offended. The last murder involving Coast Guard personnel was actually a lover's quarrel, course it was one guy sleeping with another guy's wife. I just wasn't sure if you were somebody looking to take potshots at the military like some do - that doesn't seem to be the case though.
40 posted on 04/12/2012 8:13:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Daffynition

What a shame.


41 posted on 04/12/2012 11:20:07 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: af_vet_rr
one guy sleeping with another guy's wife

That is a very real thing. A guy in the radio room was showing off naked pictures of his new girl friend. It turned out to be the other guy's wife.

It did (does) happen.

Man I have had wives all but rip my pants off. The most memorable one was the lactating wife. The most beautiful woman in the whole world, My God she was pretty to me, who asked me if I wanted go to her home and watch her pump her breasts. And she was dead serious. She said, but I'll have to take a shower first.

It took three hernias and groin pull for me to say no. But, I did. One of the hardest things I have ever done in my life. I still think about it and kind of regret saying no, but stories like this, tend to keep me straight.

This is exactly what I was thinking about when I said no.

42 posted on 04/13/2012 12:02:31 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Tax-chick

How does Clive Cussler compare with Clancy? I used to read Clancy a lot—but I ran out of unread novels by him about the time my kids began showing up.


43 posted on 04/13/2012 6:39:14 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Hieronymus

Less military and techno-detail, and a less turgid writer than Clancy. Cussler novels zip right along. Also, I like the characters better. Try the “Oregon” series, those are my favorites.


44 posted on 04/13/2012 6:58:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: af_vet_rr
I should add, that had it been an Air Force “communications facility”, we probably would not have heard it referred to as that, it probably would have been referred to as just a building on a base.

At McGuire AFB in New Jersey a military retiree flipped out and killed someone at the communications building. He was taken out by security forces. Seems he made numerous complaints to the base that the radiation from the facility was driving him crazy.

45 posted on 04/13/2012 10:23:50 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Tax-chick; Hieronymus

I like thrillers by the author Douglas Boyd. He wrote “The Fiddler and the Ferret”, and other good ones. He is not as well known as he should be, but his books are good stuff. Very good background about the intelligence agencies and how they work.


46 posted on 04/13/2012 5:33:07 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: Delta 21
Very mysterious.

From an article in the Kansas City Star:

People coming on base - including known cab drivers bringing people there - have to show photo identification to guards to gain access. Visitors are usually provided escorts while on base.

The lack of information about what happened was making residents jumpy, said Cavender, whose bar is popular with fishermen. Many were on the verge of arming themselves.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/04/13/3552762/police-tight-lipped-on-alaska.html#storylink=cpy

47 posted on 04/13/2012 5:35:21 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: nuconvert

How closely does this incident coincide with the North Korean’s so-called satellite launch?


48 posted on 04/13/2012 5:46:45 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Hmmmmm .... That is an interesting question.


49 posted on 04/13/2012 5:57:55 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll check the library.


50 posted on 04/13/2012 6:40:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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