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See the Liar Romney Defend the Mandate BEFORE Obama was even Elected!
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Posted on 04/12/2012 6:06:25 PM PDT by publius321

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101 posted on 04/14/2012 5:01:41 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: muir_redwoods
In my analogy I preferred a tainted MRE to the hyena crap, so that will be my choice.

What you are trying to do is tell us there is a difference between a pro-abortion, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage, socialist from Massachusetts with an (R) next to his name and a pro-abortion, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage, socialist from Chicago with a (D) next to his name.

I’m beginning to think a lot of simple things need to be explained to you often.

I'm beginning to think that you can't defend Romney without resorting to personal attacks.

Over the last 24 years, the GOP has done one of two things with its string of Big Government RINOs: Expand the size and power of the government, or lose to Democrats, or both. Romney will stretch that streak out to 28 years if he gets the nomination. Someday you'll wake up to the fact that the GOP is abusing people like you, because people like you enable the GOP establishment to continue pushing these Big Government RINOs our way.
102 posted on 04/14/2012 7:24:06 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr; muir_redwoods
Expand the size and power of the government, or lose to Democrats, or both.

Technically that's three things, but in Romney's instance, he'll lose. He's just too damn liberal and can only win when he outspends his opponents. Obama will destroy him with Romney's own record and will easily outspend him.
103 posted on 04/14/2012 7:30:21 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Okay, I’ll try to use as few big words as possible. The choice is between one of the worst candidates to run for president and the reelection of THE worst president ever. It’s not a pleasant choice but it is an easy choice.

Why do you find this so difficult to understand? You have no other realistic choice, only the Kenyan or Romney is going to be president, no one else. If you believe that a third person has any chance of election this time you are delusional.


104 posted on 04/14/2012 7:33:58 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
Okay, I’ll try to use as few big words as possible.

Once again, in your defense of Romney, you resort to personal attacks. How trite.

You have no other realistic choice, only the Kenyan or Romney is going to be president, no one else. If you believe that a third person has any chance of election this time you are delusional.

I don't believe a third person has a chance, but I do believe that if people like you keep supporting RINOs like Romney, then you are going to continue a trend that has remained unbroken since 1988 - the GOP nominating liberals with an (R) next to their names.

People like you will enable Romney in 2012, and in 2016, you'll enable somebody just as liberal, or more liberal, than Romney in the name of defeating the Democrat, and in 2020, it'll be somebody with an (R) next to their name that makes Bill Clinton look like a libertarian, but you'll still be telling us that they are better than a Democrat.

Romney and Obama want to take us down the road to socialism. By defending Romney publicly, you are advocating that we accept going down that road. I don't believe we shoudl continue down that road.

My grandkids are a few elections away from being able to vote for a President, but I know that if we don't stop supporting liberals like Romney with an (R) next to their name, by the time they get the right to vote, the Republicans of of 2020 or 2024 will resemble the Democrats of 2012.
105 posted on 04/14/2012 9:04:08 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: muir_redwoods
The choice is between one of the worst candidates to run for president and the reelection of THE worst president ever. It’s not a pleasant choice but it is an easy choice.

How many chickens did you get?

The ones that ain't hatched yet...

106 posted on 04/14/2012 9:32:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

What?? Does that make any sense? Chickens hatching are a reference to unsupported hopeful anticipation. My description of the awful choice facing us is not hopeful anticipation by any means. Is there a grown up there where you’re writing this?


107 posted on 04/15/2012 3:23:17 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: af_vet_rr

My assessment of your ability to understand things is based upon your constant references to my “support” of Romney, a man who I have just as consistently described as awful and one of the worst candidates to ever run for president; some support. You don’t deal with the main issue that he is the only reasonable choice at this point preferring to take sone self-congratulatory “ principled” stance that will surely put the Kenyan back in office for four more years during which the certain destruction of the Republic will be finalized.

What you see as personal attacks are reason responses to your personal behavior. As ive said repeatedly, do not see a good man running in this race. Gingrich us a worthless philanderer, Santorum is a big government phony who knows that the people who know him best in Pennsylvania would not support him in the primary. Ron Paul has a childish foreign policy that will get us all killed and the Kenyan is anathema to freedom and the character of our founding in countless ways. Romney is the only other choice. If pains me to say that. How this country has sunk that that’s the choice we have come too but it is in front of us. I’m dealing with reality and as you have articulated your view, reality doesn’t include your approach. Vote as you will; I’m voting to save what shreds of the Republic remain.


108 posted on 04/15/2012 3:39:59 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
"The Egyptians you see today, you will never see again.
The Lord will fight for you--you need only to be still." Exodus 14:13-14
109 posted on 04/15/2012 4:31:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: muir_redwoods
You don’t deal with the main issue that he is the only reasonable choice at this point ...


Gingrich us a worthless philanderer...


And you are a gracious and kind FR poster; whose sins (past, present or future) in no way detract from his ability to make judgemental calls on others.

We bow to your superior brainpower and reasoning qualities, that we lesser mortals can only wish pray we had!

110 posted on 04/15/2012 4:35:55 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: muir_redwoods
Vote as you will; I’m voting to save what shreds of the Republic remain.

Those are THREADS by which the Constitution hangs...

111 posted on 04/15/2012 4:37:10 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I’m not running for president invoking the “sacred honor” of the Founders while serially cheating on wives and being hopelessly unable to honor my marriage vows. Gingrich says “ honor” as if it meant something to him; clearly that is not the case.


112 posted on 04/15/2012 4:54:09 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
You don’t deal with the main issue that he is the only reasonable choice at this point preferring to take sone self-congratulatory “ principled” stance that will surely put the Kenyan back in office for four more years during which the certain destruction of the Republic will be finalized.

You complain about Obama wanting to destroy this nation, and yet you pin your hopes on Romney as the "only reasonable choice" while ignoring the fact that RINOs like Romney intend to destroy this country as well. Interesting logic.

Romney is not going to beat Obama. If John McCain and Sarah Palin couldn't do it, somebody who is even more liberal than John McCain (and that's saying a lot!) and who has a lot more baggage (also saying a lot!) and who won't have the money and support that Obama does, is not going to be able to either. It's not as if in 2008 we didn't know what kind of person Obama was, or how he intended to govern (rule) either.

If we don't stop signing off on liberals getting the Republican nomination, we as a nation and as a party will be finished just as surely as if we were voting for Democrats. If Romney gets the nomination now, I dread to think how liberal the Republican nominee will be in 2016.

There's the elephant in the room that is being ignored as well - Republicans will have to win future elections without Texas' electoral votes, and possibly without some other states that have been reliably GOP for the past 20 years or so. By 2020, if not before, Texas will be a Democrat state once again - Texas is already a minority-majority state, has been for several years, and Hispanics will be the largest group by 2020, if not before, and the Democrats have been heavily courting them. Hell, in 2008 in Texas, more people voted for Obama or didn't care if he won and stayed home, than voted for McCain, and 5 out of the 6 largest cities voted for Obama (and Fort Worth nearly made it 6 for 6).

If we don't retake the GOP in 2012, the GOP that exists in 2020 will be powerless or will not be recognizable to us.
113 posted on 04/15/2012 10:27:45 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Since you have such skills for prediction try this. If the Kenyan is reelected there won’t be an election in 2016. Vote this time accordingly.


114 posted on 04/15/2012 2:39:19 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
Since you have such skills for prediction try this. If the Kenyan is reelected there won’t be an election in 2016. Vote this time accordingly.

Again, another weak argument for defending Romney. People were saying the same thing in 2008, that if we don't bend over for John McCain, there would be no 2012 elections. Kind of hard for him to suspend elections without the backing of Congress, the Supreme Court, or the military. Hell, he can't even get his grand healthcare scheme pushed through. His party lost a lot of it's power in 2010, and they stand to lose even more power in 2012.

In 2008, the Republican establishment gave us John McCain and he lost. What is the Republican establishment trying to do in 2012? Give us an even more liberal RINO. They are just spitting in the faces of Conservatives by chasing after so-called moderates (liberals in disguise) and Democrats with Romney. I'm half expecting them to ask Bill or Hillary to run in 2016.
115 posted on 04/15/2012 3:41:09 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

So to sum up, who are you voting for? You’ve been spouting a lot. Since in your view Romney can’t win, it seems to me you’ve accepted that the Kenyan is going to win. That, again according to you pronouncements, should deliver the message to the GOP that RINOs can’t win.

Is that your plan? Really?


116 posted on 04/15/2012 5:27:50 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
So to sum up, who are you voting for? You’ve been spouting a lot. Since in your view Romney can’t win, it seems to me you’ve accepted that the Kenyan is going to win.

I'll vote for a conservative candidate. If none are available out of the parties on the ballot, then I'll write in someone.

That, again according to you pronouncements, should deliver the message to the GOP that RINOs can’t win.

The problem is that they have won with Big Government RINOs in recent history - 1988, 2000, and 2004. They may have lost in 2008, and they watched the Tea Party rise up in 2010, but they aren't panicking just yet since plenty of RINOs are going unchallenged in 2012.

In 2008, they lost to B. Hussein Obama with a Big Government RINO. They aren't worried about Conservatives, at least not yet, because their response to losing to Obama was to find an even more liberal candidate to support.

That sums up how they feel about Conservatives - rather than try and rally Conservatives and take advantage of the enthusiasm generated by the Tea Party, they give us a pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, pro-gun control New England liberal. They are spitting in our faces.

And if we manage to keep Romney from getting the nomination, you can bet they'll just try again in 2016 with another liberal.
117 posted on 04/15/2012 7:29:07 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

The realpolitik is that Romney has the nomination.


118 posted on 04/16/2012 3:38:19 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
The realpolitik is that Romney has the nomination.

But is it really practical to write off Conservatives and chase after the moderates and leftists? Yes, they got away with chasing after moderates with the Bushes, Dole, and McCain, but things have changed, and Conservatives are waking up.

I know he's got less than 30% of all of the delegates so far, but why do you think their response to 2008 was to find the most liberal candidate they could find short of a Democrat, and support him?

It's easy to say that it's because it's "his turn" or he has the most money - the establishment Republicans favor this - we saw this with the first Bush, with Dole, the second Bush (lot of money behind him, but he did jump in line in front of McCain), and with McCain and now Romney. On some level, they have to know they will lose the Conservative wing of the party if they run a pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-homosexual liberal from New England.
119 posted on 04/16/2012 12:49:59 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

An honest interpretation of the 2012 primary shows that almost all of Yhe republicans, and all of the conservatives either self-destructed or couldn’t get out of the gate. My guy Herman Cain took a few hits from the press and folded up. Bachman and Perry couldn’t win a debate with Marcel Marceau. Ron Paul still sounds like the ambassador from Mars. Santorum is a big spending statist who talks a good game and Gingrich is too fundamentally tainted by his serial infidelity.

The republican field is like the Beatles; the really good ones are gone. It’s not Romney’s fault that no one laid a glove on him. The others are personally responsible for their fate. It sucks


120 posted on 04/16/2012 2:28:47 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: muir_redwoods
My assessment of your ability to understand things is based upon your constant references to my “support” of Romney, a man who I have just as consistently described as awful and one of the worst candidates to ever run for president; some support. You don’t deal with the main issue that he is the only reasonable choice at this point preferring to take sone self-congratulatory “ principled” stance that will surely put the Kenyan back in office for four more years during which the certain destruction of the Republic will be finalized.

What you see as personal attacks are reason responses to your personal behavior. As ive said repeatedly, do not see a good man running in this race. Gingrich us a worthless philanderer, Santorum is a big government phony who knows that the people who know him best in Pennsylvania would not support him in the primary. Ron Paul has a childish foreign policy that will get us all killed and the Kenyan is anathema to freedom and the character of our founding in countless ways. Romney is the only other choice. If pains me to say that. How this country has sunk that that’s the choice we have come too but it is in front of us. I’m dealing with reality and as you have articulated your view, reality doesn’t include your approach. Vote as you will; I’m voting to save what shreds of the Republic remain.

I think that preaching to the anti Romney cult with logic doesn't work real well. They have drunk so much Kool-aide that they are beyond logic.

But for what it's worth you have very good points.

121 posted on 04/17/2012 8:49:51 AM PDT by billva
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To: Jim Robinson
bye

I don't need this one anymore either Jim. I found a new home thanx. - Once-Ler

122 posted on 05/14/2012 5:32:25 PM PDT by John David Stutts (Have a nice day)
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To: mojitojoe

>>I don’t have an issue with anyone who says they will vote for Mittens if he is the only one left standing to overthrow the Commie and his administration<<

Oh my goodness, thank you.

I’m terrified of our future, I detest Romney, but Holy Lord to think of another four years of BO AND what I’m leaving my kids, is just unbearable.

I’ve been called so many names for saying that. FR used to be fun, now after 10 years, I’m called a “bot”.

People need to understand, those of us who detest Obama and his destruction of the USA are not your enemy.


123 posted on 05/16/2012 12:51:08 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom

I know what you mean. I’m not spending much time here. I’m busy trying to expose and vet the Kenyan, I don’t have time to waste here on FR fighting with people that would rather see him win than Romney.

I’m exposing him elsewhere.


124 posted on 05/16/2012 1:42:56 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: dsthompson

I, for one, will be extremely pissed off if Obama is reelected because a bunch of whiny poor losers can’t find it within themselves to pull together and focus on the larger goal of dump Obama.
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I feel the same way and I have found that rather than fight here on FR with people that are fine with the Kenyan because they hate Romney more, my time is better spent exposing him on other websites.


125 posted on 05/16/2012 1:45:47 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: publius321

You think o bama is better?


126 posted on 05/16/2012 1:46:52 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: billys kid

These Romney haters need to come right out and admit they have been Obama lovers all along.
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Yep!


127 posted on 05/16/2012 1:48:40 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Whoa... I hope I don’t get the zot for agreeing with them. You know I was never a fan of Romney, not now not ever. However, if he is the only one left standing I will vote for him.

I’ve been trying not to post here much for fear of saying the wrong thing, then I sign in and comment on freepers that got zotted. :(


128 posted on 05/16/2012 1:51:52 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Once-Ler

:) good post


129 posted on 05/16/2012 1:53:02 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: publius321

Meh. The _resident must be defeated, end of story.


130 posted on 05/16/2012 1:53:12 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: presently no screen name

I DID vote for Newt and I still have some hope that something will happen and he will be the nominee. However if he isn’t, it’s ABO for me. Sorry.


131 posted on 05/16/2012 1:58:05 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Not hardly


132 posted on 05/16/2012 2:04:32 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: TheOldLady

Keep in mind, so are the Obot. The obots are posing as Mitt haters.


133 posted on 05/16/2012 2:05:42 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: TheOldLady

Keep in mind, so are the Obots. The obots are posing as Mitt haters.


134 posted on 05/16/2012 2:05:50 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe

You’re posting on an old thread to people who have been **zotted**.


135 posted on 05/16/2012 2:09:57 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: mojitojoe
I DID vote for Newt ..I still have some hope that something will happen and he will be the nominee

There there is nothing to be sorry for then - you did all you could and I, too, have hope that something will happen.

However, hoping for one thing while planning to do another counteracts 'hope'. Having plan B in your pocket is really showing a lack of faith in your hope. God is the God of the impossible and He only moves by faith - and having Plan B if HE doesn't move shows belief in your hopw and not HIM.

In other words, is there 'any' reason one would renege on their beliefs? If there is, how strong is it if it is filled with unbelief! People have been/are killed because of their faith - and us? We aren't there yet but it does show how easily some are willing to give it up through fear. How many politicians 'this election' have done so or did they ever have faith - or only as an election tool.

It's impossible for me to go against my beliefs - I know too much and been through too much where HE has shown His faithfulness and no matter what - He will never leave nor forsake me. If the world crumbles, I KNOW I will be safe, maybe not comfortable but I WILL have HIS peace. I KNOW, been through it and He is the same God and as time goes on things will only 'look' more scarier to me - but never to God! It's faith in HIM He honors, not fear of what man can do.

Anyway, that's my rant - people can only do what they are equipped to do and I am well equipped and it has nothing to do with me but HIM alone! Faith without works is dead and I am actively living my faith by believing in HIM and no other! And my supporting and voting for Newt doesn't renege that either - I believe he was winnable/electable and that he was NOT a tool of Mitt, he fought a hard battle against evil/lies and he was the one to keep our nation - one nation under God. Mitt and Barry, hell no!!

136 posted on 05/16/2012 2:54:45 PM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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To: mojitojoe

I respectfully disagree.

While I understand the desire to vote ABO, I can’t vote for Mitt.

He lied so much about so many good conservatives, in not one, but two primaries, and has taken so many conflicting positions in transparent attempts to curry favor, he’s confirmed my worst suspicions about himself.

I’ll probably vote the Constitution Party or the like this time, as will most everyone I know in my little corner of New Mexico.

Shame a loser like Myth was foisted on us, as our state turns on a couple hundred votes.


137 posted on 05/16/2012 3:04:11 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: mojitojoe

Only a bunch of crybaby losers would help Obama’s cause.

These Romney haters need to come right out and admit they have been Obama lovers all along.
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Say it to the owner of this sight you stupid POS!
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8 posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:58:45 PM by billys kid (saying that there are too many children, is like saying that there are too many flowers Mother Tresa)

YOU seem ro be a bit confused. I was responding to iceage who was insulting JR and THE CONSERVATIVE FREEPERS.

UM! That was April 12, 2012.


138 posted on 05/16/2012 4:18:42 PM PDT by billys kid (saying that there are too many children, is like saying that there are too many flowers Mother Tresa)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Shame a loser like Myth was foisted on us
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Yes it is, but he wasn’t shoved on us. He did get the most votes. I’m glad Newt is hanging in there but I will vote ABO and there is NOTHING that can change my mind. o bama is 1000x worse.


139 posted on 05/16/2012 4:20:28 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: presently no screen name

I’m voting ABO. I want him out.


140 posted on 05/16/2012 4:22:06 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe
These Romney haters need to come right out and admit they have been Obama lovers all along.....Yep!

I'm not an obama lover because if I were then voting for Mitt would be no brainer. I hate evil so I hate the evilness that is within each of them!

141 posted on 05/16/2012 4:55:21 PM PDT by presently no screen name (God First!! VAB: Voting Against Both---> Romney and Obama.)
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