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How failed North Korea rocket could lead to a fresh nuclear test
CSMonitor ^ | 04/12/12 | Don Kirk

Posted on 04/12/2012 8:07:09 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

How failed North Korea rocket could lead to a fresh nuclear test

The UN Security Council is likely to rap North Korea for its rocket launch, and a defiant North Korea could respond with a nuclear test – following

By Don Kirk, Correspondent / April 12, 2012

North Korea’s vaunted long-range Unha 3 rocket roared off its launch pad early Friday, broke into several pieces and plunged into the Yellow Sea between South Korea and China slightly more than one minute later, South Korean defense officials said.

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North Korea is also expected to remain defiant while the United Nations Security Council meets Friday to consider how to respond. The Security Council basically has the choice of issuing a statement of “condemnation” of the launch or strengthening sanctions imposed after North Korea test-fired an earlier version of the rocket in April 2009 and then conducted its second underground nuclear test six weeks later.

“North Korea will get angry at the action of the UN, and they will use that as an excuse for another nuclear test,” says Mr. Kim.

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: icbm; nkorea; nucleartest; rocket
NK will do it at 3am in D.C. time.:-)
1 posted on 04/12/2012 8:07:19 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

P!


2 posted on 04/12/2012 8:08:44 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Axis of Evil ping. Thanks TigerLikesRooster. Additional:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2871398/posts


3 posted on 04/12/2012 8:25:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It blowed up real good!"


4 posted on 04/12/2012 8:26:41 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Looks like they haven't solved that first stage problem yet... Or maybe it is something more sinister?

July 2006 they had one fail about 40 seconds after launch. At the time I suspected a structural failure or a motor failure. 40 seconds in was time enough to have burned off a fair amount of fuel (approx 1/3 of first stage burn time). So the vehicle would be significantly lighter. The engines are still pushing with the same thrust, F = ma so acceleration would be increasing and so would stress on the structure. Or it could've simply been a catastrophic failure of a rocket engine, pump, etc.

Then in April of 2009 they tried again. This time apparently (according to news sources) the first and second stages seemed to work ok. Maybe they worked out their problems?

Now they launch again and it fails 81 seconds in. Very similar to the 2006 failure? Near the end of the first stage burn, big thrust, lower mass, high stress on the vehicle. So what's different this time? What could cause more stress on the vehicle...hmmm... Maybe they were pushing against a more massive payload than in 2009? Something more along the lines of the mass of a dummy re-entry vehicle and dummy warhead rather than a simple comm satellite? I'm usually trusting by nature, but I'm suspicious of this.

5 posted on 04/12/2012 8:54:31 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: mylife
Looks like they haven't solved that first stage problem yet... Or maybe it is something more sinister?

July 2006 they had one fail about 40 seconds after launch. At the time I suspected a structural failure or a motor failure. 40 seconds in was time enough to have burned off a fair amount of fuel (approx 1/3 of first stage burn time). So the vehicle would be significantly lighter. The engines are still pushing with the same thrust, F = ma so acceleration would be increasing and so would stress on the structure. Or it could've simply been a catastrophic failure of a rocket engine, pump, etc.

Then in April of 2009 they tried again. This time apparently (according to news sources) the first and second stages seemed to work ok. Maybe they worked out their problems?

Now they launch again and it fails 81 seconds in. Very similar to the 2006 failure? Near the end of the first stage burn, big thrust, lower mass, high stress on the vehicle. So what's different this time? What could cause more stress on the vehicle...hmmm... Maybe they were pushing against a more massive payload than in 2009? Something more along the lines of the mass of a dummy re-entry vehicle and dummy warhead rather than a simple comm satellite? I'm usually trusting by nature, but I'm suspicious of this.

6 posted on 04/12/2012 8:54:58 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Sorry ‘bout the double post. Netscape is acting funky.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 8:56:27 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
So the answer is what, that we build it for them so it won't lead to a fresh nuclear test?

Paging Loral Space... Paging Bernard Schwartz...

-PJ

8 posted on 04/12/2012 8:58:09 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

It was late first stage or early second stage.
Probably first stage.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 8:59:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ThunderSleeps

The initial news report says that first and second stage boosters failed to separate.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 9:04:39 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: ThunderSleeps

IIRC, there is a lot more WWII footage of German V-2 rockets exploding, crashing, or going wild than there is of successful launches.

Do we let the Norks keep trying until they get it right?

Meanwhile, a lot of Nork rocket scientists & all their family members, are hanging by their thumbs tonight.

;^)


11 posted on 04/12/2012 9:06:19 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
North Korea’s vaunted long-range Unha 3 rocket roared off its launch pad early Friday, broke into several pieces and plunged into the Yellow Sea between South Korea and China slightly more than one minute later

Hee Hee Hee. I'm suspecting devious activities

12 posted on 04/12/2012 9:09:42 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; a fool in paradise

Flesh nukereal test?


13 posted on 04/12/2012 9:11:09 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Isn't that called something like "loss of face"?

Isn't it required that Kim Dim Sum now execute all of his top military leaders, scientists and engineers?

14 posted on 04/12/2012 9:30:33 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: ThunderSleeps

Yes, the piece of crap Gwangmyeonsong 3, was not that big, and very light only(would essentially) take up a small part of the Taepodong-2 payload. They would not let international journalists there either inspect or see footage of the satellite (piece of crap if you ask me) toy being place in the payload of the ICBM. One wonders what else was put in there. They could have weighted it down with other stuff significantly in the hopes that one day they can put in a nuclear warhead, so they needed to have the stress tests under such a weight parameter, and simply failed, so back to the drawing board (and execution perhaps for some).


15 posted on 04/12/2012 9:48:52 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Oh, well. SEE YOU IN THE CAMPS. (Hope your forearm tatoo doesnt hurt too much)....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

< whatever “wuh wuh wuh wuh waaaah” is in Korean >


16 posted on 04/13/2012 4:25:53 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

So the North Koreans only the stamina to last for 2 minutes before their missile came slumping down? I’m sure they are embarrassed!


17 posted on 04/13/2012 6:34:23 AM PDT by Marko413
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Meanwhile, chief North Korean Cosmonaut, No-Long-Lif, from his training facility in Hamhung, commended the successful lift-off.


18 posted on 04/13/2012 6:38:39 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

And all the missile scientists will be packed in the tunnel as observers.


19 posted on 04/13/2012 6:42:40 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: TigerLikesRooster

First, Snake River Canyon, then space.

20 posted on 04/13/2012 6:43:58 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The problems is we keep sending millions of tons of food to their starving masses so they don't have to use their resources on feeding their starving masses. If we stop sending the food there would be a revolution end of story.
21 posted on 04/13/2012 6:53:05 AM PDT by kempo
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The problem is we keep sending millions of tons of food to their starving masses so they don't have to use their resources on feeding their starving masses. If we stop sending the food there would be a revolution end of story.
22 posted on 04/13/2012 6:53:50 AM PDT by kempo
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The problem is we keep sending millions of tons of food to their starving masses so they don't have to use their resources on feeding their starving masses. If we stop sending the food there would be a revolution end of story.
23 posted on 04/13/2012 6:53:50 AM PDT by kempo
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Was it not a Friday 13 launch?


24 posted on 04/13/2012 6:57:49 AM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Revolting cat!

The first North Korean astronaut ought to be prepared to kiss him kimchi goodbye...


25 posted on 04/13/2012 9:48:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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