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Are Public Schools, Colleges "graduating" shallow students unable, unwilling to debate ideas?
April 13, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

Posted on 04/13/2012 6:26:07 AM PDT by mitchell001

This year's GOP Presidential Primary and General Election have exposed a serious and dangerous demographic among the voting public, the media pundits, party leaders and graduating students. There appears to be a strong inability and unwillingness to openly and objectively discuss, debate and consider political policy ideas for improvemnet and reform of the government. The 2 most obvious pieces of evidence are the voting public and media's shallow coverage of the Energy, Social Security Big Ideas of a smart candidate like Newt Gingrich in favor of heavy coverage of stay-at-home mom coverage, shallow Romney business background bragging point, etc. The other evidence is the generally glassy-eyed look that many public school and college graduates give when presented with Gingrich's Energy and Social Security ideas. The schools, colleges and media "dumbing down" of America has really taken root in political life (ie. election of Obama in 2008, elevation of Romney in 2012), cultural life (MTV, Jersey Shore lifestyle) and religious life. America.....take back control of your children's education via vouchers and competition among public and private schools, before it is too late.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bloggersandpersonal; colleges; gingrich; romney; schools; vanity

1 posted on 04/13/2012 6:26:16 AM PDT by mitchell001
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To: mitchell001

Yes.

Next question.


2 posted on 04/13/2012 6:27:19 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Does a bear take a bodacious Obama in the woods?

Is Hillary a shrew?


3 posted on 04/13/2012 6:28:31 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: mitchell001

Yes, because if you cross any of the tightly drawn boundaries of political correctness you learn you’ll be pummeled.


4 posted on 04/13/2012 6:29:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: mitchell001

Yes.

Pols want high pass rates. So, kids pass who are lazy, entitled, and ignorant.

Teachers mostly have to choose between doing what’s right and keeping their job.


5 posted on 04/13/2012 6:30:42 AM PDT by Principled
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To: mitchell001
Are Public Schools, Colleges "graduating" shallow students unable, unwilling to debate ideas?

But they can bleat "Obama good, two legs bad!" for hours on end and that's good enough.

6 posted on 04/13/2012 6:31:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: mitchell001

Like...ummm...DUH!


7 posted on 04/13/2012 6:32:08 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: mitchell001

Are Public Schools, Colleges “graduating” shallow students unable, unwilling to debate ideas?
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Is the Pope Catholic? And, I’ll go you one more: I’m a certified teacher in Texas, and most public H.S. Students cannot write their name in cursive. Some School Districts don’t even teach cursive writing anymore. That is the honest, to God’s truth. But then, who cares? It’s a new generation.


8 posted on 04/13/2012 6:46:53 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: mitchell001

Absolutely, Ralph.

When I was still in college just a few years ago, the College Republicans were absolutely crippled by their own stupidity. During the 2008 election, the College Democrats memorized the DNC’s talking points, passed around flyers, and generally made at least a passing attempt at debating conservatives.

The College Republicans (more like College RINOs) refused to do anything of the sort because they thought it might be too “controversial.” They spent all their time sending thank-you cards to soldiers, which isn’t a bad idea, but not to the exclusion of everything else.

I broke off from the group and did what I could win over votes, becoming one of the most hated conservatives on campus in the process.


9 posted on 04/13/2012 6:49:24 AM PDT by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: mitchell001

Given the structure and ideology of public ed/colleges I thought that was the intended outcome. After all 99.9% of whats taught is narrow liberal bias. Why would you expect something other than that as output?


10 posted on 04/13/2012 6:54:19 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: mitchell001

“Shallow students unwilling or unable to debate ideas”

Hmm, sounds like obama (private school product) and his Ivy league cronies and supporters in govt, MEDia and industry who are running this country (into the ground)

Anyone care to debate ideas with our Columbia/Harvard grad Potus and his Princeton/Harvard first lady?


11 posted on 04/13/2012 6:59:56 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Da Coyote
Does a bear take a bodacious Obama in the woods?


12 posted on 04/13/2012 7:01:24 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: mitchell001
Hey, Ralph. "Ya think?"
13 posted on 04/13/2012 7:21:18 AM PDT by Prospero
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To: mitchell001

This is the result of prickly Union staffed institutions where thinking your own mind and saying it is dangerous for a kid. The whole point of political correctness is to dictate student’s point of view on society, environmental science, politics and history and to limit their knowledge to that which supports the politically correct point of veiw. It is to brainwash then and shape their idenity.

The point of views dictated are boring and stupid and the opposite of the student’s own feelings and observations. So the student must disconnect from himself or hide himself by refusing to speak about what he experiences, observes and thinks. These subjects forbidden of thought and voice are made central to American life in schools, most entertainment and politics.

Currently political correctness is pushed on students in the areas of American history, political parties and candidates, diversity race hate doctrines, heterosexual interactions/feminist slutishness, homosexual doctrines, global warming...anything that is not hard basic science and math. The whole process is mental and psychological bullying to some extent or the other.

Then, you also have armed cops on many campuses and the pc pimps are not afarid to use them should you step outside the box and draw soldiers in battle with guns or get fingered by a feminist or diversity bully in another way - like saying something “raaaacis”, uncle tomish or hate/reject homosexual mental and/or physical interaction with you (disagree with any slogan of liberalism). A student must not be morally intellegent expressing good from evil unless evil is named disagreeing with politically correct doctrines. You are told racism and intolerance is the worst sin in the world while you are in school often victimized by liberal intolerance and diversity racism.

This is why we see young people acting in herds of group think and easily manipulated in dog wistle situations conjured by liberals for manipulation and power - like the Trayvon situation, the hate Bush mobs and the erection, I mean election, of the fake messiah - Dear Reader.

Having your own mind requires practice in analysis which involves the collection of facts, pointS of views and your observations and experience. It requires the power to decide for yourself what is right and wrong and the safety in expressing the truth for yourself based on that information.

If we wanted to restore our education system we would have to get rid of socialist studies, social engineering, and moral relativity because it is purely radical activism and forbids normal mental and personality development and social interaction.


14 posted on 04/13/2012 7:21:18 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: mitchell001

Welcome to the world of zero dimentional speeches and “arguments” done by liberal colleges.

Say one crazy thing and stick to it, it helps the fascist cause in its usage of TV propaganda, marching orders and conformism.

We are surrounded by insane idiots.


15 posted on 04/13/2012 7:26:14 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: mitchell001

They are graduating America’s next generation of EBT patrons and for those too stupid to sign up for EBT, a Mickey D’s career where they only need be able to say “Do you want fries with that?” [Mucho mucho competition here with our illegal brothers and sisters from the southern hinterlands, here]


16 posted on 04/13/2012 7:29:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: no dems

Because we also need ditch diggers and people who take our orders at the fast food resto’.


17 posted on 04/13/2012 7:37:31 AM PDT by max americana
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To: mitchell001

Yes, absolutely.

This from someone who has been inside the belly of the beast as a public school teacher.


18 posted on 04/13/2012 7:47:57 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Precisely, PC has muted spirited discussion. That’s exactly what the Socialist/Communists want. “Hate speech” legislation will be coming soon. Probably to be followed by “hate thought”.


19 posted on 04/13/2012 7:48:56 AM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: mitchell001
Or, is fire hot? Is grass green? Is water wet? Is Obama trying to destroy the country? YES!!

Next question: Who will rid us of this meddlesome Marxist and his entourage?

20 posted on 04/13/2012 8:24:05 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: mitchell001
shallow students unable, unwilling to debate ideas . . ..

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"you know: morons."

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21 posted on 04/13/2012 8:28:43 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I tried to buy a hoodie today but the store manager said they had all been shoplifted.)
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To: mitchell001
As a retired high school teacher my answer is an unqualified -"YES".

If you get in a discussion of facts with these nimrods their response is dogma and/or ridicule, just like obummer.

22 posted on 04/13/2012 8:34:06 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: mitchell001

Yes, of course. Where have you been? It was already like that 15 years ago when I was in school. In the few instances where you were encouraged to debate ideas, there were usually only 2 acceptable positions: the liberal one, and the ultraliberal one. I imagine nowadays the only 2 acceptable positions are the progressive and the communist.


23 posted on 04/13/2012 12:02:39 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: mitchell001
Are Public Schools, Colleges "graduating" shallow students unable, unwilling to debate ideas?

Well, duh! Newly graduated liberals can't be open to debate because:

1) Liberal dogma is so obviously true, who would even want to debate for the other side?

2) They can't be taught to be open minded because how then do you indoctrinate them in liberal groupthink? Same applies to the teaching methods themselves. If you want to come to a conclusion in line with liberal dogma, you obviously can't take an honest walk through the issue, you have to propogandize and call it a day. Propagandizing, while the results it produces can be brittle, can't produce open minded people.

24 posted on 04/15/2012 6:44:30 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: mitchell001

Hmmm. Lets see. Go against the flow on any of a large number of subjects in high school or college and watch your GPA and/or social status plummet.
OR shut up, keep your head down and do what work is required and you’ll graduate.

Not a hard choice for most boys, I suspect.


25 posted on 04/15/2012 6:51:22 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: mitchell001
There appears to be a strong inability and unwillingness to openly and objectively discuss, debate and consider political policy ideas for improvemnet and reform of the government.

They will feel at home on FR where group thinking is allowed and independent thinkers are banned.

26 posted on 04/15/2012 6:59:09 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: KarlInOhio
mmmmm...mmmmm....mmmmm!
27 posted on 04/15/2012 7:08:46 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: SaraJohnson
This is the result of prickly Union staffed institutions where thinking your own mind and saying it is dangerous for a kid. The whole point of political correctness is to dictate student’s point of view on society, environmental science, politics and history and to limit their knowledge to that which supports the politically correct point of veiw.

But the danger (or them) in doing that is that all it will do is build resolve to be good at parroting bullshit, only to screw every liberal you ever meet in some anonymous way, for their having had the audacity to attempt that.

28 posted on 04/15/2012 7:22:40 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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