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New York needs a microstamping law to combat gun violence
NY Daily News ^ | april 13, 2012

Posted on 04/13/2012 9:37:13 AM PDT by lowbridge

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To: Cyber Liberty
Am I correct to assume polishing the firing pin would be illegal?

In order to make this law work, they'd have to force manufacturers to build guns that make access to the firing pin difficult or impossible. That would require a redesign of almost all existing semiauto guns, and may actually be impossible in many designs. They would also have to have some sort of tamper indicator system. Obviously, this law would be rough on gunsmiths, but I don't think they care.

51 posted on 04/13/2012 10:40:23 AM PDT by jboot
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To: lowbridge

Remington Arms has a factory at Ilion, NY. And, Bushmaster has moved much of it’s production there.

Imagine your a New York City liberal with your nose permanently high in the air and you discover whats left of manufacturing in upstate New York is notably guns. They intend to drive this unsubsidized industry out of the state. It will be replaced with some giant subsidy for some folly that will be gone in a decade, like nano chips and Global Foundries (1.4 billion in subsidies and climbing).


52 posted on 04/13/2012 10:56:52 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: Fresh Wind
This would be better...
53 posted on 04/13/2012 10:59:01 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: lowbridge
If microstamping were in force, shell casings found at crime scenes would become calling cards —easily traced back to the gun that shot them and, therefore, to its registered owner.

And of course, ALL criminals who use a semi-automatic are licensed gun owners and acquired their piece from a licensed dealer and registered it appropriately via Form 4473.

And of course the firing pin has never been replaced.

Morons.

54 posted on 04/13/2012 11:00:57 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: Puppage
My new HK45 had a spend cartridge in the box when I brought her home.

Many manufacturer's include a spent cartridge case with a new firearm. It is simply to show the weapon has been test fired at the factory before delivery. There is no identifying marking on the firing pin.

55 posted on 04/13/2012 11:02:57 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Yes, that would leave a big zero on the forehead. Very appropriate!


56 posted on 04/13/2012 11:05:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: lowbridge
New York must require microstamping of all semiautomatic handguns —the criminals’ weapon of choice —that are made or sold in the state. Manufacturers would etch a number on each gun’s firing pin, which would stamp that number onto the shell casing when the weapon is fired.

STUPID.

I can buy extra firing pins for ANY rifle or pistol I own.

New York can kiss my unstamped firing pin.

57 posted on 04/13/2012 11:05:47 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: lowbridge

And I just know the thugs will line up to have their EXISTING guns “microstamped”. /s


58 posted on 04/13/2012 11:07:29 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: lowbridge

Current production Bushmaster AR-15 lowers are stamped as produced in “Ilion, NY”.

You know, these are the scary black guns rarely if ever used in crime, but these might be used in a crime. New York City leberals sustain themselves on the narrative that all gun problems are caused by car trunk sales from buck toothed locals in South Carolina or southward. They can’t have guns stamped “Ilion, NY”...it screws up the narrative.


59 posted on 04/13/2012 11:07:48 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: lowbridge

New York would be better off if they allowed citizens to own guns. Now the only folks armed are criminals...


60 posted on 04/13/2012 11:08:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Though Bloomberg himself could use an ear tag.

I'd be far happier if he was wearing a toe tag.

61 posted on 04/13/2012 11:15:57 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: TexasRedeye
What, exactly, is a "hunting" rifle in these idiots minds?

In these idiots' minds?

It would be "Ya know...one of those big brown ones that has that scopey thingy on top and makes a really loud bang noise."

62 posted on 04/13/2012 11:21:17 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: lowbridge
Up against these common-sense arguments, the gun nuts have gone ballistic in Albany.

Moron! First of all, the arguments for such a registry are far from common-sense, as they can be defeated and/or gamed easily, to wit:

1) Use a revolver and leave no brass.

2) Use a sawed-off shotgun and leave no brass (and also have a far more lethal weapon).

3) Grind down the firing pin.

4) Replace the firing pin.

5) Pick up brass from somewhere else and drop it at the crime scene - this would at a minimum make for much more work for the police, even if they "got their man." Worse yet would be to implicate others. The crown jewel would be to use the same model of handgun used by police in the local jurisdiction, and get your throw-down brass from a range that the police practice at. Oh, would there be fun and games then!

As anyone with any sense knows, criminals will simply not obey this law. It is a simple attack on law-abiding gun owners, in this case by making it more expensive to buy guns (you don't think that the manufacturers will do the machining and keep a database for free, do you?). Plus, it further ingrains the concept of the government dictating what we can and can't buy.

63 posted on 04/13/2012 11:22:00 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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6) Aren’t there small accessories that resemble a mesh bag that attaches to a semi-auto pistol’s slide to catch the brass as it ejects?


64 posted on 04/13/2012 11:30:01 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Aren’t there small accessories that resemble a mesh bag that attaches to a semi-auto pistol’s slide to catch the brass as it ejects?

Yes. Back in the early 1980's I bought one for my Colt 1911s. You replace the right side grip with a plastic one that has a connector for the catcher.

It worked quite well but played hell with my sight line until I got used to seeing it in my field of view.

65 posted on 04/13/2012 11:42:03 AM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: lowbridge
why should a law-abiding handgun owner care if his or her shell casings bear an identifying mark?

What happens when My gun gets stolen?
What happens if my ammo gets stolen?
What happens next gun owners get tattooed ?

66 posted on 04/13/2012 11:50:30 AM PDT by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: Ancesthntr

7} With $600 invested in a very simple mechinists lathe, vertually anyone could crank out firing pins in a garage for a few dollars a piece in material.


67 posted on 04/13/2012 11:55:48 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: lowbridge
Meanwhile, microstamping would give a powerful tool to police —who regularly discover shell casings that traditional ballistic fingerprinting can’t trace.

IIRC, NY just repealed the ~10-year-old law which required documenting (by active firing) the ballistic fingerprint of every handgun sold in the state. This is, for all practical purposes, indistinguishable from microstamping ... and it didn't work, wasting the state & its citizens tens of millions of dollars, resulting in ZERO cases solved/facilitated by such documentation.

NY: been there, done that, didn't work, don't go there again.

68 posted on 04/13/2012 12:01:55 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Gene Eric; lowbridge; Travis McGee; Joe Brower; El Gato; wardaddy; Squantos
Thanks for the ping, Gene Eric, although it was unnecessary because lowbridge, unlike many knuckleheads in this forum, knows how to use the editorial sidebar. Now I don't always scan the sidebars, so I appreciate the thought, Gene Eric. I'm not obsessive compulsive enough to scan all the sidebars. I just glance at them occassionaly.

My only minor quibbles are that the article should have had a barf alert and that this masthead editorial had been more correctly identified as a meathead editorial.

Meanwhile, microstamping would give a powerful tool to police —who regularly discover shell casings that traditional ballistic fingerprinting can’t trace.

Has traditional ballistic fingerprinting solved any crimes anywhere? IIRC, only NY and Maryland tried this boondoggle, and maybe a couple of crimes were solved for God knows how many millons.

69 posted on 04/13/2012 12:05:48 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: lowbridge

New York needs an enema.


70 posted on 04/13/2012 12:06:36 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: lowbridge
Gungrabbing Yankee leftwingers need to be MACROstamped....with one of these:
71 posted on 04/13/2012 12:33:25 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: OldMissileer
It worked quite well but played hell with my sight line until I got used to seeing it in my field of view.

But for someone using the piece to commit murder or armed robbery, if not too bulky or 'kludgey', the catcher would serve better than hunting around for brass.

72 posted on 04/13/2012 12:36:34 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: lowbridge

I thought the governor just nixed this last week as too expensive to in bookkeeping and administration costs.


73 posted on 04/13/2012 12:40:48 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: lowbridge
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74 posted on 04/13/2012 12:53:35 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
if not too bulky or 'kludgey', the catcher would serve better than hunting around for brass.

It was actually quite bulky. It consisted of a fist-sized egg shaped hollow plastic piece with a hole toward the ejection port. It clipped to the grip and sat about one inch from the slide. The mesh bag was attached to the bottom and caught the brass after it was ejected into the plastic "egg."

If I could find it in the basement with my other firearms relic pieces I would get a photo for you but it would takes me an hour or so. I work tonight so I could do it and post the thing tomorrow if you would like.

75 posted on 04/13/2012 1:16:06 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Puppage

I have have lots of firearms that come with a spent shell.
It is to demonstrate that the gun was test fired.
Sometimes the target is provided as well and each are signed by Quality Control.


76 posted on 04/13/2012 3:43:45 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
I did not work in Chicago

The Illinois Enema Bandit

77 posted on 04/13/2012 3:54:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: lowbridge

must?

must adopt?


78 posted on 04/13/2012 3:57:35 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Molon Labbie

imagine how valuble police expended shells will be.

drop a few at a crime scene or eve a generic call and scream “police brutality” here are the cases. Paging attorney Ambu Lance Chaser, Esq.


79 posted on 04/13/2012 4:17:51 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mylife

LOL!


80 posted on 04/13/2012 4:21:35 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: lowbridge

You mean their super tough gun regulations haven’t worked!
I think it’s time The City of New York complied with the second amendment.


81 posted on 04/13/2012 8:15:25 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: lowbridge

This is just another attempt by the leftist aka progressive gun haters to ban guns.


82 posted on 04/14/2012 11:59:07 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: OldMissileer

Nah...not necessary. I have a good idea of what it looks like. I’ve seen others and wouldn’t use one myself. Unless I had some reason to...like avoiding detection or eventual capture. Hypothetically speaking of course.


83 posted on 04/15/2012 8:04:03 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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