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Unsolved Mysteries: Why Were Conservatives So Enamored of Rick Santorum?
Forbes ^ | 04/12/2012 | John Tamny

Posted on 04/13/2012 10:18:18 AM PDT by Josh Painter

Rick Santorum dropped out of the race for the Republican presidential nomination on Tuesday. Almost to a column, editorial and news account, the analysis centered on Santorum’s somewhat successful capture of conservative voters.

And there lies the mystery. How could a man seemingly so opposite of conservative have entranced so many voters who label themselves just that?

The easy answer is that as someone who made his religion such a prominent part of his campaign strategy... religious types who tend toward conservatism perhaps felt they’d found their man.

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Indeed, if we ignore for a moment how very anti-conservative it is for any candidate to coddle certain commercial sectors, the simple truth is that to the extent that manufacturing jobs were ever glorious (a big reach on its own considering the proud history of sons and daughters of factory workers moving away from manufacturing locales), the very investors whose capital creates those jobs feel it’s yesterday’s news. That investors no longer value factory work explains why they migrated to China, and why a rising China has begun to similarly shed those jobs. For Santorum to then say he’ll bring them back not only smacks of a controlling, central planning gene, but it also speaks to a candidate divorced from reality in the economic sense. If Santorum were to actually succeed in reducing the manufacturing tax rate to zero, this wouldn’t alter the all-important investor perception of work that is no longer valued from a labor-intensive point of view.

Happily Santorum’s candidacy is in the rear-view mirror. Not so happy, however, is what his candidacy said about the beliefs of conservatives. If Santorum was truly their guy, it seems a movement once animated by the sunny, economically advanced dynamism of Ronald Reagan has taken a giant, impoverishing leap backwards.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: anticonservative; classwar; classwarfare; falseconservative; fooledagain; gop; notmanager; notreagan; novision; ricksantorum; santorum; socialconservatives
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1 posted on 04/13/2012 10:18:30 AM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Josh Painter

Because he’s not Mitt Romney.


2 posted on 04/13/2012 10:19:18 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: Josh Painter

ABO and ABR

and... they aren’t considering Newt.


3 posted on 04/13/2012 10:20:52 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Because he’s not Mitt Romney.

That's exactly why.

4 posted on 04/13/2012 10:21:34 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: Josh Painter

Believe me, not all of us were


5 posted on 04/13/2012 10:22:15 AM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: Josh Painter

Because he is about 3 times more conservative than Mitt Romney.


6 posted on 04/13/2012 10:23:01 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Josh Painter

I never understood the appeal of Santorum. He is a big-government social conservative and he’s never managed or governed.


7 posted on 04/13/2012 10:25:18 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Anjd because Romney has never expressed any sympathy for all the workers in manufacturing who lost their jobs, because the policies that enabled him to get rich, also destroyed jobs.


8 posted on 04/13/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Pollster1
That's exactly why.

That and they'd already run through all the other "not Mitt Romneys."

9 posted on 04/13/2012 10:27:43 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bryan24
more conservative than Mitt Romney.

Mitt isn't even a republican but a big govt LIBERAL. So don't say more conservative than. He doesn't belong in the GOP race.

10 posted on 04/13/2012 10:29:18 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Josh Painter

Because anyone who has well defined beliefs and views will attract the attention of others who have well defined beliefs and views over someone who doesn’t hold any convictions. Even if you don’t agree with them on everything.


11 posted on 04/13/2012 10:30:11 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Because he’s not Mitt Romney.

Yep!

I could add another few reasons that I, personally, supported him:

1. He's not a phony (unlike Romney).
2. He is honestly pro-life, and lives his pro-life beliefs, much like Sarah Palin (and unlike Romney).
3. He stands by all his convictions, including the currently unpopular ones (unlike Romney).

A lot of people admired Santorum even though they didn't necessarily agree with all of his public policy positions or personal beliefs. Polls showed that even his position on contraception, which was wildly mis-reported, gained him respect from both men and women.

12 posted on 04/13/2012 10:30:40 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: Josh Painter

In brief, he spoke our language.

Perry was my number one, after that I switched to Newt. But many in my circle of friends loved Santorum, and it’s because what he says resonates with them. He resonated with me, too, but I preferred Newt, just barely.


13 posted on 04/13/2012 10:30:48 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Josh Painter

I wasn’t “so enamored of him”— ever. Given my ABO stance, however, I’d have voted for him.


14 posted on 04/13/2012 10:30:48 AM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! ABO! ABO!)
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To: Josh Painter
Because many of us did not want to support the only other option to Mitt: A man who cheated on two wives before moving onto his third, endorsed Dede Scuzzyfavor, did global warming ads with Pelosi, and called those who wanted to enforce immigration laws on long time illegals "inhumane"...resulting in Jim Rob himself to post FUNG, and FUNG. Many on FR saw Newt as the only way top stop Mitt. Others saw Rick as the only way to stop Mitt. Mitt just sat back and laughed as the conservative vote was divided.
15 posted on 04/13/2012 10:31:25 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: Josh Painter

Santorum wasn’t even close to ready for prime time.

After what he said about Zimmerman he has no business at any level of government.


16 posted on 04/13/2012 10:32:20 AM PDT by DB
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To: BuckeyeTexan

He duped his supporters but they allowed it because they never checked his record - seems they didn’t care.


17 posted on 04/13/2012 10:32:21 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Josh Painter

Santorum was, is, and always will be a joke.

It was all about stopping Romney.


18 posted on 04/13/2012 10:32:30 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Persevero

Perry was my first choice too, I still cant believe how bad he imploded, it’s unbelievable.


19 posted on 04/13/2012 10:34:14 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Josh Painter

>>the simple truth is that to the extent that manufacturing jobs were ever glorious (a big reach on its own

I’m sure the folks at Forbes cannot understand this, but factory jobs are not glorious and no ever said they were. However, they were a way for a high school graduate with a work ethic to make a good living for his family, possibly sending the children to college so they could migrate to the big city and look down their noses at factory workers.

I am so sick of elitist snobbery on both sides of the RepubliCrat parties who worked so hard this election destroying every conservative candidate (and some almost-rans and shoulda-rans) reducing us to the Newt-Santorum-Romney choice.


20 posted on 04/13/2012 10:34:48 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: icwhatudo
Many on FR saw Newt as the only way top stop Mitt. Others saw Rick as the only way to stop Mitt. Mitt just sat back and laughed as the conservative vote was divided.

As happens over and over. Social conservatives will reject any fiscal conservative who is not socially conservative enough for them. Ditto for fiscal conservatives. In the end, both camps cancel each other out and hand victory to the RINO.

21 posted on 04/13/2012 10:36:56 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Perry was my first choice too, I still cant believe how bad he imploded, it’s unbelievable.

Dittl

22 posted on 04/13/2012 10:37:02 AM PDT by billva
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Perry was my first choice too, I still cant believe how bad he imploded, it’s unbelievable.

Ditto

23 posted on 04/13/2012 10:37:25 AM PDT by billva
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To: icwhatudo
>> Mitt: A man who cheated on two wives before moving onto his third, endorsed Dede Scuzzyfavor, did global warming ads with Pelosi, and called those who wanted to enforce immigration laws on long time illegals "inhumane"...resulting in Jim Rob himself to post FUNG, and FUNG. Many on FR saw Newt as the only way top stop Mitt. <<

Agreed. The real question should be, "Why Were FReepers So Enamored of Newt Gingrich?" If you would have said a year ago that FR would be overwhelmingly Newt Country, you would have been laughed off this forum, just like if you had proclaimed Trent Lott would be promoted as the "true conservative" freeper candidate for President in 2012. Both were 90's has-beens that conservatives were fed up with.

I could see people throwing this support behind him in desperation to "stop Romney" when Newt was surging back in December, but when it became clear that Newt couldn't win any state outside S.C. besides his own, people continued to cling to him. Why so many freepers loved a severly flawed, backstabbing, long-past-his-prime egomaniac whose only positive in the campaign was "excellent debater" is beyond me. We're choosing a President, not a Debate Team captain.

24 posted on 04/13/2012 10:38:58 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Bryan24

Hang on: three times zero is STILL zero. . .


25 posted on 04/13/2012 10:40:06 AM PDT by Salgak (The Energizer Border: I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: icwhatudo
You'd dumped both of Newt's wives if you knew the truth. His first one was preying on a student ~ in violation of the law. We'd put her in prison for 16 to 20 years these days. His second wife tried to peddle influence. She was under investigation by the FBI.

As far as Suzzyflubber is concerned, she was just another individual running for Congress under the Republican label. I doubt Newt, or any former Speaker check out new candidates all that closely ~ do you?

He hasn't begged us to take her back BTW.

The language he used to hedge in the illegals was such that only a handful would not be handcuffed and tossed over the Rio. You really have to study the whole litany he delivered on that one first.

Now that's not to defend Newt ~ he can do that himself. On the other hand I get the distinct feeling the MOTIVE behind your litany arises out of a concern that Mitt might yet get tossed.

I have no such concern for Mitt and pray night and day that he'll come to his senses and drop out of the race now!

You cannot legitimately be a Republican or a Conservative and back Mitt Romney.

26 posted on 04/13/2012 10:40:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: billva; TexasFreeper2009
Perry tried to mix back surgery and pain killers. Rush Limbaugh could have told him about some of the risks ~ like you'll come off like you're whacked out some times ~ and sometimes you really will be whacked out.

Kennedy could have told him about the same thing but he totally lost his head.

Rick can come back later once he's fixed his problem.

27 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: icwhatudo
Many on FR saw Newt as the only way top stop Mitt.

HE IS! He is the ONLY true conservative in this race.

Mitt just sat back and laughed as the conservative vote was divided.

Mitt and his professional minions DESIGNED it that way. Remember, he's been at this for years. Now he laughing as some many bought his 'anyone but obama' mantra. Not me! I'd never taint myself.

Mitt's ONLY threat ever is Newt! He knows it, the media and GOP e knows it. They sold their soul knowing mitt is a POS. They will rot as they reap what they sow.

28 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:22 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Josh Painter

ABR.


29 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:55 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: Josh Painter

My guess is because he was the most religious candidate. Not the best candidate. That would be Newt.


30 posted on 04/13/2012 10:45:04 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't go wobbly on me now Newt. You're our only hope.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

“I never understood the appeal of Santorum. He is a big-government social conservative and he’s never managed or governed.”

Social conservative is THE draw for most of his supporters, and many perceive him as a model family man. That was sufficient for them. Not my guy for a handful of reasons, but I could have settled for him.


31 posted on 04/13/2012 10:46:54 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“Perry was my first choice too, I still cant believe how bad he imploded, it’s unbelievable.”

News I read a week or two ago indicated he was on a HEAVY duty painkiller during the first debates. I forget the name of the painkiller, but FReepers who commented who had used it said wow, that is a drug that is hard to function on.

I accept it as providence, sadly, that he had to have the surgery and he had to use painkillers and he had to debate - so he just was not at his best, through no fault of his own, at the critical time.

America’s loss. Maybe next time?


32 posted on 04/13/2012 10:48:00 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Principled
and... they aren’t considering Newt.

Because Newt's not considering Newt. I wish Newt had Rick's fight, it would be a different scenario right now. Instead, Newt's saying it's over, talking about a show on Fox, and other crap

33 posted on 04/13/2012 10:48:21 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Seems like an obvious enough answer.


34 posted on 04/13/2012 10:49:15 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I liked the characterization of Santorum as a nostalgist. First time I have come across this word but it surely fits. Santorum dreams of a return to a world that never really existed except in his imagination, which in any case is unachievable today, and may not even be desirable for a free people.
35 posted on 04/13/2012 10:53:10 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: muawiyah

Obama MUST be voted out office, no matter what follows. We know America cannot survive four more years of Obama. With Mutt, who knows? If Mutt is elected, the end result may be the same, but at least it won’t be Obama. We have a choice between no hope, or a dim glimmer. Sara Palin has said she will pull the lever for Mutt if he is the candidate in November. Does that mean she is not conservative?


36 posted on 04/13/2012 10:55:10 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: BillyBoy

I will answer your question from my point of view.

No one, NO ONE, to my knowledge has had the stones to stand up to Obama, with the exception of Sarah (and I am not in the tank for her). In my fantasy scenario, Newt would hand Obama his @ss in a debate. Plain and simple, I would like to see that, before all record of it was scrubbed the next day in the MSM. I would like to see the paper tiger fold just for once.

Still, I realize Newt is a big govt guy, really I do, but I would just like to see a little FIGHT by someone with an R next to their name. We wont see that with Romney.

You asked.


37 posted on 04/13/2012 10:55:10 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Persevero

Damn - that would explain a lot. Worse than a shame....


38 posted on 04/13/2012 10:56:01 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: muawiyah
You cannot legitimately be a Republican or a Conservative and back Mitt Romney

Exactly. He's a liberal and his record confirms it. But when the time is right, he will be vetted and all votes for him brings in Barry. So those fearful who vote for mitt under the ABO guise WILL get what they were fearful of.

That's why I'm $upporting Newt - it is the BEST I can do for my country!

39 posted on 04/13/2012 11:00:16 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Josh Painter

because he was a lot better than Mitt Romney


40 posted on 04/13/2012 11:00:33 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presently no screen name
We need to convince this guy to drop out now ~ like Perot. Find the guy who threatened the wedding or whatever it was ~ these rich guys are always antsy about something ~ maybe he'll know what to do.

No wet work though. That's usually not all that practical ~

41 posted on 04/13/2012 11:04:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The Dede Scozzafava thing was not nearly that simple. The GOP rallied for her in the primary, the party took sides BECAUSE she was less conservative. Even after the facts were out there Newt backed her to the hilt and brought other “conservatives” along for the ride.

He was wrong and when he knew he was wrong he doubled down.

....

Newt is still 100X better than Romney though


42 posted on 04/13/2012 11:07:08 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: icwhatudo

Oh, gack!

You holier-than-thou hypocrites make me want to puke. Jesus did not teach unforgiveness.

And you Rick Rollers always trot out Dee Dee when Santorum not only supported Specter over Toomey in the primary, he even supporter Specter for president over Steve Forbes and several other conservatives. Hypocrite.

The economy is a lot more important than global warming, and Santorum has the voting record of a big spending porker.

As far as dividing the vote, Santorum got in the race after Newt did, and as quick as he got out of it, his biggest backers threw their money behind Romney.

Santorum was just one of Mitt’s stalking horses. He stayed in just long enough to keep Gingrich, a Reagan conservatives, from stopping Romney.


43 posted on 04/13/2012 11:08:48 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("We will not save our country by becoming like the left." - Sarah Palin)
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To: Josh Painter

“seemingly so opposite of conservative”

His ACU rating was higher than most other Republicans in the House while he was there. Let me guess the person who wrote this will back liberal Romney to the hilt.


44 posted on 04/13/2012 11:09:36 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Josh Painter

Santorum will make a comeback when 90% of children are born out of wedlock, gay weddings are in 50 states, crime is considered equal opportunity, and no middle class jobs are available.


45 posted on 04/13/2012 11:12:45 AM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: BuckeyeTexan
I never understood the appeal of Santorum. He is a big-government social conservative and he’s never managed or governed.

I could never get past his past endorsement of Mitt Romney to even look at his voting record. Claiming that Mitt Romney is a "real conservative" was enough for me to just say no.

I would have voted for him in the general though. Besides he does look like Jerry Seinfeld.

I cannot (at least not at this point) vote for Mitt Romney. This will most likely be the second time I refuse to vote for a President. I never say never but the chances are very high I will not be voting this time. Even if he wee to pick a Conservative VP.

46 posted on 04/13/2012 11:13:29 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: TexasRepublic

Sarah already voted for Newt! Because Newt is the only conservative and the record and know how to get the job done! And the ONLY one who can beat Obama on his worst day!

And I’ll guarantee mitt ain’t getting in, he hasn’t been vetted and he is the easiest of all candidates because his record is one of a liberal - his exposure will be brutal. And he won’t have the media on his side. A vote for him is truly one for barry. It’s not rocket science to see that. He can’t even debate and has NOTHING to debate him with. His ‘I’m a businessman’ means diddle squat and laughable. So the fearful voters will get exactly what they are fearful of - all on their own doing.

We have a Patriot, a conservative candidate who they snub - so may they live the rest of their life in fear. They don’t even deserve America how shabbily they treat her.


47 posted on 04/13/2012 11:16:16 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Josh Painter

Santorum relates to us on an emotional level. He shares our frustrations about cultural rot. He laments the loss of good paying jobs that undergirded American families in decades past. Some of this was unavoidable, but many companies left our shores b/c of high taxes and austere regulations. He is the antithesis of an internationalist, and people such as the Forbes folks can’t relate to the anger of people toward companies and government who used their sacrifices in wars to survive and thrive. These same entities now explain from their ivory towers that manufacturing job losses are fine, b/c WE would be the people who would manage the FINANCING of products made elsewhere. What we see today is the difference between a living, vibrant human, and one gutted and stuffed by a taxidermist. THAT is why Santorum is so loved by the people who *get* what he is saying. Bob


48 posted on 04/13/2012 11:27:08 AM PDT by alstewartfan ( 27 of 36 Romney judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: Principled
and... they aren’t considering Newt.

I considered Newt. I considered his support for DeDe Schozzafava. I considered his global warming commercial with Nancy Pelosi. I considered his multiple divorces and affairs. I considered the way he botched Clinton's impeachment. I decided he wasn't any more of a conservative than Rick Santorum.

And all you need for proof is how many more delegates, states and votes Santorum won over Newt. If Newt were such a wonderful conservative, he would have certainly outperformed Santorum. Newt was certainly better known and certainly more visible. Santorum's success only illustrates what an unelectable candidate Newt truly was. Conservatives preferred an unknown to Newt Gingrich.

49 posted on 04/13/2012 11:27:51 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: ex-snook

You mean in 2016?


50 posted on 04/13/2012 11:28:51 AM PDT by alstewartfan ( 27 of 36 Romney judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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