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Wisconsin recall is high-stakes bet for unions
Associated Press ^ | April 11, 2012 | Sam Hananel

Posted on 04/14/2012 7:59:26 AM PDT by no dems

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Unions are facing a make-or-break moment in their campaign to drive Wisconsin's Republican governor from office.

"After devoting so much effort, energy and funds to the recall, unions have to show positive results or it will be judged to be a sign of a weakened labor movement," said Gary Chaison, professor at Clark University. The recall primary in Wisconsin is May 8, and the general election is June 5.

Such massive, costly campaigns have taken a toll on unions, diverting resources they could have spent helping political allies or organizing new members. "Unions are not bottomless wells when it comes to resources.... "As we're forced to wage these fights to defend what we've got, it's a win-win for the other side because they force us to spend a lot of money to plug holes in the dike."

Unions now face a new hurdle. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett announced last month that he, too, would run in the Democratic primary. Barrett, has clashed with unions in the past and refused to take the unions' veto pledge. Barrett's entry into the race means unions will have to spend even more money to boost Falk's profile. It also puts them in a bind. They are reluctant to publicly attack Barrett for fear of damaging him in the event he wins the primary. They face the prospect of having to spend even more resources in the general election to support a Democrat they don't really trust.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2012; democratcorruption; democrats; elections; recall; scottwalker; unioncorruption; unions; walker; wisconsin
The silver lining to this cloud: The more money the Unions spend on this fiasco, the less they have to help Obozo in the Fall. They are, as my Granny used to say, in a mell of a hess.
1 posted on 04/14/2012 7:59:35 AM PDT by no dems
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To: no dems

OK, the Primary Election, to determine the Pubbie and Dem candidates in all the Recall Races, is May 8. The General Election, to see if the Pubbies or the Unions win, is June 5th.


2 posted on 04/14/2012 8:01:29 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: no dems

The thought came to me this morning: I don’t recall seeing Gov. Walker at any of the GOP Candidate’s Rallies in WI during the GOP Primary there. Probably a smart move. No sense in alienating potential supporters by endorsing someone they don’t like. Paul Ryan and Sen. Johnson, however, went all out for RINO-Rom.


3 posted on 04/14/2012 8:03:18 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: no dems

Right on, hopefully these fights will drain the unions dry and the state isn’t acting as their collections agency any more...

Tom Barret is a rat, but Kathleen Falk is a dyed-in-the-wool Marxist rat. Barret may be playing a delicate game of hoping to be far enough left to win the D primary, then move to the center in hopes of knocking Walker out while refusing to categorically say he would consider letting the collective bargaining bill stand.

Barret isn’t stupid or blinded by Madistan-ism like Falk and he knows full well that the budget reform is working and producing results. Falk would repeal it strictly on ideology, but Barret might let it stand and just turn Walker into a scapegoat. Time will tell.


4 posted on 04/14/2012 8:22:11 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: no dems
Unprecedented sum in excess of $100 million will be spent on this race! Most expensive election outside Presidential race is what many pundits are saying. Unions going all out. One of the most important elections in the country!

Unions pulling out all the stops. "It's now or never" mentality in union halls. Look for Demwits to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Collectively speaking. Every fraudulent voting method ever employed will be put to use.

5 posted on 04/14/2012 8:40:04 AM PDT by donozark (We're ALL Greeks now...and possibly, quite soon, Portugese.)
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To: no dems
A case can be made that this is thee most important race this year. Long range implications of a union loss reverberate all across the country. Wisconsin has been blue for a while, so if it turns red there, unions lose there, its unbelievably good news for the country.

Maybe they have a role, but I'd vote to eliminate all unions in this day and age. Even if not completely powerless and defunct, they won't have the influence they've used maliciously in the last years.

Their secret ballot initiatives are nothing but a means to make intimidation easier for them. They don't know whom to threaten if they don't know how their members voted. To hell with them.

6 posted on 04/14/2012 8:41:40 AM PDT by chiller (Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: no dems

This will be a preview of the kind of election fraud tactics they have lined up for November.


7 posted on 04/14/2012 9:13:52 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: donozark; All

Well, the Pubbies have some tactics they’re using too. Have you seen this? Ya gotta love it.

http://www.twincities.com/politics/ci_20383560/wisconsin-democrats-challenge-fake-recall-candidates?source=rss


8 posted on 04/14/2012 9:16:10 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: chiller
Maybe they have a role, but I'd vote to eliminate all unions in this day and age.

I'd settle for outlawing unions of government workers.

That's most of them anyway.

The year the first federal union law was passed was the last year black unemployment was lower than white unemployment.

My Conservative Presentation to a Black, Liberal Class by Byron Horatio

9 posted on 04/14/2012 9:20:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: no dems
Why are white people in Wisconsin and Minnesota more likely to be statist oriented and fairly politically correct?

is it the northern European stock?

the rest of the midwest is not this bad

i know those of you here who post obviously are different and i feel for ya'll...I truly do...I have pals from Edina to Iowa City to Holland and Traverse City and know how they feel

what percentage of the white population is Republican...forget conservative for a minute

in 2008 whites in MN and WI voted Obama 53% and 54% respectively

the Dakotas voted the same but for McCain

Michigan voted 51% for Obama, Iowa too and Illinois

Indiana and Ohio voted 51% for Mccain but not enough to offset black vote

it would appear that the midwest and upper midwest whites vote either slightly GOP but it's not enough or they vote slightly Dems

amazing...whites as a rule are just plain different than down here...we are 80% more likely to vote for the party of reconstruction...who woulda ever figured that

and to some degree for the same reason...there is no escaping that notion...whites in the South unless they stick together will be held prisoner by a leftist statist black dominated Democrat party...a party they themselves as social conservatives once owned prior to LBJ

and now the party of Lincoln helps them keep the finger in the dike....we are talking states that are 35-40% black

northerners don't have that pressing political threat which might help explain why they vote like they do but then again not really

I think it comes down to the how the women vote...white southern women and white midwestern and upper midwestern gals are very very different

anyway...good luck ya’ll...polls don't look too bad...if the Dems lose....what a waste of everybody’s money eh?

10 posted on 04/14/2012 9:49:44 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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Click!

11 posted on 04/14/2012 10:17:04 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: no dems
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12 posted on 04/14/2012 1:32:09 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: wardaddy

“Why are white people in Wisconsin and Minnesota more likely to be statist oriented and fairly politically correct?
is it the northern European stock?”

They are the descendants of the 48ers, failed European revolutionaries of 1848 who fled Europe and settled in those states. Their statist/socialist streak goes all the way back to those initial immigrants.

48ers were enthusiastic supporters of Lincoln, and having already been in one revolution played a significant role in pushing for civil war. A number of 48ers went on to be generals in the Union Army.


13 posted on 04/14/2012 10:12:22 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: Pelham; rockrr; Admin Moderator
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p237_Konkin.html

IHR.org is a Holocaust denial site.

Kind of funny they'd go after German immigrants like that, though.

15 posted on 04/15/2012 1:54:22 PM PDT by x
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To: no dems

I don’t understand the WI process. This schedule shows a general election even if the recall vote itself doesn’t succeed? Are they so sure it’ll succeed that both parties have to line up candidates immediately? OR, if the recall vote fails, is the general election cancelled and Walker remains governor?


16 posted on 04/15/2012 2:21:03 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: x

If I may paraphrase: “Extremism makes for strange bedfellows” especially when it advances ones agenda. I’ve also noted that some posters demonstrate absolutely deplorable taste in reference sites but, like the man said, “Tis all a matter of taste”.


17 posted on 04/15/2012 2:40:01 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: x

“IHR.org is a Holocaust denial site.”

Thanks for pointing that out, we can all employ the Genetic Fallacy along with you.

The article has nothing at all to do with the Holocaust. It is a book review about Marxism and the New Left in the United States and has an apposite quote regarding that subject.

“Kind of funny they’d go after German immigrants like that, though.”

Probably because the reviewer is not going after them. Evidently he has a history with Wisconsin leftists. Konkin says he attended the University of Wisconsin and tried converting the New Leftists there to his brand of libertarianism, appealing to their common isolationism.


18 posted on 04/15/2012 2:59:28 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: rockrr

Is there a factual error in that quote from Marxism in the United States, or did you simply intend to post ad hominem?

Not that you’ve shown a preference for addressing the substance of a post rather than indulging yourself in an opportunity for insult.


19 posted on 04/15/2012 3:12:06 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: Pelham

Which marxism quote? You have an odd fascination with them. Almost a preoccupation with them.


20 posted on 04/15/2012 3:34:30 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ping!


21 posted on 04/15/2012 5:14:38 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Ping!


22 posted on 04/15/2012 5:15:11 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: rockrr

“Which marxism quote? You have an odd fascination with them. Almost a preoccupation with them.”

I do indeed, a fascination for Marx’s quotes revealing enthusiastic support for the Radical Republicans and the Union war on the Confederacy.

You know the quotes, the same ones you feign a disinterest in. Too bad for you they won’t go away.


23 posted on 04/15/2012 5:31:18 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: wardaddy

Here’s some 48er links from Rutgers:

Our ideals resemble the stars, which illuminate the night. No on will ever be able to touch them. But the men who, like the sailors on the ocean, take them for guides, will undoubtedly reach their goal. —Carl Schurz

After the failed German Revolution of 1848, thousands of German revolutionaries fled Europe and immigrated to the United States. Several of the ‘48ers came to Wisconsin, changing the culture and history of the state in the mid-19th Century.

Young and well educated, the exiled ‘48ers represented a new type of immigrant. Earlier German immigrants to Wisconsin tended to be farmers and tradesmen. The new immigrants were scholars, scientists, journalists, teachers, and lawyers. Indeed the ‘48ers that did try their hand at farming were often referred to as “Latin Farmers” because they spoke better Latin than English. The Wisconsin ‘48ers were men and women committed to freedom and liberty and came to America with these ideals intact.

Wisconsin represented a particularly fruitful state for the revolutionaries to settle in because Wisconsin’s Constitution of 1848 allowed the foreign-born to vote after just one year of residency. Thus, immigrants could play a major role in Wisconsin politics. The Wisconsin Forty-Eighters did just that.

http://comminfo.rutgers.edu/~dalbello/FLVA/activists/48ers.html


24 posted on 04/15/2012 5:35:32 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: wardaddy

“Contributions of the Wisconsin Forty-Eighters

“Even though their number was small in terms of the entire German-born population in Wisconsin, the Wisconsin ‘48ers made their mark in political activism, leadership, and education.

“Political Activism: Perhaps the greatest contribution of the Wisconsin Forty-Eighters is their commitment to political activism—an activism, some would say, that is part of the fabric of Wisconsin progressivism. Exiles and revolutionaries, the ‘48ers promoted liberty and freedom in America. They were especially active in the abolition movement, denouncing the Fugitive Slave Law and championing anti-slavery ideals. While perhaps debatable, Carl Schurz is often credited with getting Abraham Lincoln elected (see Rippley, 32). The ‘48ers were also involved in the founding of the Republican party, often seeing themselves as the German wing of the Republican party...”

“Interestingly, the Wisconsin ‘48ers were often not popular with other German immigrants. This division largely stemmed from the differences between Democratic beliefs and Republican beliefs. Carl Schurz moved to the Democratic German town of Watertown, Wisconsin, where he knew fellow Germans were calling him “ein verdammter Repulikaner” (quoted in Kiessling, 78). It probably did not help that Schurz often referred to other (Democratic) Germans not only as sorcerers (below) but as “Stimmvieh” (stupid cattle blundering aimlessly in the ballot box” (Rippley, 30).

“Carl Schurz summed up his ideas about the Democrats in this 1857 speech given in Madison when he was a (unsuccessful) candidate for lieutenant governor:

‘See how far subserviency to slavery has led the Democratic party. Was it not far enough that they with more or less success, endeavored to abridge free speech and free press, for the benefit of the slave holding system? Was it not enough that they trampled upon the true doctrines of the Constitution, and violated sacred compacts and engagements? Not enough that they demoralized political life to the core by the premium paid for political baseness and hypocrisy? Not enough, that by all this they have discredited our democratic institutions in the eyes of all civilized mankind? No, to them it is not enough. A restless demon urges them forward. For Slavery, they would dig up the graves of the great Father of this Republic and pluck the well earned laurels of patriotism from their sacred brows.

‘As it is, the democratic party is like the sorcerer, who possessed the art of making a giant snake; but when he had made it he forgot the magic word that would kill it again. And the giant snake threw his terrible coils around him, and the unfortunate man was choked to death by the monster of his own creation.

‘Liberty is valued most when lost, but then it is too late, and I tell you, your institutions do not stand as firmly as the pillars of heaven. You are free yet, men of Wisconsin. You are wielding yet the formidable mace of self-government. Lift it high and throw it down with a crushing blow on the head of the serpent! (Daily State Journal, Madison, October 19, 1857)’

“Other groups were also not thrilled with the Wisconsin ‘48ers, namely Irish Catholics. By and large, the ‘48ers saw the Irish as holding onto papist beliefs and as unwilling to become American. Newspaper man and ‘48er Bernhard Domschke put it this way in 1854: “In our struggle we are not concerned with nationality, but with principles; we are for liberty, and against union with Irishmen who stand nearer barbarism and brutality than civilization and humanity. The Irish are our natural enemies, not because they are Irishmen, but because they are the truest guards of Popery” (quoted in Rippley, 30). Ironically, the only Wisconsin monument to Carl Schurz was erected by an Irishman.

“The ‘48ers present an interesting case in American immigration history because they remind us that there is not one “German” experience, let alone one immigrant experience. All in all, Schurz did see an extremely positive role for Germans to play. In a speech on “Political Morals” given in Milwaukee on November 18, 1858, Schurz summed up the widespread contributions Germans could make to American politics and American life:

“Look over this broad land: at Philadelphia, Chicago, St. Louis, aye, and Milwaukee also, the German together with the Americans, crowding around the banner of liberty. See there the old Germanic idea showing its true identity in all the branches of the good old German stock....Let this alliance spread and flourish all over this State, all over this Republic—and the cause of liberty will triumph and our honor will be safe.”

http://comminfo.rutgers.edu/~dalbello/FLVA/activists/48contribs.html


25 posted on 04/15/2012 5:40:55 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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To: STARWISE; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks no dems.


26 posted on 04/15/2012 5:52:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gorush

LOL!


27 posted on 04/15/2012 6:32:34 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: wardaddy
Why are white people in Wisconsin and Minnesota more likely to be statist oriented and fairly politically correct?

I've lived in both states for many years and can tell you that when it comes to radical politics these states are at the top. If you look at the voting demographics in Wisconsin, you'll see there is a correlation with the population density. The cities vote liberal democrat (larger population) and the urban/rural areas vote conservative republican. Regrettably the cities combined population is greater than the urban/rural population. And don't forget, the Republican party was formed in Ripon, Wisconsin.

If you think a Packers vs Vikings game can get nasty, just get into a discussion of politics 'across the river'. Minnesotans were fed up with the national parties and started a few of their own at the state level. There is the Democratic Farmer Labor party and the Independent Republican party. Both of these loosely based on the national political parties. Along with this is the normal Democratic Party and the Republican Party. The voting ballots can really be a handful if you're not keeping track of who's on first.

So radical politics in MN & WI has been going on for a long time. I guess to sum it up, if you don't like the party then change the dance tune.

28 posted on 04/15/2012 6:35:45 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: rockrr
You have an odd fascination with them. Almost a preoccupation with them.

There were a surprising number of radical Republican who were fans of Karl Marx in the 19th Century. Among them was a Supreme Court Clerk (John Chandler Bancroft Davis) who fabricated the precedent giving corporations the protections of citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

29 posted on 04/15/2012 7:06:36 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"This will be a preview of the kind of election fraud tactics they have lined up for November"
Very true and needs to be broadcast from the rooftops. I'm glad I live in Texas, but no right-to-work state is immune to various fraud tactics like international financing for BHO's campaign in 2008 (using a payment processing system that didn't use basic card authorization services).
30 posted on 04/15/2012 7:13:04 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: EDINVA

The General Election, June 5th, IS the Recall Election. The Primary, May 8th, is just that. A Primary to see which Dems will run against the Pubbies they are trying to recall. Once the candidates are established, then the actual General (Recall) Election is June 5th.

Hope this helps.


31 posted on 04/15/2012 8:14:43 PM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: no dems; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Wisconsin Union Recall Fiasco ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


32 posted on 04/15/2012 8:23:12 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: no dems

Can pubbies cross over and vote dhimmi in the primary?


33 posted on 04/15/2012 8:50:35 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

yes. and discussions are ongoing


34 posted on 04/15/2012 9:01:03 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: sgtyork

While I personally find the practice unseemly the pragmatist in me says “Turnabout is fair-play”. In my state (Washington) they changed the rules in order to prevent it. I guess they decided that the pubbies were such an endangered species that they no longer needed to meddle in our elections ;-)


35 posted on 04/15/2012 9:39:40 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: no dems; All
I don't see Walker losing this - he will prolly scrape by with 51% or better.

Reason is that [with the new laws and policies]:

1) Unemployment is under 7% ...

2) State tax receipts are up [more money for state services] ...

3) Businesses are being persuaded to locate in the state [which decreases #1 and increases #2 even more, above] ...

People are gonna vote their pocketbooks in the recall election - and they are gonna vote for Walker ...

36 posted on 04/15/2012 9:40:03 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56

“I don’t see Walker losing this - he will prolly scrape by with 51% or better.”

I pray that you are right.

Do you still see that happening when the DemocRAT DA from Milwaukee issues criminal charges against Walker (that will later be proven false) a couple of weeks before the election? The media will be in a full feeding frenzy over the seriousness of the allegations.

Do not underestimate the commie union rats. They are going to use every trick, legal or illegal, to overturn the will of the Wisconsin taxpayers.


37 posted on 04/15/2012 10:03:38 PM PDT by ThE_RiPpEr.
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To: Pelham

You Tagline sucks big-time.


38 posted on 04/16/2012 2:53:29 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: donozark

Indeed, let’s pray that Scott is not recalled for the sake of the people of Wisconsin..


39 posted on 04/16/2012 2:53:53 AM PDT by aces
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To: rockrr

Can pubbies cross over and vote dhimmi in the primary?
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Not sure. I don’t live in WI.


40 posted on 04/16/2012 2:59:25 AM PDT by no dems (TED CRUZ: A PROVEN CONSERVATIVE FOR U.S. SENATE FROM TEXAS.)
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To: no dems

Thank you. So the 5/8 primary is ONLY for the Dems? And, if the recall itself were to fail, the election for governor part of the 6/5 election is voided? Sorry, I’m being really dense here, but all this recall business is a bit confusing. Hope we never go through it, and wish in this case WI weren’t.


41 posted on 04/16/2012 8:59:01 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: gorush
Walker fixed it.
Let's not Falk it up.
We couldn't Barrett.

Now that is one GREAT sign. I wish that 10,000 of these signs were plastered all over Wisconsin!

42 posted on 04/16/2012 9:15:27 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: no dems

“As we’re forced to wage these fights to defend what we’ve got, it’s a win-win for the other side because they force us to spend a lot of money to plug holes in the dike.”


That pro-union professor has no idea what he’s talking about; Tammy Baldwin is running for the Senate, not for governor.


43 posted on 04/16/2012 2:02:45 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: no dems

La meme chose à toi.


44 posted on 04/16/2012 8:30:50 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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