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To Newt Gingrich haters (vanity)
Vanity | April 13, 2012 | CutePuppy

Posted on 04/14/2012 4:35:57 PM PDT by CutePuppy

He was rubbing it in everybody's face that an old coot like him could get somebody like her. No matter how God awful she looked.

This doesn't make any sense. If Callista really looked "God awful," how would it be that "he was rubbing it in everybody's face"? And do you suggest he should not have appeared with his wife at the political events but rather should have left her behind? And for which particular reason - being "God awful" or being "too young and too beautiful"?

I think your statement is, at the very least, subjective, projective, unworthy and, by accounts of most people who know and have met Callista, simply untrue and offensive.

Newt would bring the ever Lurking Calista with him and she was the cause of divorce # 2.

Are you really so blinded by hate that you have no compunctions about repeating and even magnifying the thoroughly disproved, debunked, refuted old lies sprung by the vile liberal media and propagated by the sclerotic GOP establishment?

If you really want to educate yourself on the facts, let's separate them from hateful fiction.

First, Callista is no more "Lurking" near her husband at the events than any other candidate's wife, be it Ann Romney or Karen Santorum.

Second, Newt met Callista for the first time and started dating her in 1993, 6 years after he was legally separated in 1987 from his estranged runaway wife #2, Marianne Ginther Gingrich (who chose to keep that name after the divorce) so Callista could not possibly have been the reason or cause for their separation and eventual divorce. Gingrich has been with Callista for more than 18 years, and happily married to her since 1999, after he resigned from Congress and finalized the bitter drawn-out divorce from Marianne, which she wouldn't grant him in 1994 when he was busy executing the Second Republican Revolution / Gingrich Revolution working to take over the Congress and pushing through the Congress and the vetoes the Contract With America. Callista, not Marianne, was with him through the trials and tribulations of that exciting and turbulent time, and 18 years together with her (more than 12 years in marriage) is much longer and happier than so many marriages are today. For the sake of the family Newt later converted to life-long faith of Callista, Catholicism.

Details / Refs:
Gingrich: If it comes to a shutdown, the GOP should stick to its principles - FR post #104, 2012 February 12

Gingrich admits ABC claim was false - FR post #32 / WSJ, No-Fault Newt, by James Taranto, 2012 January 20

The Inner Quest of Newt Gingrich (1995: Marianne Promised To "Undermine Everything" For Newt) - FR post #143, 2012 January 18 / PBS/VF, by Gail Sheehy, 1995 September

Romney Must Get Personal Over Bain Capital Attacks - FR, posts #21, #36, #42, #3, 2012 January 12

Things happen in marriage, it doesn't always work out between two people, no matter how wonderful or horrible they might otherwise be. Rush Limbaugh is on his fourth marriage, to a much younger woman from a prominent Democratic family, he has no children, yet how many would question his conservative credentials, including being pro-life, pro-family and pro-marriage? Reagan was divorced and remarried when he became President, yet he's been one of the best pro-life and pro-family Presidents.

Newt has good relationship with his first wife Jackie (who wasn't dying from cancer and wasn't served divorce papers when she was in the hospital - another debunked liberal lie, picked up by Newt's detractors) and he and Callista have great relationship with his daughters and grandchildren. Instead of being bitter about this, we should be happy for them, just like we are for Karen Santorum who made her share of mistakes in her youth, but found a good path and good marriage.

Also notice that some of the most ardent supporters of Newt on FR are women. So much for the "gender gap" that many so-called "conservatives" keep warning us about Newt becoming a nominee... How is this "gender gap" working out for Mitt Romney so far in national polling? Never overestimate the "well-meaning warnings" as usually they are just a case of "reverse psychology" in action.

He was delusional to think he could get the evangelicals with that approach.

Also completely inaccurate.

In reality, the evangelical "leaders" have been very split about Newt and Rick, and then, as usual, chose poorly, in favor of "wear it on the sleeve" but poorly prepared, underfunded and unorganized candidate who had no chance to win but possibly get just enough support to either get "promoted" himself to VP slot or (if he becomes unviable as campaign unfolds) to push Romney to choose an evangelical "family values" candidate, à la Bush-Quayle ticket. Grassroots evangelical support can sometimes provide the margin of victory (slim, near miss Electoral College victories by George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004) but, in itself, is not enough to win national elections or elect a candidate that does not meet "GOPe Seal of Approval."

Bob Vander Plaats of Iowa, just like he did with Huckabee in 2008, endorsed Santorum, who was then polling at 2%, despite Newt providing Plaats' organization with $150K that were crucial to the successful ousting of three pro-gay-marriage Iowa Justices. And while Tony Perkins, Gary Bauer and James Dobson also endorsed Santorum, it took three rounds of voting to decide the "official endorsement" between Newt and Rick, with many other evangelical leaders either absent or openly individually endorsing Newt after this "consensus vote" at the Pressler Ranch near Houston, just before SC primary. Tim and Beverly LaHaye (Chair of Concerned Women of America), Jim Garlow, Don Wildmon and others also endorsed Newt, although they didn't actively campaign for him the way Dobson, Plaats, Perkins and Bauer did for Santorum.

From Gingrich: Christian Conservatives on My Side - RC, by Janie Lorber, 2012 January 17

Look where Dobson, Perkins, Plaats and Bauer are now - they are reduced to going hat in hand to Romney camp / GOPe who will most likely treat them like Clinton did Sister Souldja.

The unprecedented amount of money and extraordinary lies and ruined "conservative" reputations, that it took to assault Gingrich in Florida, by entire GOPe, when they / Romney were on the verge of losing to the only representative Tea Party conservative remaining there showed that GOPe wants Tea Party to occupy the same place within the GOP structure that the social / "family values" conservatives do now - a reliable vote by a "minority" that "has nowhere else to go" - basically the same exact role that the blacks, Jews, GLBT, "women" and other "minorities" represent for the establishment of the Democrat party. It was a fight for survival for GOPe, against a small(er) government, Reagan conservatives Tea Party movement.

If we don't unite behind Newt, the Tea Party will be just like evangelicals - a few minority "local" groups that are only paid a lip service by GOPe on the national level. That may be just fine with some evangelical "leaders" - just like the blacks got the "first black President" Bill Clinton and now the first African-American (literally, Kenyan-American) President, the evangelicals might get another "compassionate conservative" like Bush-43. Where does it leave the country and the rest of us?

Evangelicals have simply been used by the GOPe to split the Tea Party vote, by providing them a "true conservative" alternative in the form of Santorum. For instance, there was never an attempt to intimidate or negotiate a cut off of Foster Friess' SuperPAC funds that provided just enough of a lifeline for Santorum's campaign, unlike pulling all stops to get Sheldon Adelson stop donations to SuperPAC for Gingrich, or planting various false stories about the funds cut just before the states' primaries (thus diverting votes of supposedly "strategic" voters from Gingrich to Romney or Santorum).

(BTW, as an aside, the reason for Adelson not favoring Rick has nothing to do with his religious or social views - Vegas is a union town, casinos and restaurants there have had problems with several unions for decades, so the record of historically cozy relations of Santorum with unions is anathema to Vegas businessmen. There are large patches of prime real estate off the Strip in Vegas that have been for sale for a long time that nobody wants to buy and develop, but Adelson's Las Vegas Sands and Sands Cotai Central is opening another $5B casino in Macau, and plans to spend $35B over 9 years to build casinos and resorts in Spain, Macau and elsewhere in Asia - sales and profits are substantially higher per square foot overseas than in the unionized and overregulated U.S. / Vegas casinos).

Unfortunately, the entire Santorum's / evangelicals campaign plan was based entirely on trying to get Newt's votes and Newt out of the race, even though everybody understood that he would be crushed by Romney immediately after, one on one, even as Gingrich kept nearly publicly saying (to no avail for mathematically challenged) that he sees this as a fight to deny Romney most delegates rather than just "winning" the states while ceding delegates to Romney because Santorum didn't even have the required delegates in several states:

From Santorum, Paul look past Nevada caucuses - WPVI-TV, 2012 February 04

From Santorum refuses to bow despite another loss - WPVI-TV, 2012 February 05

Whoever thought that this may be a winning strategy against GOPe was nuts and had not learned the lessons of Huckabee 2008 run, when there wasn't even a fraction of money and the entire GOPe machine deployed against him like there was against Gingrich this year. Evangelicals played right into Romney / GOPe hands by insisting on "endorsing" and actively working for the "more perfect" single issue conservative as opposed to the supposedly "flawed" conservative.

To the delight of GOPe, it finally gave them an alternative to Newt - the race has turned from Anybody-But-Romney into Anybody-But-Gingrich. (Alinsky's rule #12 - "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.")

"The best weapon against an enemy is another enemy" - Friedrich Nietzsche

All they had to do now was keep Santorum's campaign on "life support" and ignore Gingrich as if he didn't exist in the race, except for ratcheting up the pressure on Adelson to cut off the funds to SPAC and keeping to mock Gingrich within the media and only repeatedly asking him when he is going to drop out (Alinsky's Rule #13 - "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.") to shut down his message and antagonize the voters against him within the party, similar to what they've done to Newt ever since he became the Speaker and to Palin since she became a VP candidate.

Newt has always been pro-life, unlike Mitt Romney who has been [s]electively pro-choice or pro-life when it suited him politically, or even Rick Santorum who has been pro-choice earlier in his life, before he married and ran for Congress (apparently, some early mistakes in life but not the life circumstances of the others could be forgiven by some evangelical leaders).

Newt was also an adopted child, an Army brat, having to move from place to place often, not experiencing or knowing much about love in his youth, and marrying very young and having two children in his 19 years long first marriage, yet at that time he also accomplished getting Master and PhD degrees in history and becoming a college professor. Yet he never plays up his humble and difficult upbringing. In contrast, Rick Santorum's stump speech starts with his grandfather in the "Pennsylvania mining town" while he conveniently avoids mentioning that he was basically a child of relative privilege (his father was a chief of psychology department, mother a chief of nurses in the local Butler, PA, VA hospital) so getting him a good education (MBA and JD) was not such a burden for his family.

I am not trying to dump on Rick, who is a good family man, and whose family has seen their share of tragedy and disappointments. But many of the people who were voting for Santorum or Romney somehow allowed themselves to be taken in by lies about Newt and not question them, progressing to hating Newt with a passion. I am just trying to show that if, in their minds, Rick and his family are deserving of Christian or human forgiveness for their transgressions, then certainly, by all means, so does Newt and his family.

Nobody gave Newt anything in life, he had to work very hard for everything he achieved in life, and despite all the hardship, he has a record of conservative accomplishments that very few people can boast or even dream about, both in public life and post-public entrepreneurial life. That's why he is hated, envied and, just like Ronald Reagan, reviled by the lunatic left and the comfortable establishment right.

"If you have no enemies, you are not important enough to have made any" - Alexandre Dumas

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan

Hume is just another excuse for Newt in a long line of excuse's.

As far as the old and tired meme of "excuses" and "whining" by Gingrich goes, if you ask for and are given an explanation of certain facts, you can always label anything you don't like an "excuse" or "whine" to ignore and avoid dealing with the substance of an explanation. That, in itself, is a poor, childish excuse for attempting to "win" the argument the substance of which you are unable to refute but unwilling to accept.


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To: dforest
I am a good student.

You could learn a little about not judging people, forgiveness, and talking to others with respect.

51 posted on 04/14/2012 6:00:24 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: CutePuppy

Newt Gingrich’s political life is tragic, because he is very smart and he has a deep understanding of history and of how our government is supposed to function. He should have been an excellent candidate.

Unfortunately, cast in the best light, as a person who was a repeated victim of wicked ex-wives, Newt and his supporters shows him to be unsuitable.

Being sorry and truly repentant for whatever one has done in the past does not fix the flaws that made those past acts possible in the first place.

It is absolutely our place to look at someone’s record as an indicator of future performance. We’re supposed to use history to guide us, just as Newt himself has argued. History is a useful tool.

If nothing was ever his fault because he was too easily swayed by these evil, terrible women, then he lacks the necessary discernment to be president.

Newt’s supporters, saying everything in his history is “not his fault”, and painting him as an innocent, naive victim make the best argument for not voting for him.


52 posted on 04/14/2012 6:01:30 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: dforest
I am a good student. I have read FR for 6 years

Jesus H christ. If that doesn't say it all. No wonder we have a "conservative" website with jackboot political officers watching every word we write.

53 posted on 04/14/2012 6:02:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: dforest
I am a good student. I have read FR for 6 years

Jesus H christ. If that doesn't say it all. No wonder we have a "conservative" website with jackboot political officers watching every word we write.

54 posted on 04/14/2012 6:02:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: dforest

Newt Gingrich has the best conservative record of any candidate running. “In the 1994 campaign season, in an effort to offer an alternative to Democratic policies and to unite distant wings of the Republican Party, Gingrich and several other Republicans came up with a Contract with America, which laid out ten policies that Republicans promised to bring to a vote on the House floor during the first hundred days of the new Congress, if they won the election.[41] The contract was signed by Gingrich and other Republican candidates for the House of Representatives. The contract ranged from issues such as welfare reform, term limits, tougher crime laws, and a balanced budget law, to more specialized legislation such as restrictions on American military participation in United Nations missions.

In the November 1994 elections, Republicans gained 54 seats and took control of the House for the first time since 1954. Long-time House Minority Leader Bob Michel of Illinois had not run for re-election, giving Gingrich, the highest-ranking Republican returning to Congress, the inside track at becoming speaker. The midterm election that turned congressional power over to Republicans “changed the center of gravity” in the nation’s capital.[42] Time magazine named Gingrich its 1995 “Man of the Year” for his role in the election.[4]

Speaker of the House

Gingrich’s official portrait as Speaker
Main article: Contract with America

The House fulfilled Gingrich’s Contract promise to bring all ten of the Contract’s issues to a vote within the first 100 days of the session, even though most legislation was initially held up in the Senate. Over the objection of liberal/progressive interest groups[43] and President Clinton, who called it the “Contract on America”.[44]

Legislation proposed by the 104th United States Congress included term limits for Congressional Representatives, tax cuts, welfare reform, and a balanced budget amendment, as well as independent auditing of the finances of the House of Representatives and elimination of non-essential services such as the House barbershop and shoe-shine concessions. Following Gingrich’s first two years as House Speaker, the Republican majority was re-elected in the 1996 election, the first time Republicans had done so in 68 years, and the first time simultaneously with a Democratic president winning re-election


55 posted on 04/14/2012 6:04:41 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: MHGinTN
I’m left trying to figure out why Sarah doesn’t realise that Milt Rominy was the author of the hate Palin campaign

How do you know she doesn't? Maybe, unlike many demented freepers lately, she knows how to let it go and move on.

56 posted on 04/14/2012 6:07:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: katiedidit1

“PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE GOP E AND THE EVANGELICALS CAN FORGIVE MITT ROMNEY FOR BEING PRO-CHOICE SUPPORTING BABY KILLERS BUT CAN’T FORGIVE NEWT HIS DIVORCES?”

Don’t include this evangelical in that query. Nor the ones I know.


57 posted on 04/14/2012 6:11:58 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: stilloftyhenight
He who is without sin, cast the first stone” comes to mind. Look, we have a nation to save. Does anyone have confidence in Romney to do that?

yes....your choice would be....?

In November we will be given a choice, Obama or Romney....I'm not excited about either but our choices are pretty much etched in stone.....I think I'll go with Romney

58 posted on 04/14/2012 6:12:40 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: CutePuppy

Much goes right over the heads of a number of the folks who chimed in on this one....so so so much.


59 posted on 04/14/2012 6:13:05 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: CutePuppy

It needed to be said. Thank you.


60 posted on 04/14/2012 6:14:53 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Newt says, "A nominee that depresses turnout won't beat Barack Obama.")
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To: true believer forever; dforest

More on Newt’s conservative accomplishments...Mitt is not even in Newt’s class. Welfare reform

A central pledge of President Bill Clinton’s campaign was to reform the welfare system, adding changes such as work requirements for recipients. However, by 1994, the Clinton Administration appeared to be more concerned with universal health care and no details or a plan had emerged on welfare reform. Gingrich accused Clinton of stalling on welfare, and proclaimed that Congress could pass a welfare reform bill in as little as 90 days. Gingrich insisted that the Republican Party would continue to apply political pressure to the President to approve welfare legislation.[46]

In 1996, after constructing two welfare reform bills that Clinton vetoed,[47] Gingrich and his supporters pushed for passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, which was intended to reconstruct the welfare system. The act gave state governments more autonomy over welfare delivery, while also reducing the federal government’s responsibilities. It instituted the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, which placed time limits on welfare assistance and replaced the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children program. Other changes to the welfare system included stricter conditions for food stamp eligibility, reductions in immigrant welfare assistance, and recipient work requirements.[48]

Gingrich negotiated with Clinton by offering accurate information about his party’s vote counts and by persuading conservative Republicans to vote for it.[47] The bill was signed into law on August 22, 1996.

In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich encouraged volunteerism and spiritual renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and increasing property ownership by low-income families. Gingrich praised Habitat for Humanity for sparking the movement to improve people’s lives by helping them build their own homes.[49]
wiki


61 posted on 04/14/2012 6:18:05 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Go back to Nov. 1, 2011. The only real surprise of the campaign so far was the moderate, but not enough, “surge” of Santorum. Everything else was entirely predictable from the start, including the lingering Newt-Paul people hanging on.


62 posted on 04/14/2012 6:22:48 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Psalm 144

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Com is for Romney; the National Right to life endorsed Romney and Jay Sekulow, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, a Christian legal group, and a supporter of Mr. Romney, said the “stark contrast” between Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama in their visions of America would energize evangelicals as well as attract independent voters.
There are others!


63 posted on 04/14/2012 6:23:54 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: MHGinTN
I’m left trying to figure out why Sarah doesn’t realise that Milt Rominy was the author of the hate Palin campaign. I eamn, if she were to realise that and throw her support and maybe her veep hat in Newt’s ring, we might see a different outcome from what the GOP=e is planning for us!

She was on mark levin's show, I think, 2 days ago, and was congratulating him for staying in the fray and endorsing Romney, when "we" didn't get our First Choice.

If you didn't hear, Levin came on the day after Santorum dropped out, and said "we conservatives have to work together and pull out a victory for Romney."

It was an amazing thing to hear, to say the least.

Sarah seems to have gotten quite good with her little teases for Newt, support Newt rage against the machine, If I were voting in SC I would vote for Newt, and voting for him in Alaska without campaigning for him or helping him out.

She needs to get on the battlefield instead of sitting on the sidelines with her little winks and tweets. I am totally disappointed in her, she is behaving like a political hack and not a patriot, in my estimation.

Only her fans are so hardcore, they would never demand anything of her, and anything she does is okay with them.

Please don't give up on Newt...

Please try to help in any way you can...

www.newt.org

www.newt.org/donate

www.grassroots.newt.org Newt's brand new grassroots site for volunteers and supporters. It rocks!

www.newtsnetwork.com National phone banks where you can make calls for Newt, they provide a script and everything.

64 posted on 04/14/2012 6:26:38 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Whomever is running against nobama will win in 2012. That is precisely why the GOPe was so determined to keep out anyone who might upset their apple (access and control of the money)cart and knew Mitt, being one of them, would protect that interest above all others.


65 posted on 04/14/2012 6:28:04 PM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Psalm 144

Right on


66 posted on 04/14/2012 6:31:56 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: CutePuppy

GO NEWT!!!!

I WILL STAND WITH NEWT ‘TILL THE END.


67 posted on 04/14/2012 6:33:30 PM PDT by mmanager (NEWT - The Chruchill of our time!)
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To: dforest
The fact he was at an NRA conference declaring that the whole world needs the right to bear arms and taking it to the UN is worrisome because it shows Newt sees the UN as influential.

I understand and sympathize with your sentiments about the UN, but until that obscene and corrupt organization is flushed down the toilet completely - - or at least marginalized to irrelevance - - it IS "influential", and to pretend it isn't is naive.

68 posted on 04/14/2012 6:34:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: true believer forever

I don’t believe it was me on this thread calling people names. I just gave my opinion even though I was called moron and other names.

This is an election, not a church service. I propbaly know quite a lot about forgiveness due to struggles in my own life. I did learn that forgiveness doesn’t really come with a promise of elevation to be leader of the country. While a person can be forgiven for personal faux pas, that doesn’t mean there are no consequences to our actions that we end up paying for like it or not.

Perhaps you could repeat your post to some of your Newt supporters as far as treating others who disagree with respect. It does go both ways.

There is no law that says I have to respect Newt’s political history. While he is a good debater at times, he also has some past that is not very conservative. I really do not like his personality either. Sorry, I just don’t.


69 posted on 04/14/2012 6:35:23 PM PDT by dforest
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To: katiedidit1

No doubt. My statement was, do not include THIS evangelical in that lineup, nor those in my circle. I was astonished to find out how many were as determined against Romney as I am.

This is a time of sifting. Those who are endorsing Willard have gone over to the tophet on the right, because it is supposed to be a kinder, gentler tophet than the one one the left. Left or right, each is a tophet, and they will have their reward for going there.


70 posted on 04/14/2012 6:36:28 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Psalm 144

I noticed that you and your friends aren’t in that group. I am just stunned that some of the evangelical leaders are..I don’t trust Mitt because of his huge flip flops on being pro choice. Honestly, I don’t trust him on anything


71 posted on 04/14/2012 6:40:42 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE GOP E AND THE EVANGELICALS CAN FORGIVE MITT ROMNEY FOR BEING PRO-CHOICE SUPPORTING BABY KILLERS BUT CAN'T FORGIVE NEWT HIS DIVORCES?

Good question.

72 posted on 04/14/2012 6:53:06 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: dforest
The 1994 wins were not a victory for conservatives, it was a GOP victory. Newt has not been a conservative until this year when he ran for President.

Spoken like somebody who was in a drug-induced coma between 1994 and 1998.

73 posted on 04/14/2012 6:54:27 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: katiedidit1

“PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE GOP E AND THE EVANGELICALS CAN FORGIVE MITT ROMNEY FOR BEING PRO-CHOICE SUPPORTING BABY KILLERS BUT CAN’T FORGIVE NEWT HIS DIVORCES?”

They have NOTHING else on Newt’s impeccable conservative record to carp about, so they pile on that. That’s despicable.

In a country where 50% of marriages end by a divorce, the fake indignation is ridiculous. His first wife forgave him, he has excellent relations with his daughters and grand-children, as for his second wife, Marianne, she left him in 1987 emptying the house of furniture and taking away the family car ... While they were separated he met Callista and fell in love with her in 1993 and married her in 2000. It is obvious that he loves her dearly and that they are happy together. The private life should remain just that - private.

Karen Santorum also made mistakes in her youth, but that’s not and should not be an issue. The GOP gossipers should STFU already about Gingrich’s private life as well.


74 posted on 04/14/2012 6:59:20 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: dforest
1994 was a win for conservatives. Sadly, they gradually sold out and became Washington politicians.
75 posted on 04/14/2012 7:00:07 PM PDT by donna (3rd largest workforce in the world: UK National Health Service (Chinese Army is #1)
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To: katiedidit1
More on Newt’s conservative accomplishments...Mitt is not even in Newt’s class. Welfare reform

A central pledge of President Bill Clinton’s campaign was to reform the welfare system, adding changes such as work requirements for recipients. However, by 1994, the Clinton Administration appeared to be more concerned with universal health care and no details or a plan had emerged on welfare reform. Gingrich accused Clinton of stalling on welfare, and proclaimed that Congress could pass a welfare reform bill in as little as 90 days. Gingrich insisted that the Republican Party would continue to apply political pressure to the President to approve welfare legislation.[46]

In 1996, after constructing two welfare reform bills that Clinton vetoed,[47] Gingrich and his supporters pushed for passage of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, which was intended to reconstruct the welfare system. The act gave state governments more autonomy over welfare delivery, while also reducing the federal government’s responsibilities. It instituted the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, which placed time limits on welfare assistance and replaced the longstanding Aid to Families with Dependent Children program. Other changes to the welfare system included stricter conditions for food stamp eligibility, reductions in immigrant welfare assistance, and recipient work requirements.[48]

Gingrich negotiated with Clinton by offering accurate information about his party’s vote counts and by persuading conservative Republicans to vote for it.[47] The bill was signed into law on August 22, 1996.

In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich encouraged volunteerism and spiritual renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and increasing property ownership by low-income families. Gingrich praised Habitat for Humanity for sparking the movement to improve people’s lives by helping them build their own homes.[49] wiki

Wow - this entire post is great and new info to me - atleast in such concentrated form.

RE "In his 1998 book Lessons Learned the Hard Way, Gingrich encouraged volunteerism and spiritual renewal, placing more importance on families, creating tax incentives and reducing regulations for businesses in poor neighborhoods, and increasing property ownership by low-income families. Gingrich praised Habitat for Humanity for sparking the movement to improve people’s lives by helping them build their own homes."

this is an absolute diamond find - I have been trying to get some resources together to appeal to Santorum supporters after they get a little mourning time, and I am going to check that book out... he has written so many, it is difficult to be familiar with the content of all of them...

Are you familiar with any other Newt stuff that reflects the similarities between him and Santorum re this particular issue, the spiritual realm, because his support is so evangelical and very hard to convince..

THANKS BUNCHES!!

76 posted on 04/14/2012 7:02:45 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: katiedidit1

Nothing stuns me at this point. Sicken and appall, yes. But not stun.

Decent people are scared, bullied and driven into irrationality. They have lost all sight of first things, and are willing to do anything to prevent the sky from falling. Several times I have seen posts where people actually say they would vote for Satan if it got rid Obama, as (omitting caps and exclamation points): “nothing could be worse than Obama”. Think about that! A nadir of confusion, hatred and despair. Who is the author of such things? Are there really so few people that see they are being driven by that author? They bend the knee to their doubt and despair. Big mistake. The biggest they could ever make.

God help us. Again, God help us all.


77 posted on 04/14/2012 7:02:45 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I believe you were in a coma. If you notice, most of the primary voters must agree with me.

Got it? I am done taking the insults. So what? I don’t
agree.

I have never taken drugs and I have taken very few pills most of my life. So I don’t appreciate what you said.


78 posted on 04/14/2012 7:04:47 PM PDT by dforest
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To: X-spurt
Whomever is running against nobama will win in 2012

I wish I could agree but can't.Any one of the Republicans who've been running *SHOULD* be able to beat Osama but remember...Bill Ayers's most famous student is gonna have a BILLION dollars to carpetbomb a half dozen swing states with ads that would make a two bit hooker blush but just might work nevertheless.Osama Obama has brought this country to its knees and has done so deliberately.Imagine what damage he could do when he knew that he didn't have to worry about a single voter ever again...or raising a single campaign dollar ever again.

Although it shouldn't be that way I'm convinced that Romney is the only one still in the race who can survive that billion dollar s**tstorm that's in the wind as I type.

79 posted on 04/14/2012 7:05:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: CutePuppy
Most of the people complaining about Newt will never amount to much as giving back to their country. Newt has given so much to the American experience than most. Even Limbaugh states such. After Newt was forced to leave.. so the crybabies would not be beat up by the media, they caved into the Bush/Rove agenda/compassionate moderate policies; spending us over the cliff (along with santorum in that group).

The haters are not very bright. One word they latch on and run with an entire rewrite about what Newt Gingrich said (like his speech at the NRA). I think they are Romney supporters. I blame Santos for this mess more than anyone though I don't get up each day hating him like some here at FR do of Newt. Can you image their own lives to have this much hate. They are judging Newt and by doing so will end up with a man who allowed babies to die and same sexes to have special rights.

There is a long list of the Santorum Romney supporters here who have stated that Mitt's policies are exactly what they did not want. They did this to the little babies that are asking for help. I don't think Mitt will be pro life when the libs get through with him. Gay marriage side would have won-their guy from MA carried the agenda first into law. Mitt Romney/Mr. Gay Marriage-You tell me how Christians get out there and applaud this guy at rallies. This entire scheme is hard to watch. Keep up the good work of getting the truth out.

80 posted on 04/14/2012 7:06:31 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I believe you were in a coma. If you notice, most of the primary voters must agree with me.

Got it? I am done taking the insults. So what? I don’t
agree.

I have never taken drugs and I have taken very few pills most of my life. So I don’t appreciate what you said.


81 posted on 04/14/2012 7:06:43 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest; Pan_Yans Wife; AuntB
RE :”Yuck

:)

You see those posts about Newt going to CNN now?
It seems that he is saying that FNC lost the primary for him even after all the times he assured us that he would win it.
He has two modes : 1) overconfidence, and 2) sore loser, at least recently anyway. Lots of silly ideas too.

82 posted on 04/14/2012 7:08:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: dforest

Newt is the establishment??? Good grief. No wonder our country is messed up.


83 posted on 04/14/2012 7:12:00 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic ( (#withNewt))
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To: katiedidit1

Mitt Romney was opposed to best conservative politics in the last 30 years: he was against President Reagan politics in the 80ies and against the Republican Congress majority politics and the Contract with America in the 90ies.

Romney had been a lifelong independent before he decided to run for Ted Kennedy’s Senate seat in Massachusetts in 1994, the Boston Globe reported at the time.

After Romney entered the 1994 Senate race, his wife Ann said: “We didn’t know a single Republican when we jumped in.”

When House Speaker Newt Gingrich was promoting his “Contract with America” in 1994, Romney “had not read the document and had no plans to support it,” the Boston Globe reported.

Brent Bozell’s Conservative Victory Committee said that Romney in 1994 “was running away from conservative Republican themes and espousing a left-wing agenda.”

David Broder observed during the 1994 Senate campaign: “Eager to show that he is a moderate independent and no ideologue, Romney stressed his support for universal health insurance and abortion rights, criticized the Republican ‘Contract with America,’ and was more outspoken than Kennedy in arguing that the Boy Scouts should not exclude homosexual youths.”

Romney donated to the 1992 campaign of U.S. Rep. Dick Swett, a New Hampshire Democrat; Rep. John LaFalce, a New York Democrat; and Democrat Doug Anderson, who was running for the Senate from Utah.


84 posted on 04/14/2012 7:12:18 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“OK Einstein, who ya gonna vote for in November?”

Newt won’t be on the ballot.


85 posted on 04/14/2012 7:16:46 PM PDT by bibo_ergo_sum
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To: Hot Tabasco

I’ll be voting for the nominee whoever it is. see my tag line.


86 posted on 04/14/2012 7:18:35 PM PDT by RC one (all y'all had to do was vote for Newt but noooooo, he wasn't good enough.)
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To: sickoflibs

People like you and dforest are the reason we are stuck with pro abortion pro gay marriage Romney. The damage of both are to under mind civilization and morality as we know. You people are either slow or Romney supporters. No conservative would throw off on Gingrich this deep to help a person as Romney-you have been busted.


87 posted on 04/14/2012 7:18:41 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: mountainbunny
Being sorry and truly repentant for whatever one has done in the past does not fix the flaws that made those past acts possible in the first place.

What about the transformative, cleansing power of Jesus Christ - who Newt confesses as his Savior. Aren't old things passed away and all things become new in Him, aren't we ALL new creatures in Christ Jesus?

I wrote the following to explain how I see the claims, usually from Santorum supporters, that Newt is ineligible because of his past..

If that is the case, then not only is Newt still exactly who he was back then, then Callista is still an adultress, then Karen Santorum is still a whore fornicating outside the vows of marriage with a known abortionist... and Rick Santorum is still a compromised political hack, who endorsed Specter... That is the Santorum Standard, and apparently yours, but you can apply it selectively, though that seems to be what rick and his supporters do continually.

Somewhere Santorum and his supporters seemed to have decided because he wears his religion on his sleeve that gives them the right to decide who and what is evil or good in this world...

"On Santorum: No, I’ve never met him. I’ve read about him, some of the corruption he is associated with, I’ve watched him, I’ve listened when he was disrespectful to his mentor for political expediency’s sake. I study his voting record. I know a charity of his gathered millions of dollars, and only spent 32% of their funds on the poor, for whose benefit the charity was formed; and that the normative ethical ratio is for most charities to spend 82% of their funds on their targeted constituency - while most of Santorum’s donations went to give his political friends cushy “charity” jobs. Good Neighbor, I think it was called. I listened as this so-called “good” Christian man stood on a stage and said his character was the quality of character that Americans needed in the White House, unlike the character of others who had personal baggage in their past, without once mentioning the forgiving saving transforming power of Jesus Christ, who is the center of the faith Sanctimonium so piously professes to live by... and sets his principles upon...

If you are not a Christian, you can’t really appreciate what is so appalling and galling about the man, in light of true christians, who don’t abrogate the work of Christ with attempts at self righteousness attained by their outside of the cup persona and behaviors..

What you are doing, and why so many sincere Christians have great problems with Santorum, is he, as well as you, overlook how the transformative power an encounter with the True Christ impacts a man’s entire soul and being; he becomes a new creature in Christ Jesus, old things pass away, all things are made new.

Newt has confessed his sins, said he did things he is ashamed of, has sought to make reconciliation with the members of his family, and others he has hurt. He has blamed no one else but himself. He has come to a new and apparently cleansing faith in Christ Jesus and, most importantly, there is no evidence of any of the same behavioral sins in his life since this long journey of his repentance, rebirth, and renewal began.

And, yet, people cannot let the man leave his past behind. After 20 years - think of it - 20 years - there are still a majority of people in the press, politics - Santorum, and a lot of his supporters - who consider Newt the same man he was 20 years ago, and dare he try to take one step away from his past, to step into the new, as his faith promises him he can, they are there loudly, hypocritically, self-righteously to pull him right back. They won’t let him step away from his sinful past, though no apparent evidence of that sinful past exists any longer, or any evidence that he is the same man he was 20 years ago. He is being judged as the man he was - while that man no longer exists. He is, I repeat, a new creature in Christ Jesus.

Finally, Christians, who truly fully embrace and receive the saving work of Christ, who are transformed deeply, understand that Newt could have done all those things back then, even worse, and still today be a new creature in Christ Jesus - but no one, not Santorum, nor his minions, will allow for that, or accept that might ever be true. So, the final finally: it says more about the people who can’t let Newt be this new creature many believing Christians trust he is, if only because they are likewise sinners, great sinners, saved and transformed by the same power that Newt claims has saved and transformed him. It is religious bigotry, hard hearts, and people like Santorum, who behaviorally have hit many of the right notes in their outward lives, though it is hard to believe that is extensively true - I am sure we will find out - whose self-righteousness - whose pride in their outward manifestations of sinlessness, and acceptable conduct, that causes believing Christians to distance themselves from him, to see him as a hypocrite, saved more by his self-perceived good works than the miraculous, healing work of a Perfect Savior, by his love and tender mercy, towards those who are fully unworthy.

Santorum is about none of that, he is about a gospel of works and self denial, of earned salvation. Newt is simply a sinner being saved by by the gift of grace, he could never earn or be worthy of... through no goodness of his own... the same as most of those Christians who can’t support Santorum’s apostasy."

88 posted on 04/14/2012 7:18:41 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“The 1994 wins were not a victory for conservatives, it was a GOP victory. Newt has not been a conservative until this year when he ran for President.”

Spoken like somebody who was in a drug-induced coma between 1994 and 1998.”

For a Congressman with over 92% conservative voting record in 20 years and 10 terms as Georgia Rep. in the House, Newt Gingrich is one of the staunchest conservatives ever.

dforest’s “darling” Rick is lagging far behind...


89 posted on 04/14/2012 7:19:54 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: sickoflibs

I said before that whining isn’t attractive. It wasn’t when Santorum did it either.


90 posted on 04/14/2012 7:26:05 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("For the sake of our party we must stand united, whoever our nominee is."-Sarah Palin)
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To: true believer forever

“it says more about the people who can’t let Newt be this new creature many believing Christians trust he is, if only because they are likewise sinners, great sinners, saved and transformed by the same power that Newt claims has saved and transformed him.”

Great post, TBF.


91 posted on 04/14/2012 7:29:40 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: CutePuppy; All
CutePuppy and other Newt supporters==> Interview from 1995 ripping into liberal policies.

Sounds like a conservative to me and he also sounds like someone who can get things done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJtkUxIzdA&feature=youtu.be

Newt haters are WRONG.

92 posted on 04/14/2012 7:31:13 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic ( (#withNewt))
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To: Psalm 144
Don’t include this evangelical in that query. Nor the ones I know.

Nor me.... We need to keep reaching out to evangelicals... and reminding them what the Cross of Christ really means in the life of someone who has repented, confessed his sins publicly and sought reconciliation and making things right with those whom he has hurt..

Forgiveness2

 

93 posted on 04/14/2012 7:35:01 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: katiedidit1
... THE EVANGELICALS CAN FORGIVE MITT ROMNEY ... BUT CAN'T FORGIVE NEWT ...

I don't think you will find the answer to this question ("forgiveness") in religion... you will find it in politics.

Truth is, many of the evangelicals "leaders" and their organizations find themselves quite comfortable with the "kinder, gentler, compassionate conservative" GOP structure that provides them a certain measure of importance (or they just might support a "conservative" Democrat). All they are interested in, just as most "minority" groups within a structure is increasing (or at least not losing) their influence relative to some other groups.

They are a slice of a bigger slice which represents government within a political-economic pizza pie. You can grow two ways - by growing your slice within the government slice, or by growing the government slice within a pizza pie that represents entire economy. The bigger the government, within the economy, the bigger their own influence overall.

Smaller government advocates don't give them anything. As a matter of fact, the Tea Party "platform," such as it is, (ideally) calls for the diminished role of government, and the influence of the Special Interest Groups within it, through tax and regulatory reforms. That would cut the role (slice) of the government within the economic pie, and it would also cut their own influence (and many other SIGs) within the government sector (slice).

It's a double-whammy for some evangelical "leaders" and they don't consider it a good thing. That's why Gingrich (most representative and early supporter of the Tea Party movement) was, in reality, the nemesis of this part of the evangelical "community" of "leaders" who went to endorse Santorum at that "non-consensus consensus" meeting near Houston.

That's the real reason why, despite Gingrich's organizations providing real, tangible (including financial) help to these evangelical "leaders" some of them would choose "anybody but Newt" as a nominee - he is for a "radically" smaller government and its influence in the economy and people's lives, and for smaller influence of special interest groups within the government - the worst outcome for some evangelical "leaders," despite Gingrich himself, like Reagan, being personally quite sympathetic and favorable to their stated spiritual goals.

That's what explains Huckabee and Santorum runs, and the choice of "family values" VP Dan Quayle by George H.W. Bush and their embrace of George W. Bush. That's what at the heart of the more outspoken and "visible" supporters of Santorum, whose names I brought up in the post. They see Tea Party and the concept of smaller government as a threat to them, just as the GOPe, so they are "natural" allies in this interparty struggle.

Of course, not all evangelical "leaders" see it like that; many truly want the government out of the way, and they are the ones who supported Gingrich - that's why the sharp and quite public and acrimonious split this year that most people who didn't pay attention to it, missed.

Many people didn't see it because they assumed that "we are all on the same side" and have the same or similar goals. Just like the case with GOPe, it was not exactly true.

94 posted on 04/14/2012 7:37:49 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Christie at the beach; dforest; Pan_Yans Wife; AuntB
RE :”People like you and dforest are the reason we are stuck with pro abortion pro gay marriage Romney. The damage of both are to under mind civilization and morality as we know. You people are either slow or Romney supporters. No conservative would throw off on Gingrich this deep to help a person as Romney-you have been busted

Bla-Bla-Bla, Santurum kicked New’s behind in the primary. So you are just whining.

I enjoyed (entertainment) when Newt started running against “Rich guy gets rich laying off workers” all while his plan would cut the same rich guy's taxes to zero for ‘laying off workers’ making the evil rich guy even richer for doing what he was accusing him of doing. Like Newt was not going to get caught for that.

Newt was not a serious candidate.

You are busted LOL.

95 posted on 04/14/2012 7:41:20 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: Marguerite

Right ON Marguerite! he has a terrible record and he has not done anything to advance the conservative cause but now he is the “GOD of Conservatism”. The sheep are lining up behind him as he leads us to the slaughter


96 posted on 04/14/2012 7:45:19 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: true believer forever

“We need to keep reaching out to evangelicals... and reminding them what the Cross of Christ really means in the life of someone who has repented, confessed his sins publicly and sought reconciliation and making things right with those whom he has hurt..”

If I touch my nose, will that count as reaching out to evangelicals?

Evangelical! ——> Freeper Psalm 144 <-—— Evangelical!

As to your summation of the work of grace, credo!

:-)


97 posted on 04/14/2012 7:45:51 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: terycarl

If that is the choice, so be it. I will fight for ABR until then. We do still have a choice.


98 posted on 04/14/2012 7:45:51 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: dforest
RE :”People like you and dforest are....

LOL, responsible for the end of civilization..
Where have we seen such drama ...??

99 posted on 04/14/2012 7:49:30 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: CutePuppy

I think some of your Marianne/Callista chronology is off. If Newt and Marianne had been separated for 6 years by 1993, why was she with him at virtually every press conference when he was Speaker (eff. Jan. 1995)? Just as he now endlessly says “Callista and I,” back then it was “Marianne and I,” as if they’re a team. That doesn’t make sense.

Not that I much care, other than as it seems to have damaged Newt’s chances to be our nominee, which is a real loss, both to the GOP and to the USA.


100 posted on 04/14/2012 7:50:32 PM PDT by EDINVA
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