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Time to throw out 'myth' of recycling [9 years ago, Sweden determined Al Gore was full of crap]
The Washington Times ^ | March 4, 2003

Posted on 04/15/2012 1:45:30 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Throw away the green and blue bags and forget those trips to return bottles recycling household waste is a load of, well, rubbish, say leading environmentalists and waste campaigners. In a reversal of decades-old wisdom, they argue that burning cardboard, plastics and food leftovers is better for the environment and the economy than recycling. They dismiss household trash separation a practice encouraged by the green lobby as a waste of time and money.

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KEYWORDS: green; greenenergy; recycling
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Came across this story, and thought it was worth repeating...imagine ten years ago, even the envirnomentalists knew incineration was better than the stupid recycling/green job crap.

Obama and Al Gore can cram it.

1 posted on 04/15/2012 1:45:38 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

this whole thing was devised to make Algore wealthy.


2 posted on 04/15/2012 1:48:41 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: SoFloFreeper

I throw my garbage at my libtard neighbor’s yard.


3 posted on 04/15/2012 1:51:21 PM PDT by max americana
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To: SoFloFreeper

Here in florida they hand out green bins for recycables. So then this massive truck runs through the neighborhoods picking up the contents of these bins. I’d wager the truck creates far more waste than the contents of the stupid bins.


4 posted on 04/15/2012 1:54:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: max americana

mark for later


5 posted on 04/15/2012 1:54:48 PM PDT by BattleHymn
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Recycled bottles cost glass companies twice as much as the raw materials, “

I had no idea! I just figured glass would be easy to re-melt, and re-use! Search for Penn and Teller’s expose’ of recycling.


6 posted on 04/15/2012 1:55:53 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

It all depends on what you’re trying to recycle. Its generally more economical to recycle metals but recycling paper is a complete and utter waste of time.


7 posted on 04/15/2012 1:55:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Metal is worth recycling. Pretty much everything else is not.

Old cotton can be used to make paper but I don't think they buy rags anymore.

8 posted on 04/15/2012 2:00:41 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

P&T came to the same conclusion that only metals recycling held anything of value. Melting and recasting/rolling metal is much cheaper than digging and processing new ore. Everything else is Bullsh!t!


9 posted on 04/15/2012 2:01:20 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SoFloFreeper
I remember reading a paper back int eh late 1970s or 1980s where someone did am expending resources/energy calculation on recycling. They found it burned far more energy and created far more waste by- products trying to recycle old plastic products rather then destroying and making new ones.
10 posted on 04/15/2012 2:04:06 PM PDT by Reily
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well, well. It took them all this time to figure out that recycling, in some significant part, is a bust. Wonder how many decades it will take them to figure out that trying to manipulate the level of CO2 in the atmosphere is a bust as well?


11 posted on 04/15/2012 2:06:19 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
id' like to see the numbers on that... cullet is an important ingredient in glass manufacturing
12 posted on 04/15/2012 2:09:14 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Reily

Here in Sunrise FL (dws’s district, and home of the Florida Panthers NHL SE Div winner) the city gave every home a giant wheeled 65gal bin (larger than my trash can. Must’ve cost a lot.


13 posted on 04/15/2012 2:10:29 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: SoFloFreeper

A woman in our office expressed her horror, when I threw away a plastic bottle one day.

I told her it takes more energy to recycle a plastic bottle, than it does to make a new one.

How do I know that, she asked?

Nobody pays me for plastic, like they do with aluminum. Sooo...since the cost of a mass produced item, made out of a commodity like plastic, is essentially the cost of energy to produce and ship...it is an easy conclusion to make.

I have similar suspicions that windmills take more energy to produce, than what they will ever generate.

BTW, she gave me the ‘you just shanked a baby panda’ look, and walked off.


14 posted on 04/15/2012 2:12:59 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
P&T came to the same conclusion that only metals recycling held anything of value. Melting and recasting/rolling metal is much cheaper than digging and processing new ore. Everything else is Bullsh!t!

I would agree except for glass. Why else would glass manufacturers simply send the jars out of bad molds right back to the furnace? Although transportation adds a bit to cost glass is recyclable.

On the other hand, I don't recycle. I refuse to simply give up my material so someone else can make money off of it. If they were to pay me for it I would go through the trouble.

15 posted on 04/15/2012 2:14:45 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Last week I threw a broken wooden chair into the plastic bin because it had a small piece of plastic under it and some enviromental nut pulled it out. I thought, Fine.

When they say plastic they are mental about it.


16 posted on 04/15/2012 2:17:03 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (If you quit you don't get your miracle.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Recycleing cans and bottles is kinda like a welfare work program we pay for it with crv’s deposits and bums a drug addicts collect the stuff from our trash cans and recycle bins and from the streets and take them in for cash most urban areas you will never find a can or bottle anywhere


17 posted on 04/15/2012 2:20:18 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Reily
. They found it burned far more energy and created far more waste by- products trying to recycle old plastic products rather then destroying and making new ones.

And, thus, it is the perfect liberal economic stimulus. Don't forget about the wages of the collectors and sorters. It's all wasted.

My previous employer had become permeated with the recycling disease. They even took away the wastebaskets from our desks to make us cut down on wastepaper (we all put grocery bags underneath them.) When I would occasionally ask if the company was profiting from all this recycling, I would be met with hostile stares.

Decades of recycling propaganda will not be easy to erase.

18 posted on 04/15/2012 2:21:25 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: raybbr

I agree, I think glass is relatively economical to recycle.

It really depends a lot on what you intend to recycle things into. Rubber and plastics are a decent filler for some construction materials like asphalt and concrete.


19 posted on 04/15/2012 2:24:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: lacrew

The state of California charges me 5 cents to drink out of a soda can.

I want (and get) that money back.

Fortunately for me, there’s a can/bottle redemption kiosk not far from where I live.


20 posted on 04/15/2012 2:29:02 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: SoFloFreeper

Here in the Bay Area (CA), we have a MONSTER recycling bin, a MONSTER yard waste bin, and an ITTY BITTY garbage can. The garbage can mostly gets the cat and dog poops, meat scraps, fireplace and BBQ ashes, burned out light bulbs and not much else. They take so much mixed stuff in the recycle bin that it is now our defacto garbage can. It’s actually pretty funny how it’s turned out.

There are three separate trucks that pick up the three different bins. In the good old days, there was one truck to pick up everything. All that extra diesel burned can’t be very good for the environment.


21 posted on 04/15/2012 2:29:56 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SoFloFreeper

Here in the Bay Area (CA), we have a MONSTER recycling bin, a MONSTER yard waste bin, and an ITTY BITTY garbage can. The garbage can mostly gets the cat and dog poops, meat scraps, fireplace and BBQ ashes, burned out light bulbs and not much else. They take so much mixed stuff in the recycle bin that it is now our defacto garbage can. It’s actually pretty funny how it’s turned out.

There are three separate trucks that pick up the three different bins. In the good old days, there was one truck to pick up everything. All that extra diesel burned can’t be very good for the environment.


22 posted on 04/15/2012 2:30:00 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SoFloFreeper
My new home is insulated with Cellulose insulation an organic, loose-fill material made from recycled paper.
A fire retardant is mixed into the cellulose during the manufacturing process and it's blown into the areas of the home where insulation is required. It is considered to be one of the top rated home insulation products on the market today. So recycled paper is put to good use ...
23 posted on 04/15/2012 2:36:21 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: SoFloFreeper

Half of the stuff I put in my recycling bin is pulled back out and left in my yard by the jackasses that are paid to pick it up.


24 posted on 04/15/2012 2:44:02 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: lacrew
I have similar suspicions that windmills take more energy to produce, than what they will ever generate.

Cost more. For every kilowatt of power from wind energy you need backup sources of production when the wind ceases. You cannot reduce the capacity of normal power plants.

25 posted on 04/15/2012 2:52:26 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Reily

Bloomberg came to NYC as its Mayor, 2002 Promptly Stated that Bloomberg did a study where Recyling with its energy and cost is a waste of time... then the Green Mafia gave him an offer he couldn’t refuse..


26 posted on 04/15/2012 2:55:11 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: thecodont
The state of California charges me 5 cents to drink out of a soda can.The deposits that go unclaimed become state funds. It is simply a hidden tax.
27 posted on 04/15/2012 2:56:29 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’ve refused to recycle from the beginning. The dirty little secret is that most recyclables end up in the dump anyway has been known by anyone who wanted to dig since they started it, not to mention the tons of greenhouse gases created picking it up. Recycling was from the beginning mere pandering to the greenies for political capital.


28 posted on 04/15/2012 3:03:05 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: lacrew

A great friend of mine is a retired heavyweight from the environmental department of a major utility. He told me from day one of the recycling craze: “When they start paying you for your trash, then you will know that recycling is a worthwhile enterprise; otherwise, it is nothing but a feel good endeavour designed to appease the greenies.”


29 posted on 04/15/2012 3:08:05 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: BfloGuy

The company I work for did the same thing, and then gave us these little bitty green cans for the “trash I make.” So I stuck a Command hook on the side of the desk, hang plastic bags, and throw it all in the regular trash.


30 posted on 04/15/2012 3:09:59 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The Swedes are late. Al Gore has always been full of crap.


31 posted on 04/15/2012 3:12:37 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think that if you believe all the CO2/GHG stuff, you would want to bury as much paper as possible. Paper is mostly carbon, and all that carbon was extracted from the atmosphere by the mostly farmed trees that it was made from. Same with plastic - putting the oil it was made from back in the ground.

In WWII, scrap metal drives were a net loss in economic terms, but it allowed the people to become personally involved in the war effort, and for that reason it was encouraged. I think modern recycling is mostly about the same thing - giving people a stake in green politics by forcing them to perform this daily ritual. A masterful example of brainwashing.

That said, I save ALL of my aluminium and when I have enough, I take it in a sell it. That’s called “beer money”.


32 posted on 04/15/2012 3:23:10 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: television is just wrong
Recycling has been a leftwing mantra since 1970 after Erf Day. Gaylord Nelson not Algore was the guru then.

It all was based on the fact that recycling aluminum cans was actually a good idea, but the model doesn't fit any other commodity very well, most of them not at all. Tons and tons of "recycled" newspaper end up in landfills every year because there is minimal market for the substance.

33 posted on 04/15/2012 3:33:27 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SoFloFreeper

There are dozens of stories about how recyling has failed or does not work, but right now recyled paper - for newsprint is 126.00 a ton higher (167 vs 41.00)than in the summer of 2009. So if you kept all the newsprint and cardborad boxes for your neighbors, or your city during 2009 you would have made more money than any stock tip. Aluminim cans still fetch 50 cents a pound that aluminum goes into some very important products made in America...like cars.


34 posted on 04/15/2012 3:36:37 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: lacrew
I have similar suspicions that windmills take more energy to produce, than what they will ever generate.
I doubt it. At least we know that the old-fashioned windmills were worth producing, or it wouldn’t have been done. There wasn’t a surplus of energy to waste . . .

IMHO windmills might cost more money per installed kw than fossil fuel-ed or nuclear power plants. But I don’t know that the energy budget for a windmill would be negative. Unless you don’t have a good use for the power when and as it becomes available - as would be the case if you tried to use it for air conditioning, for example.


35 posted on 04/15/2012 3:40:21 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Raycpa

Very good point. In my neck of the woods (Kansas), the utilities are required to have a ‘baseline’ of reliable power available, which equals or exceeds their peak demand.

And, as you might suspect, the Kansas wind has been eyed by the wind warriors.

So we are getting lots of wind farms, and higher power bills.


36 posted on 04/15/2012 3:43:25 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
20 years ago we bought into the recycling craze. Sorted all our glass, plastic, metal and paper products. Started going to the store with those stupid canvas bags.
About once a month I loaded up the pickup truck and took a load up to the local recycling center. This went on for about 6 months until one day I pulled into the center and saw a mountain of trash that had to be at least 20 feet high. The operator of the center came up to me and told me that he couldn't accept my stuff. So I came home with a truckload of trash.
Determined to save the planet, I started making calls and discovered that the company that collected my garbage offered a recycling program. They wanted $500 a month for this service (20 years ago! I was paying $50 a month for a weekly garbage pickup.)
I started to argue with the guy I was talking to. He listened very patiently to my ranting and after a few seconds of silence on his end, he whispered to me that there was no landfill shortage and suggested that I just dispose of all my trash in the conventional manner. I did and I still do.
37 posted on 04/15/2012 3:48:35 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: SoFloFreeper

Last year our local government revealed the fact that they only recycle about 40% of the mass they collect with the recycling trucks.

The other 60% they load back into trucks and haul back across the county to the landfill.

So, not only do they collect more than twice as much as they actually recycle, they more than double the cost of collecting and disposing of the 60% that ends up in the landfill.

Six months after the truth of their flawed recycling program became known they applied for an increase in fees to cover the increased costs of running the program.

To this day they are still collecting tons and tons of recyclables they haul over to the county landfill.


38 posted on 04/15/2012 3:48:42 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Exactly! That was a great show they did on the subject. But the facts don’t matter to true believers. We had an article in our newspaper recently bemoaning the fact that our city isn’t recycling like other cities. Morons.


39 posted on 04/15/2012 3:53:42 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: SoFloFreeper

bfl


40 posted on 04/15/2012 3:56:35 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: cripplecreek

Several years ago, a retired doctor who had worked in the scientific field during his career, told me that there is a fact in usage of materials called “a tiring of materials”. In other words, there is a wearing down of components in machinery from constant usage over a period of years that results in all sorts of accidents and mishaps.

It would seem to me that using metals, or glass, or any material over and over and over would finally result in a weaker and more inferior product. (I look for those recycled plastic bags to finally get so weak after repeated recycling that they’d just get to where they were more holes than bags, and it’s no comfort to think that the jet engine on the plane you’re riding is made from recycled soda can tabs that have been recycled time and again for years.)


41 posted on 04/15/2012 4:01:51 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“Recycled bottles cost glass companies twice as much as the raw materials, “

This isn't exactly true, the glass companies do benefit from recycling, but the environment and the tax payer do not.

It's the total cost and energy that's twice as much using recycled vs raw. It's just the government spends the money & energy instead of the glass company.

It's like if the government sent a limo to drive you to work everyday, yeah sure you'd save a lot in gas money but obviously the environment and taxpayer get screwed over.

Actually recycling glass is silly on its face, because what is glass? Glass is essentially cooked sand.

Sand, the 2nd most common stuff on earth. Only a brain dead Liberal would find recycling sand reasonable.

42 posted on 04/15/2012 4:07:42 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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43 posted on 04/15/2012 4:12:12 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: cripplecreek
Guess Mayor Young got it right for Detroit's trash to energy incinerator. Well he did one thing right in 20 years.
44 posted on 04/15/2012 4:21:24 PM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123, Bahbah, and Just Lori.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

When I found out that every county I have lived in ran its recycling program at a net loss I do not bother. I haul a lot of stuff to the incinerator from my rentals and pay thru the nose to do so. The scrap metal does go to the recycle place in exchange for cash. If they won’t give you money for it it is not worth doing. Now usable furniture I put out to the curb and it seems to vanish quite quickly.


45 posted on 04/15/2012 4:22:45 PM PDT by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

***I just figured glass would be easy to re-melt, and re-use!***

40 years ago, when the recycle movement began, some cities encouraged separating colored and clear glass for recycling. Lots of people did it and felt good.

Then it was found the city was picking up the separated glass and taking it TO THE DUMP! But it made people feel so good!


46 posted on 04/15/2012 4:27:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SoFloFreeper

Twenty years ago one of my liberal college geography teachers did a study on recycling. His conclusion: recycling was a waste of time and money.


47 posted on 04/15/2012 4:29:13 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Twinkie

With metals, once you melt it down, its the same as new, but in some materials the impurities accumulate. Recycled Aluminium for example is never used in aircraft.

Recycled plastics are never made into anything as useful as the source, usually its blocks of hardened crud that can’t even support its own weight, and is used for decks that requires a wood deck underneath for all its support.

And paper, is also always an inferior product, the fibers get broken and shorter fibers make for weaker paper.
It isn’t mentioned here but cardboard boxes are the one form of paper recycling that is not a total waste, you can tell because bundles of scrap cardboard are worth buying to make new products from. Just a couple bucks per ton.


48 posted on 04/15/2012 4:34:41 PM PDT by Hardslab
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To: Malone LaVeigh

What a great story....


49 posted on 04/15/2012 4:42:06 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: al baby

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50 posted on 04/15/2012 4:43:22 PM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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