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Millionaires from Mass. join call to raise their tax rates
Boston Globe ^ | April 16, 2012 | Callum Borchers

Posted on 04/16/2012 4:17:09 AM PDT by GQuagmire

Philippe Villers was a little boy in 1940, when his family escaped from Paris only hours before the Nazi invasion and immigrated to the United States. From the harrowing flight of a wartime refugee, Villers went on to earn degrees from Harvard and MIT and to cofound Computervision, a former Fortune 500 company that made him rich.

“This country has been good to me,’’ Villers, 76, said. “I’d like to do my part to give back.’’

As part of his effort to give back, Villers has made an unusual request to the federal government: Raise my taxes, please.

Villers is one of a handful of Massachusetts members of a national organization called Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength, which supports a 30 percent effective tax rate on million-dollar annual earners under the “Buffett Rule.’’ The Senate will hold a procedural vote on the proposal Monday.

The US tax code’s top income tax rate is 35 percent but imposes only a 15 percent levy on capital gains on investments, where many affluent Americans earn much of their money. Billionaire Warren Buffett, for whom the rule is named, has complained publicly that he pays an effective tax rate of just 17.4 percent, while his secretary pays 35.8 percent.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2012election; buffetrule; crucifyus; election2012; kenyanbornmuzzie; massachusetts; mittromney; usefulrichidiots
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What is wrong with these people?
1 posted on 04/16/2012 4:17:23 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: GQuagmire

Nothing is stopping these twits from making large donations to the federal government where they will be used to fund corrupt crap like “seminars” in Las Vegas and Palm Springs.


2 posted on 04/16/2012 4:26:33 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: GQuagmire

All they have to do is write a check.They do not have to wait for a bill to be passed.

If I were in the Mass. Legislature I would write a bill thanking these Millionaires who belong to this organisation and raising their taxes till they squealed like pigs.


3 posted on 04/16/2012 4:27:37 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: GQuagmire

“Philippe Villers was a little boy in 1940, when his family escaped from Paris only hours before the Nazi invasion and immigrated to the United States. From the harrowing flight of a wartime refugee, Villers went on to earn degrees from Harvard and MIT and to cofound Computervision, a former Fortune 500 company that made him rich.

“This country has been good to me,’’ Villers, 76, said. “I’d like to do my part to give back.’’”

So your parents fled the Nazis just so you can adopt National Socialist philosophy 70 years later?

What a waste of space.


4 posted on 04/16/2012 4:31:39 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm supporting Newt.)
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To: GQuagmire

Hey, Massholes.....you wanna pay more, then pay more and quit mewling about it. Sheesh.


5 posted on 04/16/2012 4:51:05 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: GQuagmire

“This country has been good to me,’’ Villers, 76, said. “I’d like to do my part to give back.’’

So write a check and STFU..
These people are just publicity whores.
If they truly that THEY should pay more to the Government they would just do so and move on.


6 posted on 04/16/2012 4:54:39 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: GQuagmire

Audit them IRS... they are dims... and it is 100% assured that they are cheating on their taxes... exactly as the man does that this legislation was named after has been doing.

LLS


7 posted on 04/16/2012 4:54:53 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES! (accept only the original))
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To: RightOnline

There is a box in the Mass. State Tax return that you can check if you want to pay a higher rate. Almost nobody does.


8 posted on 04/16/2012 4:55:00 AM PDT by AU72
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To: GQuagmire; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE “This country has been good to me,’’ Villers, 76, said. “I’d like to do my part to give back.’’
As part of his effort to give back, Villers has made an unusual request to the federal government: Raise my taxes, please.
Villers is one of a handful of Massachusetts members of a national organization called Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength, which supports a 30 percent effective tax rate on million-dollar annual earners under the “Buffett Rule.’’ The Senate will hold a procedural vote on the proposal Monday.

Boehner and Co in congress sit and say nothing while they are humiliated daily by these Buffetts. Don't they even believe in their own positions? How can they not respond to these? Their silence makes it look like they are protecting these rich libs who are making fun of them.

9 posted on 04/16/2012 5:10:40 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: GQuagmire
What is wrong with these people?

the question is, what's wrong with you? And the answer is, you presume good faith.

these people are shrewdly stepping into the front of the debate with a big flourish of fanfare. Undoubtedly they will have a seat at the table where the laws are written that people who presume good faith will never have.

in other words, you'll pay their fair share.

10 posted on 04/16/2012 5:12:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: AU72

You are absolutely correct - Howie Carr has mentioned it many times - the actual per cent of Bay State mASSholes that check off the box and pay more state taxes is something on the order of .005% of taxpayers! All mouth!


11 posted on 04/16/2012 5:12:13 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: AU72

There is a box in the Mass. State Tax return that you can check if you want to pay a higher rate. Almost nobody does.

EXACTLY! Folks outside the Gay State wouldn't know it but it's true.I once heard from a local Boston talk host that something like 800 people checked that box in some recent year....600 in a state,a very *wealthy* state,of 6 million people.

12 posted on 04/16/2012 5:13:21 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: GQuagmire

Ooops...I meant 800 both times.


13 posted on 04/16/2012 5:16:27 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: GQuagmire

http://www.fms.treas.gov/faq/moretopics_gifts.html

Gifts to the United States Government

How do I make a contribution to the U.S. government?

Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called “Gifts to the United States.” This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs. These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Financial gifts can be made by check or money order payable to the United States Treasury and mailed to the address below.

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

(Put this info on a card - keep them on you - when you bump into someone with the same mindset as the article Millionaires - Hand them a card)

MA also has a state tax return box to pay a higher rate - bet more of them didn’t check it off.


14 posted on 04/16/2012 5:16:49 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: GQuagmire

They`re trying to buy some media love in a socialist America. If, as a part of the hated “1%,” you publicly call for the government to confiscate more of your wealth, suddenly you`re “one of the good ones.”

Yet, we won`t see them stroke a big check to the Dept. of the Treasury.. no, that`d be too low key.


16 posted on 04/16/2012 5:18:33 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: GQuagmire

From the summary: “Billionaire Warren Buffett, for whom the rule is named, has complained publicly that he pays an effective tax rate of just 17.4 percent, while his secretary pays 35.8 percent.”

Buffett may have “complained” publicly that he doesn’t pay enough taxes, but has privately resisted paying his tax burden to the IRS and I suppose we could safely assume he has paid more to his accountants and lawyers in fighting the IRS than his secretary makes in salary.

What a perfect poster child for the consummate hypocrite!


17 posted on 04/16/2012 5:23:01 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So (Once you see the Truth, you cannot "unsee" it, no matter how hard you may try.)
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To: GQuagmire

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7559

Founded in 1981, Families USA (FUSA), originally known as the Villers Foundation, is an influential Washington-based health-care advocacy group “dedicated to the achievement of high-quality, affordable health care for all Americans.”

One of FUSA’s co-founders is Ron Pollack, who currently serves as the group’s Executive Director and Vice President. In 1997, President Bill Clinton appointed Pollack as the sole consumer representative on the Presidential Advisory Commission on Consumer Protection and Quality in the Health Care Industry, where he worked on the Patients’ Bill of Rights. The Hill and National Journal cited Pollack as one of the top nonprofit lobbyists in Washington.

FUSA’s other co-founder, Philippe Villers, is currently the organization’s President. He also serves on the ACLU’s President’s Committee and Amnesty International USA’s Executive Directors Council.

FUSA’s board of directors is composed of numerous leaders from prominent progressive organizations, including:

Mary Kay Henry, President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum and the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, and Chair of Reform Immigration for America
Jarrett Barrios, President of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD)
Kathy Bonk, Executive Director of the Communications Consortium Media Center, which is funded by Public Interest Projects
Gordon Bonnyman, Executive Director of the Tennessee Justice Center
James M. Christian, Sr. of PSI Family Services
Robert Edgar, Co-Chair of Win Without War, former General Secretary of the National Council of Churches, and President and CEO of the George Soros-funded Common Cause
Jeff Kirsch, Vice President of Fight Crime: Invest in Kids.

FUSA has spent tens of millions of dollars, organizing and lobbying for health-care coverage for children and the uninsured. Until 2009, the organization was a prominent supporter of universal government-run health care. When the Democrats abandoned their pursuit of that goal — due in part to the public opposition during the summer of 2009 — FUSA followed suit, receiving harsh criticism from the left for ostensibly abandoning its values.

One of FUSA’s principal projects is the Stand Up For Health Care website, which is aimed to “empower ordinary Americans with the knowledge and opportunity to become leaders in the movement for health care reform.” Besides hosting a blog, the project organizes petitions and letter-writing campaigns to Congress for health-care advocacy.

Each year, FUSA runs a Health Care Action (HCA) conference to promote increased levels of government control over the American health-care system. At the 15th HCA conference in January 2010, guest speaker (and White House Senior Advisor) Valerie Jarrett told the crowd that the fight for new legislation was “not over.” “You have been out there in the trenches working with us every single day,” she said. “On behalf of President Obama, I want to have the pleasure of thanking you. […] I want to reassure you he has not given up on this.”

With the passage of the Democratic health-care reform bill in March 2010, FUSA Executive Director Ron Pollack told the Washington Post: “I’m not worried about the bill. It has its imperfections and there are things we can build on in the future. The immediate concern is implementation. […] It’s implementation that will translate this bill into real health-care reform.”

Pollack also indicated that, if his group were successful, the eventual price tag for the health-care bill would be substantially greater than the Congressional Budget Office had originally predicted:

“[T]here is a large number of people who will be eligible” for funding that the CBO “presume[d] won’t enroll. We’re actually helping to found a new organization to work on this. Its placeholder name is Enroll America, and it will involve all the different interest groups, from supporters of reform like consumers groups to community health centers and doctors and insurers. And what we’ll do is raise tens of millions of dollars for state groups to work with the state to try to create the most effective systems to apply and enroll.”

In 2010, FUSA again partnered with the Obama administration to rehabilitate the image of the unpopular health-care bill with a nationwide PR campaign. Anita Dunn, Obama’s former communications director, and Andrew Grossman, a top Democratic strategist who coordinated grassroots efforts on behalf of health-care reform in 2009, collaborated to build a campaign that would last until 2014; it would consist of “road shows” all across the nation in order to provide federal officials with an advocacy platform to promote the bill. Pollack described this initiative as an effort to shape the media’s perception of health-care legislation. “Those events are intended to be media-centric,” he stated. “We devote a lot of time before and after to meet with editorial boards, to do radio and TV interviews and sit down with local reporters.”


18 posted on 04/16/2012 5:24:43 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Nice find.


19 posted on 04/16/2012 5:32:22 AM PDT by GQuagmire
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To: Venturer

I know back in 2004, MA had a voluntary higher State tax rate. Of course Lurch whom was running for President and calling for higher taxes wasn’t paying the higher rate.


20 posted on 04/16/2012 5:34:27 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: GQuagmire

So tell them to get off their lazy @$$es and write a check!


21 posted on 04/16/2012 5:39:33 AM PDT by conservativegeek (A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow - George S. Patton)
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To: GQuagmire
“This country has been good to me...’’

Then why would you want to help turn it into a Marxist regime like you fled in the 1940's?

22 posted on 04/16/2012 5:42:05 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: GQuagmire

These are people using the media to negotiate prior back taxes demanded by the IRS.


23 posted on 04/16/2012 5:42:10 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: sickoflibs
maybe we outta just pass a ;aw that allows these millionaires to give their money away in any manner they like, including to the gubmint ???

how hard was that argument ???

24 posted on 04/16/2012 5:43:04 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: conservativegeek

Give him a small apartment in southie and give hime 800 dollars a month in walking around money for food, gas, utilities. And take the millions from him.

Then he could feel what it is like to be part of the proletariat class he wanted created.


25 posted on 04/16/2012 5:43:44 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Solyent Pink is Sheeple!!!!)
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To: GQuagmire

We need to find out how much Canada would charge us to take Taxachusetts and Mexifornia off our hands.


26 posted on 04/16/2012 5:43:52 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: GQuagmire
Anyone who's been realizing capital gains of greater than 15% lately is using insider trading to do so.

That and audit insurance as well as immunity from any federal bagmen.

27 posted on 04/16/2012 5:44:49 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: GQuagmire

I’ll lay odds there’s a quid pro quo in all this, just like there is with s##thead Buffett.


28 posted on 04/16/2012 5:45:34 AM PDT by Marathoner (2 goals this year: (1) S##tcan Obamacare; (2) S##tcan Obama)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Yeah..they’ll get their tax rate increased then get double the loop holes written in the increase. Meanwhile the dumb schmuck liberal middle class idiot who also thought this was a good idea will get stuck with a higher rate as well. The worst part is we have to pay for it too.


29 posted on 04/16/2012 5:53:23 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: GQuagmire

IMHO...most “millionaires” today maintain their cash flow through Federal spending mechanisms. They can tell its going to come to a screeching halt very shortly.


30 posted on 04/16/2012 5:56:49 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
RE :”maybe we outta just pass a ;aw that allows these millionaires to give their money away in any manner they like, including to the gubmint ???
how hard was that argument ???

Mine was better, the House should put up a ‘I want to pay my fair share’ bill for a vote that makes it even easier to give their money to the feds and publishing the donors online publicly. And maybe call these millionaires to a house committee to find out how they are avoiding ‘paying their fair share’ while they are crying that they want to.

On one side congressional Republicans got freepers like Gilbo to say ‘Just pay more if you want’ while they themselves hide. On the other side Dems are forcing Senate Republicans to take a vote that looks like they are protecting those same millionaires who are ridiculing them.

What if there was a war and our army (the only one with the real weapons) ran away?

31 posted on 04/16/2012 5:57:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: CommieCutter

David wrote many imprecatory psalms/prayers that his enemies would get caught in the traps they laid for him.


32 posted on 04/16/2012 6:00:17 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Impy

I have heard complaints by the libs on MSNBC that the MSM is not taking this Buffett rule gimmick seriously, actually exposing it as a election year trick.


33 posted on 04/16/2012 6:03:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: GQuagmire
What is wrong with these people?

Nothing's wrong. They know they have the lawyers and accountants that will keep them from paying higher taxes. They know the ultimate goal is to raise taxes on the middle class. People who will not have the means to avoid them.

34 posted on 04/16/2012 6:06:49 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: GQuagmire
Millionaires from Mass. join call to raise their tax rates

Actions speak louder than words. The face of MA millionaires, John Kerry docks his yacht in Rhode Island...WHY? Because the taxes are too high in MA.

35 posted on 04/16/2012 6:07:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: freeangel

> Nothing is stopping these twits from making large donations
> to the federal government

Exactly!

Their lobbyists will see to it that the laws are written carefully enough to provide loopholes that they can use, and that we cannot.

Thieves and liars, all of them.

NO INCOME TAX!!

FLAT SALES TAX AND IMPORT DUTIES NOW!!


36 posted on 04/16/2012 6:14:06 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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37 posted on 04/16/2012 6:16:24 AM PDT by tomkat ( Newt / Sarah)
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To: GQuagmire

You can bet Villers isn’t even checking off the voluntary hight tax rate on his Mass tax forms. He’s just an attention whore who wants bragging rights at the next cocktail party.


38 posted on 04/16/2012 6:16:24 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: AU72
There is a box in the Mass. State Tax return that you can check if you want to pay a higher rate. Almost nobody does.

Right! And I hear that, based on the figures of how many pay the higher rate and what it brings in, the handful that choose to pay it would seem to be making $30,000 or less.

39 posted on 04/16/2012 6:19:09 AM PDT by maryz
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To: GQuagmire

These people who apparently want to pay more can send whatever they want, whenever they want. They are either insane, or they have other motives. What possible motives?

Maybe they are spiteful, evil people who see this as a way to harm competitors or simply other rich people in general? Some people are like that. When they see someone who has more than them, they want to destroy it.

Maybe these people actually stand to gain by changes in the tax rate? I’m no expert, but it seems possible one could make quite a bit of money by shorting dividend paying stocks. Maybe they simply have other investments that could improve if money is pulled from equities?

Or maybe they’re just insane...

Just for the record, here’s the link:

https://www.pay.gov/paygov/forms/formInstance.html?agencyFormId=23779454

It really is quite simple to send the government more money!


40 posted on 04/16/2012 6:22:12 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: GQuagmire

They don’t understand the unfair money grab by government is ruining our economy. Leaving fewer jobs and opportunity.


41 posted on 04/16/2012 6:29:31 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: maryz

The likes of John Kerry certainly don’t. Neither do I. (In addition to the box, at one point you may be asked to figure out your tax rate by multiplying one figure by .053 or
.058. A very small number of people pay at the higher
rate and the folks who advocate higher taxes certainly don’t.

While I’m at it, a couple years ago I was visiting New
Orleans and the talk host down there at Rush Radio, John
Osterlind (who used to do mornings at WRKO) was all over
a certain MA citizen (who lives off his second wife’s
first husband’s trust fund) who, um, didn’t pay taxes
on his boat. Yes, that would be one John Kerry.


42 posted on 04/16/2012 6:35:25 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: GQuagmire
Villers went on to earn degrees from Harvard and MIT and to cofound Computervision

Also no appreciation for the US Constitution, that allows for every individual to live up to their full potential. No where else in history has this happened so many times. Only in America, under the US Constitution.
43 posted on 04/16/2012 6:37:57 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: GQuagmire
The US tax code's top income tax rate is 35 percent

while his secretary pays 35.8 percent

If the top marginal rate is 35%, how does his secretary, or anybody, have a 35.8% effective tax rate?

44 posted on 04/16/2012 6:45:16 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (I <3 PEJSWDTDSOPC)
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To: GQuagmire
To the Millionaires from Massachusetts, it's none of your business what other folks pay in taxes. Pay more on your own if that's your prerogative.
45 posted on 04/16/2012 6:45:41 AM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: GQuagmire

I guess that it would be too much to ask for Phil to just quietly send all of the money he don’t want to the U.S. Government without having to make a big production number out of it. No one is stopping him from doing that. Just shut up and send the check, Phil!


46 posted on 04/16/2012 6:46:42 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare is like a stool sample. You have to pass it to find out what's in it.)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
put up a ‘I want to pay my fair share’ bill

thats really what i was getting at, sarcastically, of course...didnt somebody actually put up a bill like that last yr ???

*IF* these guys werent playin kabuki with the commies, these simple and obvious arguments would be forthcoming en masse, rather than just allowing the talking points to continue to dumb down the electorate...

the simple math of what every man, woman and child in the country has to pay operate the [lack of] budget should be hammered daily, and the people should quickly realize that 100% confiscation of all private wealth wouldnt float the boat into the near future...

we're tossing ourselves, and kids, into the mouth of a hungry beast, and expecting it to be satisfied, and in fact, voluntarily go on a diet ???

most people just ASSume theyll be eaten last...especially those pesky 'millionaires' that have lawyers that are very well paid to hide money, no matter what the rate for everyone else...

even if they cant hide it, the worthless dollars are simply sucked out of the consumer/employee pocket anyways...

Im not a Dr of econ...dont even play one on tv, but the simpe math is really too easy to scream it from the House floor, daily...unless, as you said, the surrender/complicity with evil is a given...

47 posted on 04/16/2012 6:56:20 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
RE :”put up a ‘I want to pay my fair share’ bill .
...
thats really what i was getting at, sarcastically, of course...didnt somebody actually put up a bill like that last yr ???

NO ! Last year I started posting the idea for them in comments, but the Boehner House just loves being whipped so they just hide like frightened mice.

The idea came from a bill Huckabee signed in AK in the early 1990s as governor and I heard about it on Rush's TV show back then and thought it was great idea. It was called the :”Tax me more” bill.

Class warfare is not new, but Republicans unwillingness to fight back is.

48 posted on 04/16/2012 7:12:35 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : "I will just make insurance companies give you health care for 'free, What Mandates??' ")
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To: sickoflibs

Republicans? Where?


49 posted on 04/16/2012 7:39:47 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: GQuagmire
Computervision? Really? Man did that CAD software suck

Go back to France, maybe they can use you at CATIA, another FUBAR package...

50 posted on 04/16/2012 7:43:08 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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