Skip to comments.Here are your presidential choices as it stands today
Posted on 04/16/2012 10:47:55 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Here are their positions on some major issues important to conservatives based on their actual records in government or past boasts.
|Advocated that abortion s/b safe & legal in America||y||y||n|
|Defended Roe v Wade as settled law||y||y||n|
|Advocated for abortion for underage girls without parental approval with judge's ok||y||y||n|
|Supported planned parenthood||y||y||n|
|Introduced $50 taxpayer funded abortion||y||y||n|
|Supports homosexual agenda||y||y||n|
|Better for homosexuals than Ted Kennedy||y||y||n|
|Ok with homosexuals in Scouts||y||y||n|
|Ok with homosexuals in military||y||y||n|
|Supported and still supports global warming hoax||y||y||n|
|Supports gun control (so-called "assault weapons" ban)||y||y||n|
|Supports amnesty for illegal aliens (by any other name it's still amnesty)||y||y||n|
|Is undeniable father of RomneyCare||n||y||n|
|Is undeniable grandfather of ObamaCare||n||y||n|
|Still boasts that RomneyCare is great!||y||y||n|
|Still boasts that RomneyCare is a "conservative solution"||n||y||n|
|Still believes RomneyCare is constitutional||y||y||n|
|Still believes individual mandate ok at state level||y||y||n|
|Believes state forcing individuals to buy health insurance is a conservative idea||n||y||n|
|Believes compulsory health insurance with mandates and penalties s/b imposed on all states at state level||n||y||n|
|Believes compulsory health insurance at state level is constitutional (states rights)||?||y||n|
|Believes the state has constitutional power to force you into a private contract against your will for no other reason than you live there||y||y||n|
|Supports government "stimulus" spending claims more is necessary||y||y||n|
|Believes personal income tax should be cut drastically (15% flat tax)||n||n||y|
|Believes corp income tax should be cut drastically (12.5% corp rate)||n||n||y|
|Believes capital expenditures should be 100% expensed in first year||n||n||y|
|Believes capital gains tax should be eliminated||n||n||y|
|Believes estate tax (death tax) should be eliminated||n||n||y|
|Believes federal government must be drastically cut per constitutional limits||n||n||y|
|Believes unconstitutional federal functions like education should be returned to the states and people per tenth amendment||n||n||y|
|Believes social security/medicare s/b phased out/privatized/returned to states and people||n||n||y|
|Believes everyone at EPA should be fired and start over as an agency to look for solutions/not hinder industry||n||n||y|
|Believes the constitution restricts the government from infringing on inalienable rights||n||n||y|
|Appoints/supports/cowers to liberal activist judges||y||y||n|
|Will challenge activist judiciary||n||n||y|
|Believes in founding principles and has best conservative record to back it up||n||n||y|
Thanks, much!! I’m going to try and enlarge it...my bad eyes...and change the color of “Romeny” - it’s fading into the background somewhat. (May just be my printer :) This is great.
I find fascinating the Romneybots and their constant refrain......but but but he was a governor of a liberal state he had to govern as a liberal.
Why the hell do you think he ran in the first place because he was a liberal that’s why. He could not have even come close to winning a moderate or conservative state.
Romney did NOTHING to advance conservatism in his state, he did advance liberalism because that is who he is.
Let’s accept the premiss that Romney is a conservative just trying to get by in a liberal state, so had to govern that way - why on earth would you want a man for president who can not lead, who cowers behind his desk for fear people might find out he is conservative so governs as a liberal.. ..
No way no how will I stand before my God and say I voted for a man who promoted, by word and deed, cheap abortions and homosexuality.
Have I advocated a candidate?
I observed (on my original post) that Ron Paul was looking better by comparison, but I presume that you are accusing me of endorsing Mittens?
I would be delighted to join the rest of us and try and defeat the enemy to conservatism, Mitt Romney (sic). So why don't you enlighten me, and tell me how to assure the victory of a sincere conservative ?
Otherwise, my points were factual, and meant to augment those provided by Jim's original post. To say there is NO difference, when there are clear differences, is to prevaricate. Conservatives win with the TRUTH, not the twisted, half-truth, misrepresentations favored by Godless socialists. Tell the whole truth, and let those of us with God given conscience decide which points affect our decision.
And please, please please stop putting words I did not say into my mouth. If your arguments are sound, and you are the servant of Christ I hope you to be, you do not need to embellish my post to 'win'.
Romeny is better than obama in one category, so if romney is the nominee i will vote for him.
with romney, nothing will change in the government, but we will at least have another election in 2016. if o is re-elected, this will be our last election, if we even get one this time.
Good for you.
When my children are suffering under the draconian policies of the second Obama Administration, no way no how will I look them in the eyes and say, "Don't blame me! I wrote in Sarah Palin!"
How many deal killers can one candidate possibly assemble? I wish I could vote against Romney more than twice (Primary, General)!
OOPS.. meant to say post 274.. but the link still goes to the correct post :p (7am here and no sleep.. messes with the head ;))
Fine. And a Marxist is just fine?
Yes, there is an excuse for it. Newt is a strong Reagan conservative with many, many conservative accomplishments, even revolutionary conservative accomplishments under his belt, but for whatever reason ran astray a few times. But he’s always snapped right back because he deeply believes in our founding principles and aggressively defends our constitution, believes in enumerated powers, separation of powers, the tenth amendment, the Bill of Rights, our individual sovereignty, our nation, and our God-given inalienable rights.
Romney is NO conservative, never has been, never will be. Has NO conservative accomplishments whatsoever and never will have. All of his accomplishments are liberal, progressive, statist, even fascist. His crowning achievement (RomneyCare) is an unconstitutional, anti-liberty, statist/fascist compulsory health insurance program (see Ronald Reagan on the elites introducing socialism to America through compulsory health insurance), complete with mandates against free citizens and tax penalties against those who refuse to bow to his statist tyranny! And which he still brags about today and which morphed into ObamaCare, and is on the verge of completely destroying what’s left of our constitution and our freedom! And we have no shortage useful idiots pushing to see it done!! Wake up already and recognize the heavy stench of statism!! It’s right under your nose!!
Are we also pretending that Newt has never sinned against conservatism?
That rationalization has always sent chills up my spine! When I would argue this point, I would get looks of cross-eyed bewilderment as a response.
Yes they are, and if we have to kill it then so be it. Romney will not win.Noone listened when they pushed Dole on to the ticket, GW only won because Of Clinton, but then they came back with that vocal right winger(brf) McCain who would have made McGovern look presidential if he had not reached out to Palin.
In any case if the party is not the problem, then it is a problem that elections can't fix.
Haha. You have the wrong guy. Newt lost me when he started talking about hauling judges in front of Congress and colonizing the moon. My vote was for “none of the above”.
Like you, I cannot, and will never support Willard. He can never earn my vote. It isn’t a matter of lacking the desire for solidarity. All we can hope for, as far as the Candidates go, is either for Willard to be accidentally consumed by the world’s largest man, and thus have a race between RP and Newt, or a brokered convention where a mysterious dark horse of some significant quality rises. I’m not holding my breath, either way.
I agree that Rep. Paul should be listed, since he’s a congressman who has 51 delegates. He supports deporting more illegal aliens, but Rep. Gingrich wants to give amnesty to all illegal aliens.
Is this ROMNERY?
MORMONism teachs godS.
And; that MITT can BECOME one!!!
Since Mar 8, 2006
I will never give up. I will never surrender. I will not go quietly.
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto themYe shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depthsthen shall it be written in the Lambs gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
Thank you very much, Bikkuri!! Great job!!
Love it! Tell it like it is!
B..Bb...Bbbbut if we don’t vote for Mittens we’re all gonna die!!!
The Constitution doesn't say much as what we as citizens can do to support our military, but it does give us one primary responsibility; choosing the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces. There is no 'none of the above' with this choice, someone will lead our troops. This is the primary Constitutional role of the President.
Now, if you are going to dismiss Newt over a stupid 'moon' comment or a comment on activist judges that probably was a little knee jerk, that is your choice. You should, however, try to explain the dereliction of your duty to provide our troops with a Commander in Chief who won't stab them in the back. Newt is the best option for that responsibility at this stage of the game.
...and I will repeat myself. 'None of the above' is a dereliction of duty for the one responsibility the Constitution gives the Citizens to our troops. Especially when it leaves them with Obama as Commander in Chief with no future elections to restrain him.
No prob.. and anytime ;)
Well, I was a Cain supporter, and I would vote for Newt 100 times out of 100 between Newt and Mitt. I posted that list because Newt has his flaws as well, regardless of the scale they might be on. I believe Newt is a conservative. I believe Romney wants to be elected. He says the right things (most of the time) but his record said otherwise. I saw another page refer to Romney’s gubernatorial record as “mostly conservative,” which I think is a joke. As I said in a post above, the only thing Romney ever said that I honestly believed was that he hated the Yankees. Everything else he says sounds opportunistic to me.
Like many others (yourself included), I took an oath. Is Romney an enemy? Socially, absolutely, but he’s not an enemy of the country. I do not take Romney at his words, whatever they might be, when it comes to social issues. I have heard people who have converted and understood the evil of abortion, and I don’t believe Romney’s one of them. I do believe, however, that Romney would be much better economically. I do believe that Romney would not populate his administration with Communists and Communist sympathizers. I do believe that he would not sell out our country to the Russians nor would he sell out our allies in Israel. I have no idea what he would do about judges, but if he were elected I hope and pray we could turn Harriet Myers into Samuel Alito again.
I guess what I’m saying is that there are some issues - and very important issues at that - that Romney is clearly head and shoulders above Obama on. Yes, Newt is head and shoulders above Obama on damn near all of them, but barring a miracle he isn’t going to be the nominee. It pisses me off that my primary came and went with no chance for me to vote for Newt or Santorum, but neither was on the ballot. I wasn’t going to vote for Romney or Paul either. That’s life. I’d like a desk job with working A/C, but I’m on a base next to a sewage treatment facility.
Romney buys us time. I also have to believe that he’s smart enough to realize that governing left would be political suicide. Obama doesn’t even care. I need to fight the enemy that’s inside the house before I fight the enemy at the gates.
Nearly identical except Romney is more liberal than even Obama. People want to vote for Romney they should take a look at New York city which is now literally run under Despotism. Mike Bloomberg ran as a Republican and once he won, the mask came off and with it the constitution, individual freedom and individual property. All of it in the trash. The citizen of New york city has absolutely no rights to anything and at any time the Despot can do anything to destroy you. And he has declared himself Despot for life being that he threw term limits out the window.
Romney's God is as phoney as they come....just one of the many cults and false religions who 'counterfeit' Christianity with an imposter Christ.
..... But what makes Romney different then other elected officials running is his high position within the hierarchy of that corporation/church, and they have an independent political agenda all their own for this nation.
It's pretty darn revealing that within the LDS membership Romneys are often referred to as "Royality" among the leadership. That should give anyone pause!
Obama doesn't appear to me to be Christian...or he wouldn't be doing to this country what he's doing concerning the Christian faith he claims......and his Muslim connections are pretty clear...but I figure he has no faith other than himself ..he just uses religious jargon to attract the audiance he is in at the moment.
Romney , however, is absolutely devoted 100% to the LDS agenda....and you can bet the membership and the leadership are pulling strings across the nation and in every area of influence where "their" people hold such positions....not to mention the steady flow of revenue from the membership and leadership.
In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams
I cannot, in good conscience, put up a similar list for Williard.
I fear for our country if Pres_ _ent (I'll give him an ID when he gives me one) Obama gets another four years, but I WILL NOT vote for Williard.
As I said in my post from four years ago, I truly believe that it will take decades, and possibly another CW, to reverse the things, terrible things, that the communist in the white house will do in the next four years.
Huh? What the heck does "Latter-Day Saints" have to do with global warming? That would be me saying "You eat at McDonald's? You must be a Baptist". Talk about bizarroland.
For the record: I'm a Catholic, I have NOT endorsed Mitt Romney, and now only haven't I endorsed him but I was vocally AGAINST him on FR when a bunch of conservatives were falling over themselves to endorse him after Fred Thompson dropped out in 2008.
>> He does not support global warming and we can post the video for you, again, if it would help. <<
I can post a video showing he does believe in global warming and says it's a urgent problem. So you have a video that shows the opposite, how would that help? There are videos of Mitt Romney where he says he's pro-abortion and videos where he says he's pro-life. You guys choose to believe the older videos where he says he's pro-abortion and list that as his current "position", yet you balk when your OWN standards are applied to Newt! Apparently Newt Gingrich has likewise been on both sides of the global warming debate, but you have no problem when he flip-flops:
>> He has stated flatly on FOX roundtable that he was wrong on the mandate approach <<
Again, this differs from Romney how? I liked the mandate back then, but now I think's an awful idea! Please.
>> You see, posting your lies tells us that you don't see anything wrong with lying <<
How am I lying? If you think global warming in a lie, take it up with Newt. He's the one promoting it, not me. Unless you're going to claim the guy in the video blathering on about global warming isn't really him. I suppose a person who looked like him just cut those ads with Nancy Pelosi too?
>> for your religion candidate, <<
Both Newt and Rick Santorum are Catholic, as I am. Again, what the heck are you talking about? Did you do some serious drugs before posting that makes you believe I'm somehow a Mormon when I never even mentioned Mitt OR his religion?
>> so posting links to the videos won't change the mind of a lair for rominy: <<
I don't know who "rominy" is, but if you mean Mitt Romney, I'm consistently OPPOSED him for the Republican nomination and have posts on FR to prove it. So apparently the only "liar" is you.
By the way, I understand Newt was in congress for something like three decades and had something over a 90% life-long conservative rating, finishing with a 98% rating in his last year.
I don’t know if the American Conservative Union rated Romney’s 4 years as governor, but if they did, I’m betting it’s somewhere close to zero.
Please post your list of Romney’s conservative accomplishments while governor. Just curious.
There is some sort of reasoning aberration that is surfaced by this election. However, it may not be so damaging if these “principled” conservative voters at least will vote Repub/Conservative for the candidates other than for P/VP. We may still have a chance to take Congress, and hopefully in numbers that enable an override of Odumbo’s veto.
Jim Robinson ping!
Well, when you put it THAT way......
The post you replied to is but one of many "I'm voting Obama /I hope Obama wins! / etc..." posts I'm seeing here lately. There was a time, it seems, when saying you'd vote for Obama got you zotted immediately.
My how times have changed.
Thank you for the chart image.
Posted it on Newt Facebook page
“Nobody ever said Mitsy was conservative, just more conservative than Obama”
“Prove it. Per his record, he’s every bit as liberal as Obama is”
The fact that Dick Cheney and Paul Ryan have endorsed Mitt. That alone has convinced me to hold my nose and vote for him rather than keep Obama in office like you guys seem keen on doing.
Great graphic by Bikkuri
I hear you, but don’t think we will even get a chance to vote for Newt — who was my early favorite along with Santorum as VP.
The 2012 election is between a Marxist and a Moderate.
So rather than check his record you'll just be a sheep. Got it!
In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams
I remain where I’ve been all along, in the ABOOR crowd. That’s “Anyone But Obama Or Romney”.
I just hope Newt’s still standing when it’s my turn to vote.