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15-Year-Old Texas Boy Charged With Murder In Deaths Of 9 Illegal Immigrants
CBS Houston/AP ^ | April 16, 2012

Posted on 04/16/2012 11:21:50 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: dennisw
papabear!!!!

Yes? And keep in mind that I'm talking about the underclass.

51 posted on 04/16/2012 3:16:10 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

I basically agree with you.


52 posted on 04/16/2012 3:34:41 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

The defining characteristic of the underclass, as distinct from the working poor (that I grew up as a member of), is that the underclass isn’t trying. They don’t see themselves as becoming productive members of society. It must gnaw at them as they realize that they have no value whatsoever to the productive middle class. It’s not surprising that they hate us.


53 posted on 04/16/2012 3:43:44 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

There is no more work for the urban underclass with mothers but an absent baby daddy. They need to be dispersed to the countryside where they can eek out a living off the land. When I was young there was useful factory work for the urban underclass. My father owned such a factory and I worked there during summers. But now there is only burger flipping left and retail and other lo pay jobs.


54 posted on 04/16/2012 3:59:14 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw

The bigger issue is that the current system provides incentives for the underclass to have children, which perpetuates the underclass problem. Remove incentives to have children, by drastically curtailing welfare, and the underclass would have no choice but to do something useful.


55 posted on 04/16/2012 4:18:15 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: livius

I’m not leaving this country - and have no intent to go to Mexico - unlike those illegals here - I’m staying to fix this country - not run over to some other nation - work - violate sovereignty laws and think I can do what ever - and then leave...death and the cause of it is a reality of the choice they made. Mexican gangs and illegals here just working have done far worst than what I’ve said here. Drop a tear for an accident for people here doing what ever they want - yeah - I can assure you they don’t think highly of us - and if you ever been to Mexico - you won’t be treated well unless you have a lot of money to dump on people to take care of you - but once it runs out - there’s no ethics about beating you and leaving you out stranded...I’ve seen it personally -— so no tears from me...choices are made daily - they made theirs - and it was the wrong one...


56 posted on 04/17/2012 7:44:35 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I stated exactly what I meant. No “macho-ism” here. They made a choice to enter and violate a sovereign nation and it cost them their lives. A choice to disregard and operate in the fashion that was the wrong way of going about it. Unlike you, I have seen the dramatic effects that illegal entry has caused - not only to the southern and northern part so the US - but the ceaseless lives lost of US CITIZENS in both the US and also in foreign countries that we either did operate in or are still operating in. The 15 yr old driving - be it for drug runners, out on a student permit, joy riding, or with another adult to learn to drive doesn’t mean he couldn’t have gone on down the road and killed a valid citizen(s) - or a bus load of citizens - but the choices made by illegals doesn’t require sorrow from me. What do even know about those that were even killed...what if they were henchmen going back to Mexico to drag in a bunch more sex slaves into the US? Part of a criminal enterprise to spread illegal drugs around the country - money laundering - which since they are not citizens and aren’t paying taxes - is the same thing...Yeah - I found long ago to appreciate life as one that has put it on the line - as I have multiple times in the War on Drugs (LE) and the War on Terrorism - I’ve gone to places where the “indifference of life” is defined daily and where I throw my support is where those illegals threw theirs...my is in doing what is best for my family in a country I swore an oath to protect - and not crying over a bunch of people who made the wrong choice doesn’t make me some “keyboard macho” or some thug with the mentality of “depraved indifference” to human life! Make a choice you little coward - that’s the problem with the current administration and the general US Public - not doing what is right despite the lives that will be ultimately changed. Sit around and complain without doing anything! Either we, as a nation, get it TOGETHER - or more stupid events like this van load of illegals will turn more deadly for those that have the right or earned the right to be in the US. When your life is put on the line - when your family is effected - I’m sure your general respect for life will be tested. I’m not proud of my feelings - but after 4 tours in that little sewer of a sand box we call Iraq - I saw a bunch of lives wasted over boarder crossings - been to Ft Hauchuca AO lately? The Nogales Area - a complete mess down there...I’m for preserving the US - not worrying about illegals who think nothing about you or me - or anyone else but what they can get - that’s their choice - and if I care not - that’s mine....morality and unlawful has a tenacity to spawn greater infliction into societies. Wars usually happen when feel good decisions are trusted forward rather than paying attention to the indicators of what eventually happens! It’s a historical approach that has repeated itself all too often...

Do you know now?


57 posted on 04/17/2012 8:06:23 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Truth29

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“If someone is here ILLEGALLY - then it doesn’t count!”

Was this removed? Apparently - you have it in your comment to my comment...but yet here it is...what ever happened to Freedom of Speech...I mean the ) supporters stated that it was perfectly fine to issue a bounty on that Zimmerman guy down in Florida - stated it was their Freedom of expression or something like that -— then I say illegal is illegal - so what — it’s a statement...and they delete it!?!


58 posted on 04/17/2012 8:12:31 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: Uriah_lost

Yes, I had forgotten about that angle.


59 posted on 04/17/2012 11:00:33 AM PDT by Pecos (In God we trust. All others - bring data.)
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To: BCW
What we have in common is that we both see this reality: that the flagrant, massive non-enforcement of border security and turning the blind eye to the escalating consequences --- these are things which endanger our country.

A lot of people are suffering: including our own jobless young-male citizens, whose employability is relentlessly undercut by illegals; including sweating men who die in overcrowded, overturned vans; including weary hungry people who are raped and beaten, starved and dehydrated to death in the Sonoran desert.

Some of them are victims and victimizers at the same time, some of them are just needy and naively misled, and some are as bone-ugly-wicked as they come. --- and yes, sometimes they die pursuant to their own stupid, unlawful choices: but it’s horrifying and pathetic nevertheless.

I’m not looking for freebies and justifications for the lawbreakers, but there’s no satisfaction in seeing their bones smashed. A decent person has a decent regard for the living and the dead.

But you know that.

60 posted on 04/17/2012 3:03:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Honest to God.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Because I have chosen a side and stand for the principles of duty and sacrifice - upholding the law and a standard - I’m not a decent person because I do not feel sorry for a bunch of illegals who continually cross our boarders - commit crimes - be it violent or non-victim - because what ever they do - they have at least committed one crime, if not more.

I have put my life on the line for the Constitution more times and have been engaged in life and death struggle against enemies of this country that care not for those - like you and me - and therefore I have learned to PICK A SIDE! They have - and I can tell you - they want you to be sorry - shed a tear for their cause to wear you down and hopefully say - the human lives cost is more than international and sovereignty laws to come down at the end and say get rid of borders...

I am a decent person - you know nothing about me or what I’ve done for this country - and NO - I WILL NEVER FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE WHO BREAK THE LAW AND GET HURT OVER IT!!!

They put that boy in the drivers seat because he was a juvenile - and if they got caught - he wouldn’t get into that much trouble - THEY MADE THE CHOICE AND IT COST THEM THEIR LIVES! The choices they made were ALL ILLEGAL -

I love when people like you run around and half commit - I’m sure you did stuff to Support the Troops because it made you feel good during the hey day of care packages and what not -— but troops over there (as I was one of them) saw that the US Public on my various trips back home after 7 to 14 months serving in Iraq - went on with their little lives and cared not what was goign on overseas...because they had their little yellow stickers on their cars - their kids wrote little letters to be placed in care packages - or they donated some cookies to a group sending over supplies...they did their little feel good part - and then went on with their lives -— where was THE SACRIFICE?

What makes you a qualifier of judging people? What’s your background other than supporting an idea. I’ve acted on my principles - I’ve been them to the test by going out there and risking my life for this nation...I’ve learned not to feel sorry for people who do dumb things!!!...or make judgmental comments about people they know nothing about...

Good day Ma’am.


61 posted on 04/18/2012 4:49:01 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: BCW
I meant my last communication to express agreement with you to the fullest extent possible, and also to acknowledge what a pathetic thing it is when nine people die in a vehicle catastrophe. The one (agreement with you) does not exclude the other (pity for the dead.)

You don't know one single thing about me or my family or our sacrifices, so I will pass over your other remarks in silence.

You have a good day, too.

62 posted on 04/18/2012 5:44:57 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Honest to God.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This was your last comment to me:

“A decent person has a decent regard for the living and the dead.

But you know that. “

And since I did not regard their lives - I’m not decent - how is that agreeing with me?

Yes - you are right I know nothing about you or your family - or sacrifices - but you approached me with a question on your first response and I gave it. You didn’t like it - and was something you were not prepared for...and for this you walk away...

Before laying down criteria on someone - prepare yourself mentality and without emotion for whatever response may come your way.


63 posted on 04/18/2012 11:56:38 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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