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George Zimmerman afraid of being killed in jail: lawyer
NY Post ^ | 4/16/12 | DOUGLAS MONTERO

Posted on 04/16/2012 6:20:39 PM PDT by Nachum

Edited on 04/16/2012 7:18:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Ken H
On what charge? It's only if Zimmerman is convicted in FL that Federal hate crime laws come into play.

My goodness..I've never even been to law school and I know that that's wrong.Can you tell me what happened to the cops involved in the *original* Rodney King matter after they were acquitted of all charges by a California state jury? I'll give you a hint...the name "Reno" comes into play.

And BTW...we wouldn't be talking *just* about hate crimes...think "violation of civil rights".

51 posted on 04/16/2012 7:54:39 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Nachum

Some of the comments support that view as well. Lock and load fellow Freepers.


52 posted on 04/16/2012 7:58:16 PM PDT by mykroar (Please be aware any /sarc tag is for the lurkers, not the Freepers.)
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To: ezcritter
Poor little crybaby. He is a big man while he has a gun in his hands. Hope he gets just what he gave.

Al Sharpton,is that you?

53 posted on 04/16/2012 7:58:45 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: ezcritter
Uh, this is FR, not DU.

Do you have an issue with our God Given Right to Self Defense, or do you like having your face beaten in while you're pinned to the ground?

Looks like you're going to be very popular tonight.

54 posted on 04/16/2012 7:59:45 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: cherry

If Zimmerman was on the street, the authorities could not protect him from very motivated people interested in that Black Panther award.

Assuming he’s in protective custody, he’s as safe as he can be.


55 posted on 04/16/2012 8:01:50 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: GOPJ

This forum has its share of those who want his scalp also.


56 posted on 04/16/2012 8:03:22 PM PDT by sport
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To: ezcritter
Uh, this is FR, not DU.

Do you have an issue with our God Given Right to Self Defense, or do you like having your face beaten in while you're pinned to the ground?

Looks like you're going to be very popular tonight.

57 posted on 04/16/2012 8:06:23 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

In the Rodney King case the Feds didn’t move in until after the innocent verdict was issued on the local charges. Perhaps the best outcome for Zimmerman might be to have a state case drawn out until after Jan 20, 2013 when Holder won’t be around to use him as a political football.

If a lame-duck Holder; i.e., after an Obama loss, gets impatient and attempts to indict before the state is done, it would be really, really juicy for the incoming DOJ to withdraw Federal charges just like he did in the NBPP voter intimidation case. Of course, I’m just dreaming. :)


58 posted on 04/16/2012 8:16:20 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Cicero
Politicians appear to face an almost irresistable temptation to jump into any controversy on the side they believe will offer them advantage. A rather unattractive quality, I'd say, but widespread.
59 posted on 04/16/2012 8:22:48 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ezcritter

Have you always been a big, f’in idiot. Do us a favor and leave FR. DU will love you I’m sure.


60 posted on 04/16/2012 8:23:38 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Ken H
Recall the Rodney King police trial. The police who were involved stood criminal trial and were acquitted down the line. The Fedgov stepped in, filed charges of "depriving King of his civil rights," got a federal grand jury indictment, a kangaroo jury to convict them, and they were put away for years--may still be behind bars for all I know.

Zimmerman is screwed, one way or the other. Sad but inevitable.

61 posted on 04/16/2012 8:31:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Jonty30

You completely misunderstood: I meant “Jailbait” to apply to the very, very, very youthful-looking Judge in the picture, not the defendant.


62 posted on 04/16/2012 8:32:16 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: Gay State Conservative
My goodness..I've never even been to law school and I know that that's wrong.Can you tell me what happened to the cops involved in the *original* Rodney King matter after they were acquitted of all charges by a California state jury?

Yes. I believe they were charged with violation of civil rights under color of authority.

And BTW...we wouldn't be talking *just* about hate crimes...think "violation of civil rights".

So show me the statute.

63 posted on 04/16/2012 8:35:05 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

[[Isn’t that the white supremacist who stalked and murdered that toddler?]]

no no- it was trhe white supremacist serial killker who was high on crack, heroine, and meth who snatched the toddler out of his mother’s arms in order to kill him in cold blood


64 posted on 04/16/2012 8:35:15 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: lightman

Then you are quite correct. I can see a few career criminals commit petty crimes just to be sentenced by her.


65 posted on 04/16/2012 8:37:42 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

[[I have doubts he is going to be killed. At the PRESENT he is too valuable for political reasons]]

you are assuming that hte seething ravenous rabid left are smart enough to keep him alkive for political purposes- especially the left that are in prison and and hwo afre chomping at hte bit to take out htis white hispanic

I’ve said it fro mthe beginning- ‘How hte hell is hem ore safe in a prison full of racists who will be herll bent on destroying the object of their fears’?


66 posted on 04/16/2012 8:38:42 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SoFloFreeper

it is fine to know the law, but a judge can spin a case. (just look at kagan acting as a second lawyer during the government’s turn before the USSC oral arguments on healthcare)

I am curious to see what happens during the recusal.


67 posted on 04/16/2012 8:40:34 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Zimmerman is screwed, one way or the other. Sad but inevitable.

No, it's not inevitable at all.

As for federal charges, they would have to establish he was acting under color of authority, which makes this case different from the Rodney King case. I'm not a lawyer, but that's my understanding.

68 posted on 04/16/2012 8:40:59 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Godebert; ezcritter

He probably needs to cut down on the Ripple.


69 posted on 04/16/2012 8:52:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Nachum

Zimm shouldn’t even be in jail. This is a travesty, along with Angela Corey. She is a coward who did nothing but kick the can down the road. Zimm won’t get a fair trial and REGARDLESS the outcome the blacks with trash and burn Florida anyway. If Zimm ‘loses’, the blacks will go out and riot like they do when their basketball teams win.


70 posted on 04/16/2012 8:54:01 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: TigersEye

Looks like it was a drive-by trolling.


71 posted on 04/16/2012 9:20:04 PM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Gay State Conservative; hinckley buzzard
After petitioners, Los Angeles police officers, were acquitted on state charges of assault and excessive use of force in the beating of a suspect during an arrest, they were convicted under 18 U.S.C. § 242 of violating the victim's constitutional rights under color of law.

-- Koon v. United States (94-1664), 518 U.S. 81 (1996)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/94-1664.ZS.html

72 posted on 04/16/2012 9:20:20 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Defiant

It appears to post some cowardly screed about once or twice a month. It’s the safe way to troll. lol


73 posted on 04/16/2012 9:32:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Zimmerman better watch out for the black moslums who are probably affiliated with the panthers. He needs to always watch his back and remember that they can eventually get to him no matter where he is inside the prison.
74 posted on 04/16/2012 9:53:13 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Where do you suggest he be, on the street where he would have no protection whatsoever?


75 posted on 04/16/2012 10:12:34 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Nachum
Guilty or innocent of 2nd degree murder, Zimmerman has been chosen as a sacrifice to black America. A little less obvious than dragging him up to the top of a volcano, but the same result for him in the end.

The churning black underclass and those in the political class that feed on their energy must be fed.
76 posted on 04/16/2012 10:20:24 PM PDT by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: Doe Eyes

I think he is in jail..not prison. Of course there are “post trial” convicted people waiting to be moved to prison...but most are more than likely “pre-trial” not guilty until convicted folks.

As sad as it is..he is safer in solitary than he would be with the general population.

The article says there is a bail hearing set that might allow him to bond out.

But what then? He is in serious danger, no matter where he is.


77 posted on 04/16/2012 10:29:04 PM PDT by berdie
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To: the_Watchman
The police in the Rodney King case were convicted under 18 U.S.C. § 242, violating the victim's constitutional rights under color of law.

What federal statute would apply to Zimmerman if he has not first been convicted in a FL court?

78 posted on 04/16/2012 10:39:22 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: TigersEye
It looks to me like Zimmerman opens himself up to federal hate crime charges if he plea bargains to a lesser offense. And the lesser the penalty, the more the doj will be pressured to step in.

If I'm in his shoes, I go all out for innocence and let the chips fall.

79 posted on 04/16/2012 11:01:57 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Ken H

I don’t see how that happens at all. But I don’t think he should plea bargain. The case is pathetically weak and would be even for manslaughter. IMO he should fight it on simple grounds of self defense.


80 posted on 04/16/2012 11:26:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Mama Shawna
It isn't nit picking on your part Mama, it is simply expressing the need for proper and effective communication.

One of my hot buttons here on FR are these bloody idiots who (after decades of opportunities to LEARN) continue to misspell the name of the greatest President of the 20th century, Ronald Wilson Reagan!!

Over and over again, they spell it *REGAN* as if they can't tell the difference between the Commander-in-Chief and the SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY, know what I mean?

Let the word go out: RESPECT our 40th President, SPELL HIS NAME CORRECTLY!!

(thank you very much)
81 posted on 04/17/2012 1:06:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: ezcritter
Poor little crybaby. He is a big man while he has a gun in his hands. Hope he gets just what he gave.

Hope you get what your daddy gave your mama, a brown stain on the mattress!
82 posted on 04/17/2012 1:09:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: Cicero

And did you see Scott still blabbering on about “Justice for Trayvon” in an article posted today on FR?
Also saying a task force is looking at the stand your ground and self defense laws in FLA?
This wussy so called Republican trying to be a favorite of the media and liberals will FAIL because he’ll lose his own base. He’s too dumb to realize it.


83 posted on 04/17/2012 5:30:05 AM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I must be gettin' old.
That girl looks like she should be on spring break somewhere.

sigh

84 posted on 04/17/2012 5:33:24 AM PDT by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: Nachum

The urgency to kill him must be high, rather than risk finding him not guilty. Either way, there will be violence and looting.


85 posted on 04/17/2012 5:50:51 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Two of the 4 officers were convicted. They’ve both served their terms.


86 posted on 04/17/2012 5:59:09 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Ken H
I'm no lawyer and,I assume,you're not either so...

Are there any lawyers out there who can explain to us what,if anything,Attorney Corporal Holder's Department of Just Us might be able do to Mr Zimmerman in this matter???

87 posted on 04/17/2012 6:05:22 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Ken H

18 USC 249


88 posted on 04/17/2012 6:09:25 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: the_Watchman
In the Rodney King case the Feds didn’t move in until after the innocent verdict was issued on the local charges. Perhaps the best outcome for Zimmerman might be to have a state case drawn out until after Jan 20, 2013 when Holder won’t be around to use him as a political football.

I'm no lawyer but it's hard for me to imagine that *jury selection* will even be complete on election day...if not later.

If a lame-duck Holder; i.e., after an Obama loss, gets impatient and attempts to indict before the state is done, it would be really, really juicy for the incoming DOJ to withdraw Federal charges just like he did in the NBPP voter intimidation case. Of course, I’m just dreaming. :)

If Osama Obama loses (Lord,hear our prayer) and Zimmerman has,by some miracle,been acquitted before 1/20/13 it's hard for me to imagine the Attorney Corporal NOT indicting Zimmerman.In fact,I can absolutely see him,under those circumstances,indicting Zimmerman even before the FL case has been completed.Remember,we're talking about pure psychopaths here...disciples of Saul Alinsky and Bill Ayers.

89 posted on 04/17/2012 6:17:42 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: TigersEye
I don’t see how that happens at all. But I don’t think he should plea bargain. The case is pathetically weak and would be even for manslaughter. IMO he should fight it on simple grounds of self defense.

IMO (my *very* strong opinion) the bottom line is this...in a state trial,at least...if there's a single Hispanic person on the jury the best the prosecution can hope for is a hung jury.If there's a single black person on the jury the best the *defense* can hope for is a hung jury.

Assuming Zimmerman speaks Spanish I think he'd be wise to get as much coverage as possible from Spanish TV/radio stations all over Florida (in case of change of venue).Jury "tampering"? Probably.But what's the other side been doing since getting their marching orders from Osama Obama Victory 2012 Headquarters????

90 posted on 04/17/2012 6:28:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: snarkytart
And did you see Scott still blabbering on about “Justice for Trayvon” in an article posted today on FR?

No, I missed that one. But it doesn't surprise me after what I've seen so far. I thought he was better than Crist, but evidently he's just another stupid Republican who thinks he can make himself popular by embracing the other side.

As governor, his responsibility is to enforce the law fairly, not to twist it for photo ops. Another RINO to be shoveled out with the garbage.

91 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:20 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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