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Report: Pilot mistook Venus for aircraft, plunged plane toward Atlantic
foxnews.com ^ | 4/17/12 | NewsCore

Posted on 04/17/2012 11:45:59 AM PDT by onlylewis

An Air Canada pilot mistook the planet Venus for another aircraft and plunged his plane towards the Atlantic Ocean to avoid a collision.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04/17/16-injured-after-pilot-mistakes-venus-for-aircraft-plunges-plane-toward/?test=latestnews#ixzz1sKAemkMr

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: astronomy; catastrophism; flight; plane; ufo; venus
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It's a bird , it's a plane oh H@$$ no it's Venus!!!!!!
1 posted on 04/17/2012 11:46:08 AM PDT by onlylewis
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To: onlylewis

Well, he missed it didn’t he?


2 posted on 04/17/2012 11:47:52 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: onlylewis

Flying at night is a strange experience in which perceptions of position and motion can become seriously distorted. It has to be experienced to be properly appreciated.


3 posted on 04/17/2012 11:49:40 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: onlylewis
At least it wasn't Uranus.

:|

4 posted on 04/17/2012 11:50:37 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
It has to be experienced to be properly appreciated.

JFK, Jr. probably appreciated it once it was too late.

5 posted on 04/17/2012 11:51:55 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: onlylewis

PILOT:"YIKES"

CO-PILOT:"WAT DA_"

PILOT:"oh that was venus?"

CO-PILOT:"^%*$^(*&...ya know where uranus is?"

6 posted on 04/17/2012 11:53:51 AM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: onlylewis

Pilots have been ‘dodging’ planets for a long time.


7 posted on 04/17/2012 11:54:41 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: ArrogantBustard

happened to a Kennedy in fact.


8 posted on 04/17/2012 11:56:19 AM PDT by brivette
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To: onlylewis

One morning I shot a planet in my pajamas. How it got into my pajamas I’ll never know.

Thanks, Groucho!


9 posted on 04/17/2012 12:00:41 PM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama Can't Count.)
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To: rogue yam

“Well, he missed it didn’t he?”

Probably like he misses his ex-wife!


10 posted on 04/17/2012 12:00:55 PM PDT by equaviator
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To: Doogle

At least he didn’t bail out.


11 posted on 04/17/2012 12:01:04 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: ArrogantBustard
Flying at night is a strange experience in which perceptions of position and motion can become seriously distorted. It has to be experienced to be properly appreciated.

The thing I don't understand is how he would see Venus when flying east (Toronto to Zurich) in the evening over the Atlantic. Venus is high and bright in the western sky right now. It's visible from sunset until maybe midnight or so. How would he think this was an oncoming plane if he was flying east?

12 posted on 04/17/2012 12:01:31 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: onlylewis
I do that all the time flying.
Venus looks just like a 747.
I cut back on the Jack and Venus is a little ole piper cub. . . .
13 posted on 04/17/2012 12:01:41 PM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: rogue yam

I guess as long as he keep missing all the planets including earth he ain’t THAT bad.


14 posted on 04/17/2012 12:03:25 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You sure don’t want anything flying into uranus. That’s for damn sure.


15 posted on 04/17/2012 12:07:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
By the time he realized that he was in way over his head, he was already screwed. He probably should not have gone flying that night.
16 posted on 04/17/2012 12:08:43 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: onlylewis

Yeah, but hasn’t this happened to all of us?


17 posted on 04/17/2012 12:11:23 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ArrogantBustard

John-John had broken his leg/ankle only a few weeks earlier, had just switched from a large cast.

I’m guessing the wife and sister-in-law had no clue a pilot also steers with his feet.

Would they have gotten in the plane with him otherwise?


18 posted on 04/17/2012 12:23:38 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Voter#537

I’m not a pilot, but have trouble understanding why someone with the qualifications to fly for Air Canada could have made this mistake. Don’t commercial pilots receive any kind of “situational awareness” training for bright astronomical objects? What about the man’s own years of experience? Yes, Venus is bright right now, but surely he has seen planets before. Didn’t he notice Venus pretty much in the same patch of sky last week or last month? It doesn’t move *that* fast.

If pilots are trained never to look at anything but their own instruments, why give them windows in the first place?


19 posted on 04/17/2012 12:28:09 PM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Venus is high and bright in the western sky right now.

Where was Venus in the sky when this occurred in January 2011?

20 posted on 04/17/2012 12:31:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Romulus
I am not a pilot either. I was just trying to be funny.
Next time I fly commercial I will ask the pilot (before we take off) if he or she knows the difference between Venus & a 747.
21 posted on 04/17/2012 12:36:46 PM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: ArrogantBustard
TCAS!!!! WHAT TCAS????

To avoid what he thought was an imminent collision, the first officer overrode the auto-pilot by forcefully pressing on the control column, pushing the passenger jet into a dive.

The investigation found that the first officer, who had been asleep for about 75 minutes, was suffering "sleep inertia" magnified by fatigue. The report notes flight crews did not fully understand the risks associated with fatigue, nor were they following standard procedures for "strategic napping," which is normally of 40 minutes duration.

22 posted on 04/17/2012 12:39:01 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Ahhhh.... That’s the problem. I was thinking this happened in Jan 2012. So this story is 15 months old.


23 posted on 04/17/2012 12:47:14 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: onlylewis
Man in Black: No other object as been misidentified as a flying saucer more often than the planet Venus.

Roky Crikenson: Really?

Man in Black: Even the former leader of your United States of America, James Earl Carter Jr., thought he saw a UFO once, but it's been proven he only saw the planet Venus.

Roky Crikenson: I'm a Republican.

Man in Black: Venus was at its peak brilliance last night. You probably thought you saw something up in the sky other than Venus, but I assure you, it was Venus.

Roky Crikenson: I know what I saw.

Man in Black: Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. Yet you somehow brazenly declare seeing is believing? Mr. Crikenson, your scientific illiteracy makes me shudder, and I wouldn't flaunt your ignorance by telling anyone that you saw anything last night other than the planet Venus, because if you do, you're a dead man.

Roky Crikenson: You... can't threaten me.

Man in Black: I just did.

--From Episode 3X20 of The X-Files, "Jose Chung's From Outer Space"

24 posted on 04/17/2012 12:52:22 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace, peace," but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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To: onlylewis

How did Venus fly that high without arms?

-PJ

25 posted on 04/17/2012 12:57:48 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
According to the article, the incident occurred in January, 2011.

The "news" is the release of an incident report.

26 posted on 04/17/2012 12:57:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Thanks! That explains it alright. My error.


27 posted on 04/17/2012 1:04:20 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: A.A. Cunningham
TCAS may have been a contributing factor, oddly enough:

At the same time, a U.S. air force Boeing C–17 was coming from the opposite direction about 300 metres below them. The approach sparked cockpit alerts, which the captain mentioned to his groggy flight officer.To avoid what he thought was an imminent collision, the first officer overrode the auto-pilot by forcefully pressing on the control column, pushing the passenger jet into a dive.

So ... groggy co-pilot awakes to "TRAFFIC ... TRAFFIC ... TRAFFIC", sees Venus and dives to avoid, when (if anything) he should have climbed to avoid. The C-17 was below them. Letting anyone sleep near the controls is insane ...

28 posted on 04/17/2012 1:08:56 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

She was joining the Milo High Club ...


29 posted on 04/17/2012 1:10:36 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; treetopsandroofs

Obviously, you didn’t read Post 18. 8-)


30 posted on 04/17/2012 1:12:13 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
<> Why do you think they fell off?
31 posted on 04/17/2012 1:13:30 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Anyone can fib. It takes an intellectual to tell a really big lie.)
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To: Romulus
It doesn’t move *that* fast.

Pilots are trained about a trick: if an object is moving a bit left, right, up, or down in their field of vision, they are safe. If an object hangs in the same spot in their field of vision they are on a direct collision course and must act! The pilot's actions were reasonable under the circumstances. If it really was an airplane he had a fraction of a second to react, not time to ponder what it might be.

This field of vision trick works in many circumstances. When landing, the spot lined up on the windshield that is neither rising or falling is the spot the aircraft will touch down. If the top of a mountain range is slowly moving down it means the airplane will clear it. A sailor can also tell if two boats are on a collision course by this same field of vision effect.

32 posted on 04/17/2012 1:22:35 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: ArrogantBustard
"She was joining the Milo High Club ..."

You may leave now.

33 posted on 04/17/2012 1:27:06 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Reeses

Mariners know all about that same trick. When I said Venus doesn’t move that fast, I was talking about its track through the ecliptic. If it was a morning star rising 90 minutes before the sun three weeks ago (for example), its status is not that different now. The point being that those who fly regularly you’d think would have the general whereabouts of these things in the backs of their minds. Perhaps the presence of other traffic near by, combined with the grogginess of sleep, overrode this.


34 posted on 04/17/2012 1:53:03 PM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: onlylewis

I had a roommate back in the 80s who had crazy friends.

I heard a story about them once that was similar to this - they were driving down the freeway one night and the driver suddenly stopped the car. The others yelled at him because he stopped, but he claims that he saw an aircraft carrier in the road.

Turns out it was an overpass.

Kids, drinking and driving is dangerous.


35 posted on 04/17/2012 2:10:43 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: ArrogantBustard

Speaking as a retired fighter pilot, I verify that statement as absolute truth.


36 posted on 04/17/2012 2:11:17 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Upstate NY Guy

A bright light that remains relatively motionless on the canopy means (if it is indeed an aircraft of some sort) the object is on a collision course, be it coming straight at you or from the sides.


37 posted on 04/17/2012 2:13:40 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: onlylewis
"An Air Canada pilot mistook the planet Venus for another aircraft and plunged his plane towards the Atlantic Ocean to avoid a collision."

This wouldn't be one of those 'near misses' everybody's always taking about, would it?

Take two: Missed it by that much. Sorry about that, Chief...

38 posted on 04/17/2012 2:29:47 PM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: ArrogantBustard
LOL!

-PJ

39 posted on 04/17/2012 2:30:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: tbpiper
Pilots have been ‘dodging’ planets for a long time.

Never seen any of them miss Earth.

40 posted on 04/18/2012 6:17:03 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Upstate NY Guy; ArrogantBustard
The thing I don't understand is how he would see Venus when flying east (Toronto to Zurich) in the evening over the Atlantic.

"The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. "


41 posted on 04/18/2012 6:24:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: ArrogantBustard
It has to be experienced to be properly appreciated.

Nothing like being in the air, and feeling SO LOST you don't even know where the Planet is.

42 posted on 04/18/2012 6:46:45 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; UpStateNY
Venus is high and bright in the western sky right now.

Where was Venus in the sky when this occurred in January 2011?

I am thinking it was right in front of that plane.

43 posted on 04/18/2012 6:50:05 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Well, you’re not flying east, you’re flying Northeast, maybe NNE, and you’re on the left (NW side, maybe WNW side) of the deck. You could see Venus from there over your left shoulder, especially since Venus has been a little north of due west..


44 posted on 04/18/2012 7:01:54 AM PDT by cookcounty (We need Newt. The Black Belt Jaw-jitsu Master!)
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To: cookcounty
Ooops January, 2011. Never mind.
45 posted on 04/18/2012 7:04:28 AM PDT by cookcounty (We need Newt. The Black Belt Jaw-jitsu Master!)
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To: cookcounty
That's a good answer, Cookcounty. But it turns out I misread the original article. The incident actually occurred 15 months ago - Jan 2011. And Venus was in the east (morning sky) during that time. I guess it takes a long time to complete the investigation and incident reports, which makes sense considering the gravity of these situations.
46 posted on 04/18/2012 7:15:16 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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Thanks onlylewis. An “extra, extra” ping to the APoD list members.


47 posted on 04/20/2012 8:29:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; ...

Pinging the UFO/UAP list as a FYI!

Odds of Finding Alien Life Boosted by Billions of Habitable Worlds.
By Nola Taylor Redd | SPACE.com – Sat, Apr 28, 2012

http://news.yahoo.com/odds-finding-alien-life-boosted-billions-habitable-worlds-122420222.html


48 posted on 04/29/2012 2:48:41 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("All 57 states must stand together and defeat O-bozo! VOTE the usurper out!!")
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To: onlylewis

49 posted on 04/29/2012 3:04:48 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Pity the pilot who doesn’t know Uranus from hole in the ground.


50 posted on 04/29/2012 3:24:45 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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