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California’s Proposed Tax Hikes
Napa Whine Country ^ | 4-17-2012 | Tom Thurlow

Posted on 04/17/2012 2:33:20 PM PDT by reformedcrat

Never underestimate the anti-tax wrath of California voters. Years ago, Californians were struggling under higher and higher property taxes that were continually getting reassessed and raised, and at one point they had had enough. In 1978, Proposition 13 was proposed to cap property taxes and limit reassessments, and it passed with a huge margin despite a firestorm of opposition from every politician around. The author and chief proponent of Prop 13, gadfly Howard Jarvis, became a minor celebrity and helped author similar ballot measures in other states.

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KEYWORDS: california; jarvis; munger; taxes
I'm sick, sick, sick of California's answer to budget woes.
1 posted on 04/17/2012 2:33:38 PM PDT by reformedcrat
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To: reformedcrat
In the '60's there were about 10 million Californians.
Now there are almost 40 million. Unfortunately, we have an equal amount of deadbeats in that increase.

One could always LEAVE California and move to another fine U.S. state!

2 posted on 04/17/2012 2:37:10 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: reformedcrat

>>I’m sick, sick, sick of California’s answer to budget woes. <<

That is why I departed, departed, departed after living my whole life in California. I won’t stay where I am reviled and robbed, which is how California treats those of us who work hard to make a decent living (I took my 6 figure income with me).

I am a proud Texan — join us!


3 posted on 04/17/2012 2:38:22 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: cloudmountain
One could always LEAVE California and move to another fine U.S. state!

One had better be quick about it or one will be the last producer out.

4 posted on 04/17/2012 2:42:33 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: reformedcrat

Most of the Californians who voted for Prop 13 and for Ronald Reagan are dead or have moved out. They have been replaced by illegal aliens and their spawn. The schools are run by commies. The brain washed electorate will vote to raise other peoples taxes. The sooner that California defaults the better.


5 posted on 04/17/2012 2:49:21 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: forgotten man
The sooner that California defaults the better.

Then what?

6 posted on 04/17/2012 2:56:19 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: reformedcrat
Well, just so long as they say it's a cigarette tax, there's plenty of Freepers who'll support the proposition. They just need to slip something in there about ‘In hopes to get the message across, we are assessing every Californian the tax for 18 cartons of cigarettes.’ There - the unions and politicians can continue embezzling from the people of California, and those who love Mommy Government can ‘strike another blow’ against evil tobacco.
7 posted on 04/17/2012 3:05:29 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: freedumb2003

I don’t blame you for leaving California. Unfortunately it has now become a welfare state. They practically beg you
to go on this program called “California Fresh.” That is the new name for “Welfare and Food Stamps”
Of course, our taxes go up and up for the ones who can still
pay.
Foreigners are welcome to jump on the food and housing bandwagon.


8 posted on 04/17/2012 3:06:02 PM PDT by Jennikins (We are being ruled, not governed.)
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To: kingu
Well, just so long as they say it's a cigarette tax, there's plenty of Freepers who'll support the proposition.

Name one. I don't know any Freeper that supports increase taxes except the trolls.

9 posted on 04/17/2012 3:09:11 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: freedumb2003

Congratulations on your move to TX!
I have a question. A long time ago, I read that California levies a tax on pension benefits that people earned while residing in that state. Did that apply to public sector employees exclusively? (It scared the daylights out of me. Now, I won’t even visit CA.)


10 posted on 04/17/2012 3:10:03 PM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: Silentgypsy

how does that work? are they intercepting everyone’s mail?


11 posted on 04/17/2012 3:15:54 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: Silentgypsy

>>I have a question. A long time ago, I read that California levies a tax on pension benefits that people earned while residing in that state. Did that apply to public sector employees exclusively? (It scared the daylights out of me. Now, I won’t even visit CA.)<<

I am not getting the pension yet (I was a Cal State employee for about 15 years). There are so few pensions anymore that it might be a moot question. But I have never heard of such a thing and certainly was not taxed on my pension accruals while I was there.

I have heard tell of a “migration out tax” but I think that would be such an overreach that California would never be able to dig out from the problems it would cause.


12 posted on 04/17/2012 3:23:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks for your reply. My question wasn’t clearly stated. What I meant was, if you earned your pension while working in CA, if, upon retirement, you relocate to another state, does CA get a cut of your pension? It sounds like the “migration-out” issue you mentioned, although I can’t say for sure. After reading about it, I abandoned all consideration of moving to or visiting CA. I hope you’re correct and that the greedy parasites can’t acquire a portion of anyone’s pension.


13 posted on 04/17/2012 3:31:06 PM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: reformedcrat

Me too! Not only are the taxes in the article proposed but in the city in California where I reside they are asking for another parcel tax for the children which will most likely pass because everyone including non property owners get to vote on the parcel taxes. I have had it with these taxes.


14 posted on 04/17/2012 3:33:39 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Silentgypsy

Yep, CA’s treatment on stock options (ESOP) is also disgusting.

If you move “from” CA, and years later sell your options, CA taxes them because they vested in CA.

If you move “to” CA after fully vesting options in another state, CA taxes them because you sold them in CA.


15 posted on 04/17/2012 3:34:06 PM PDT by fred42 ("Get your facts first, then you can distort 'em as much as you need." - Mark Twain)
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To: Silentgypsy

>>What I meant was, if you earned your pension while working in CA, if, upon retirement, you relocate to another state, does CA get a cut of your pension?<<

Wow, that is a good question. If they do, I am itching for a lawsuit. I love a good fight and the bigger the opponent, the more I like it.

I have taken on insurance companies, the IRS, the State of California and others. The only thing that scares me is the US Military in battle mode. Other than that — I don’t say “bring it.” *I* bring it!


16 posted on 04/17/2012 3:40:37 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: fred42

I am very sorry to hear that. “Going Galt” seems to make sense at times since people are penalized for working, producing, saving and investing. I know it isn’t practical for everyone, but....


17 posted on 04/17/2012 3:55:35 PM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: freedumb2003; Silentgypsy

No, the practice or Clifornia emigrants being taxed after moving out of state was ended by Congress in 1995. So no, if you collect a California pension and don’t live there, California cannot tax it.

Here is the link:

http://www.ehow.com/info_7751181_california-income-taxable-outside-california.html

Public Law 104-95

As early as 1991 opposition existed to California’s taxation of pensions received by non-residents. Only 12 states imposed such taxes on non-residents. Effective January 1, 1995, the U.S. Congress eliminated the practice with passage of Public Law 104—95. The Act eliminated taxation of non-residents for pension and retirement income, including monthly pensions, deferred compensation plans, IRAs and annuities, or certain other qualified employer payment arrangements created upon retirement.

Read more: Is California Pension Income Taxable Outside California? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_7751181_california-income-taxable-outside-california.html#ixzz1sLE4tcDj


18 posted on 04/17/2012 4:02:55 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Thank you!


19 posted on 04/17/2012 4:08:13 PM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: sr4402
Name one. I don't know any Freeper that supports increase taxes except the trolls.

Post a smoking topic and see who comes out of the woodwork, and some have been here for quite some time.

20 posted on 04/17/2012 4:15:25 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: freedumb2003
Welcome to Texas.

California continues to drive business out of the state and Texas is certainly one of the main beneficiaries of their fiscal short-sightedness. There's plenty of room here for those looking to start or grow a business.

21 posted on 04/17/2012 4:19:08 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: cloudmountain
So who exactly are you calling "deadbeats"?

Folks that have owned their homes from the 70's on up....?

Or the people that have nothing, do nothing...and take everything they can?

22 posted on 04/17/2012 4:20:10 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: umgud
Well.....I can tell you, this citizen and millions like me...won't stand for CA. to be bailed out.

That said....it's becoming clearer that D.C. doesn't care what millions want or think.

23 posted on 04/17/2012 4:26:08 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; Silentgypsy

The Internet: not just for finding LOLZ Catz and monkeys smoking cigars!

(my way of saying thanks for doing the research!!)


24 posted on 04/17/2012 4:41:34 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Sarajevo

>>Post a smoking topic and see who comes out of the woodwork, and some have been here for quite some time<<

Smoke em out if you got ‘em... :)


25 posted on 04/17/2012 4:43:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Osage Orange; cloudmountain

>>So who exactly are you calling “deadbeats”?<<

No offense, OO, but California spends all its money on replicating federal programs but ELIMINATING THE REQUIREMENT THAT ONE BE A US CITIZEN!

>>Or the people that have nothing, do nothing...and take everything they can?<<

These would be the illegals California embraces and encourages, followed by the bums and losers California coddles. At the taxpayers’ dime.


26 posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003; Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Aren’t FRiends wonderful?!!!
P.S. My license plate holder states, “If you love your freedom, thank a vet.”


27 posted on 04/17/2012 4:48:49 PM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: Silentgypsy

>>P.S. My license plate holder states, “If you love your freedom, thank a vet.”<<

Indeed.

If you are a vet, thanks. If you are related to one or more, please thank him/her/them.


28 posted on 04/17/2012 5:04:26 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003
I'm a born and raised property owning, business owning Californian.

You aren't telling me anything...I don't already know.

I figure I could tell you lot's.....but who knows.

I left for good in '97....

Thanks-

29 posted on 04/17/2012 5:23:41 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: sr4402; Drango
sr4402, meet Drango.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2869103/posts

I favor the tax and will vote for it as will most conservatives. -- Drango.

30 posted on 04/17/2012 6:53:32 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu; sr4402

Correcto! I like the cigarette tax. It’s got a good chance of passing. Social conservatives will support it, much as they have done in many, many elections.

I’ll also go on record as saying that spending is out of control in California. New tax revenues are the last thing we need. However, the law of supply and demand says an increase in price will decrease consumption. That’s a good thing, and the reason thousands of conservatives will vote for the tax.


31 posted on 04/17/2012 8:49:52 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Your tagline precisely matches your position on this topic.


32 posted on 04/17/2012 9:14:08 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: freedumb2003; Silentgypsy

You are welcome.

Yes, I find getting accurate information much easier with computer internet access. It used to be I had to start with the public library or the yellow pages.

Now, everything is available to find, you just have to be search savvy and have the time to wade through all of the noise and disinformation.

The bad side is that there is SO much bad information floating around and it gets frequently repeated. I’ve been badly fooled on a number of occasions.


33 posted on 04/18/2012 12:04:37 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: kingu; Drango
I favor the (cigarette) tax and will vote for it as will most conservatives.

Not me. Cigarette taxes have been raised and raised again and always produce less revenue. Once they produce less revenue - You are in Line for a TAX Increase!

I lived in Maryland, where cigarette taxes were higher than nearby Virginia. Guess where smokers bought their cigarettes and which state got more revenues? Guess which state is considering increasing their citizens TAXES LIKE CRAZY RIGHT NOW??

DOH!

Liberals, Progressives and RINOs are always ignorant when they get less revenues and are always Amazed at how creative the citizenry is in Defying the intent of there Taxation.

And PS: I don't Smoke. And PS; Wonder why I don't live in MD anymore?

34 posted on 04/21/2012 2:51:19 AM PDT by sr4402
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