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Posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:30 PM PDT by Williams

Well it's been about 13 years forgot my initial sign in name, so pretty much from the beginning.

Never wanted to write a Free Republic Opus, love reading news stories here and commenting every day.

Would rather not go out in anger seems pointless.

Then today the owner of the site called me a RINO (I'm not), surrender monkey (not) and told me to write my opus and get out.

My sin was fighting with someone who suggested Obama losing in the latest poll is "bad news".

I could list all the insanity of what is going on here. I've tried to approach Jim Robinson in email to gently suggest the problems we are facing. It's clear from that he is not interested in discussing and resolving anything, which is a shame.

But what kind of man, American, conservative will I be if I worry more about losing my 12 year old screen name versus standing up to people who are espousing the advisability of reelecting Barack Hussein Obama, and yes if I fail to stand up to the owner of a site for calling me a liberal when I am a proud conservative?

What Jim Robinson is doing cannot work because first of all he is NOT attacking the posters who say it is best to reelect Obama. He's offended by anyone who says he is thereby supporting Obama. But he doesn't mind calling us names when we attack the pro Obamas.

OK folks, it's not going to work. You can't really oppose Obama's reelection if you may also oppose the republican's election.

Free Republic has become a house divided against itself and it cannot stand.

I'm a conservative I love my country, I have to wish away to the cornfield anyone who would assist in the reelection of Obama, from whatever misguided motivations.

I stand with Dick Cheney. The other day I had to fight with someone disparaging Cheney here. They were not criticized by the owner.

Jim Robinson owes me an apology. Not planning on getting one. The sad fact is I am not writing this because I'm offended. It's because I want to no longer assist here in the destruction of my country by those who will, to varying degrees, assist in Obama's reelection.

Six or seven liberals on the Supreme Court? Maybe atomic destruction down the pike after our disarmament. Israel destroyed. 2nd Amendment neutered. Obamacare used to deny people medical care based on age and political beliefs. Racial strife. A welfare socialist state. US attorneys going after republicans.

My wife is a cancer survivor who reasonably fears that in the future they will deny her care because she is a registered republican. And she's no RINO, she hates Obama and she won't read Free Republic stories anymore because of what is going on here.

We have a real country and real lives out here that go beyond Jim Robinson's ill advised name calling against sincere conservatives who dare to disagree with him.

So F anyone who calls me a RINO for standing with Dick Cheney and against Barack Obama. I hate RINO's and I despise misguided so called conservatives who do anything to reelect Obama.

13 years, but it's nothing when put to the wall on my beliefs against the left wing democrat party. I have too many mirrors to look in. The people here who are every day posting that it will be best to reelect Obama, should be thrown off. Instead, well...

It's over.


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1 posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:38 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Williams

Thailand?


2 posted on 04/17/2012 4:50:05 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: Williams
"The people here who are every day posting that it will be best to reelect Obama..."

Wow. I'm not on FR 24x7, but I have yet to see evidence of that from posters other than trolls. Good luck.

3 posted on 04/17/2012 4:53:47 PM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: Williams
I hope that when the campaign is officially “on” that folks here will vote for the nominee,whoever it is.I don't have *much* hope however.For some absolute purity is more important than pragmatism.
4 posted on 04/17/2012 4:54:40 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Williams
This is sad. I suggest you withdraw for a while instead, and wait to see what happens on the forum. This is still a dynamic venue for the exchange of ideas. Things change; the unimaginable becomes fact.

Slow down, Nellie.

5 posted on 04/17/2012 4:55:31 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Williams

You are owed no apology. When you cast your vote for a man who does not follow in the platform of his own party, you are voting for a Republican in name only by definition.

Ergo, you are likewise a RINO. And if you are OK with that, great. But it is what it is and no amount of excuse-making changes verifiable fact.


6 posted on 04/17/2012 4:55:59 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Williams

Well said, best of luck. Im looking at getting more involved in the tea party and local gop.


7 posted on 04/17/2012 4:56:40 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Williams
...and told me to write my opus ...

I'll bet that was rhetorical.

You can't really oppose Obama's reelection if you may also oppose the republican's election.

I can and I will if the Pubbie is Mitt Romney.

8 posted on 04/17/2012 4:56:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I hope that a Republican victory doesn’t ride on the Freeper vote.


9 posted on 04/17/2012 4:57:17 PM PDT by Misterioso ( The difference between stupidity and intelligence is that intelligence has its limits)
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To: Williams

Laz is right, take a break, get some fresh perspective.
The campaign hasn’t begun yet.

Tet.


10 posted on 04/17/2012 4:58:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Williams
Please describe the butthurt in greater detail.
11 posted on 04/17/2012 4:59:14 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Lazamataz

What will you do if obama gets reelected? Because if he does its the end of freedom and America.


12 posted on 04/17/2012 4:59:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Williams
Jim Robinson owes me an apology

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Did you ping Jim to this sad opus?

I would have expected more from someone who has been here for so many years.

13 posted on 04/17/2012 4:59:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Williams

Sorry, there’s just no honorable justification for voting for a demonstrated liberal/Socialist like Mitt Romney - no matter what the pretext is.

Choosing between Obama and Romney are only two of the options that lay before the American people, unless of course, you’ve given up so much of your personal integrity and fighting spirit, that you’ve accepted those constraints.

Making either of those choices is throwing in with the very evil that you claim to oppose. A true patriot would rather give up everything, than do that.


14 posted on 04/17/2012 4:59:31 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Williams

Not exactly the way it went down from my viewpoint, but whatever.

bye


15 posted on 04/17/2012 5:00:04 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Williams

The Mark Levin Rule is he’d vote for an orange juice can over Obama, and as a conservative will do everything possible to elect the GOP nominee. It’s a good rule.

This election is between a Marxist and a Moderate. Not my first, second, or third choice on the GOP side but I love my granddaughter too much to vote for a Marxist.

Best wishes.


16 posted on 04/17/2012 5:00:57 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Norm Lenhart; Williams
Personally, I intend to write-in Newt or Sarah. But I still intend to vote hard-conservative downticket.

I can still respectfully disagree, although I would remind them that a vote for Romney is like voting for cancer, as opposed to voting for a .40 caliber slug to the forehead.

I understand those who would vote for cancer over the slug, since it would give a person a chance to get their affairs in order.

I'm in a state, GA, where I have the luxury of voting my conscious -- it's almost a foregone solution GA will go for Romney. But for those in less-certain states, I do understand voting for the slower death of America. A day delayed is a day lived, right? I get that. I might not necessarily agree, but I do get it.

17 posted on 04/17/2012 5:01:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
For some absolute purity is more important than pragmatism.

Explain to us how you make a pragmatic choice between two dyed-in-the-wool liberals?

18 posted on 04/17/2012 5:01:55 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: driftdiver
I plan an attempted escape from America to a country of some more freedom, whereever that takes me, either way the election goes.

Escape-to-freedom is in my genetics. My grandfather was a Kulak in the Ukraine who escaped the collectives of Stalin, and the subsequent purges.

19 posted on 04/17/2012 5:03:22 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Lazamataz
Who are you and what have you done with the real Lazamataz?
20 posted on 04/17/2012 5:03:41 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: Williams

If anyone other than JR had called you a RINO and etc, would you have teared up and opused out as you are doing?

Man up, pal. So JR unloaded on you? Big deal. I take it this has never happened to you before? Do you want to hear MY encounters with Jim? I’ve had ‘em. Most of us have. But you are quitting over this?

Dude seriously. Put on your big girl panties and keep FReeping. If JR (or me or anyone else) says something to hurt your feelings, DEAL with it.


21 posted on 04/17/2012 5:03:48 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Williams

You know...

If you think about it...

Being called a RINO may be a good thing...

It seems the majority of Republicans aren’t conservative anymore. So if being a Republican means not being conservative I don’t want to be a “Republican” either.

I’m a conservative first, not a Republican first.

I’m an engineer. That means you have to create things the best you can from what is available in the real world. Nothing is perfect and everything is a compromise. You can’t make something that works from components/materials that don’t exist no matter how perfect the result would be.

I also have teenage children. I want them to have a future.

So all that being said. I’m in the “Anybody But Obama” camp.

If that makes me unwelcome here then I’ll take my lumps and go.


22 posted on 04/17/2012 5:04:09 PM PDT by DB
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To: Williams
...and told me to write my opus ... I'll bet that was rhetorical.

I am hoping that was the case.

We can't have another 4 years of this failed president.

23 posted on 04/17/2012 5:04:50 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Windflier

Cafeteria Conservatism: A political variant of actual conservative philosophy that allows one to select conservative ideals as if from an a’lacarte menu and avoid those they don’t like as the situation warrants. Also known as situational ethics. Also known as the root of liberalism.

See also ‘Socks Conservativism’ as in ‘change when needed’.


24 posted on 04/17/2012 5:05:03 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Mark Levin Rule is he’d vote for an orange juice can over Obama, and as a conservative will do everything possible to elect the GOP nominee. It’s a good rule.

It might be a good rule, but that's neither here nor there, because Mark Levin himself just threw it out the window by jumping on the Romney train while a real conservative is still in the race.

He can kiss my orange juice can.

25 posted on 04/17/2012 5:05:27 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It may have been a hotheaded action on Williams part. It’s, of course, foolishness on the part of a forum participant to challenge a forum owner, but haven’t all of us at one time or another gone too far in our words or deeds? May I politely ask that maybe he’s reinstated at some time, after cooling off? I hate to see a longtimer, who has been a good participant, be destroyed here forever for a moments flash of anger.....


26 posted on 04/17/2012 5:06:31 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Williams

You have some very strong principles. And I admire them. But you might be missing the point. It’s one thing to vote for Romney when and IF he is on the ballot. But, and this is the heart of the matter, he hasn’t won the nomination yet. And who Jim or anybody votes for in November is their private business...

We are making a stand with Newt on OUR principles, and beliefs. The RNC knows who their opponent is, they have already put out their first 2 official anti-obama ads. We are not holding up the battle.

We are fighting against all odds, while there is still a moment of choice left. And we are fighting against the GOP establishment as well as their candidate, because if they succeed in doing this, they will be so emboldened by their ability to get the conservatives to support them, they will never again take the wishes of the conservative base seriously - not that they do now anyway.

I just wish you would take your principles, and fervor, and deep beliefs and put them to work for Newt until the nominee is chosen at the convention. Until then, we have a chance. It may looks like the banks of the Delaware right now, but we still have a chance. Join us.

I plan on supporting the official nominee AGAINST Obama. that is a principled choice I am making, and I don’t fault others who are making a different choice. I will certainly, when the time comes, try to persuade them otherwise. But that is then. This is now.


27 posted on 04/17/2012 5:06:42 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Williams
Don't feel like the Lone Stranger. I do NOT want to see 0 bummer have another four years in the white hut. I want to see him in a striped prison uniform, but know that would be the starts of riots this country has never seen in its history.

I despise the current impostor in DC, and want to see him impeached, tried and [well, you can guess the parts of my reply I won't post on the public side]. I was in the military for almost 40 years, and am glad I don't have to serve under this POS another day.

28 posted on 04/17/2012 5:07:32 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Williams

a.) JimRob owes you nothing, let alone an ‘apology’.

b.) Adios you putz.

c.) Go suck an egg.


29 posted on 04/17/2012 5:08:14 PM PDT by mkjessup (Finley Peter Dunne- "Politics ain't beanbag")
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To: Lazamataz

Lived. But like you, I’d rater die on my feet than live knowing I helped wreck my own ideology. And my country.

The extra days they gain will be days of misery when Mitt reverts to type and does the abortion/gun grabbing etc. Without our principles, I don’t think there is a country to save.


30 posted on 04/17/2012 5:08:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Navy Patriot
Who are you and what have you done with the real Lazamataz?

Real Laz has a heart and a natural affinity towards fellow conservatives, and Williams has been a good participant. It's sad to see someone blow up like that. This is too good a forum to miss out on.

31 posted on 04/17/2012 5:08:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: Williams
Take a break for awhile. You've seen this sort of thing before. Conservatives are in a rage at the moment that it was so easy for the media and the establishment GOP to foist a candidate on us that so typifies everything we despise in the Democrats, and words get said in heat that are not always meant for the target they end up hitting.

I stopped posting myself for nearly a month when I caught myself starting to scream through the keyboard. It wasn't helping anyone, certainly not me. Best to you.

32 posted on 04/17/2012 5:09:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Williams
here's my opus-


33 posted on 04/17/2012 5:10:31 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Lazamataz

Well said. I would say, however, that if the FR policy is to oppose the GOP nominee if it is Romney, then it ought to try to turn it into a positive course of action and find some other candidate to get behind, instead of simply being against Romney.

Hard to do, as no one with any hope of winning is running third-party/independent. But that could still change.

On the other hand, I have seen it said (on another, non-political, forum), that compared to Obama, Romney is George Washington. There is some truth to that. Obama is the most anti-American president we’ve had. It’s not even close. He’s also the most inept, idiotic man to sit in the Oval Office. It amazes me that anyone could have voted to elect him in the first place. It absolutely angers me that anyone would even consider voting for him after four years of his incompetence and stupidity (not talking about those opting out of voting GOP, but those liberals who actually still actively support him).


34 posted on 04/17/2012 5:10:48 PM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Williams

Dude I doubt anyone on this site is going to vote for Obama and I have seen no threads supporting Obama.

Your problem is that you are supporting a leftwing candidate and you expect this website to bend over and do it too. No way. This is a conservative website.

The definition of “conservative” should not be changed to accomodate the GOP nominee’s leftwing ideology. That will be the day this website ceases to be conservative.

Here is the thing.

We are not changing our principles and beliefs just because the GOPe want to nominate a leftwing liar. We are not going to try justifying voting for THAT to be the conservative thing to do. It’s not. There is zero chance of it.

So you are writing your OPUS for the sole reason that conservatives on this website are refusing to vote for a leftist.

Maybe you should think about that.

Think about it really hard.

Do conservatives who want to move this country forward support and vote for LEFTISTS?

Because if Jim Robinson were to relunctantly relent (he won’t), do you know what would happen then?

You and other RINOs would object to anti-Romney articles, call for an end to anti-Romney articles being posted.

Then you and yours would infest pro-life, pro-gun, anti-gay agenda, anti-Individual mandate threads accusing conservatives of being pro-Obama and of propagandizing against Mittens.

There are a thousand forums that will back Romney because of the R, despite being opposed to everything conservative. You are free to go to them, why do you want to turn this conservative website into a party pom-pom waving site?

...

After you throw away your principles and conservatism to elect Romney, then what? You will have no power to move him to the right, you’ve just proven you’ll vote for anything they put on the ballot with an R, you will have no sway.

You will have killed conservatism deader than dead.


35 posted on 04/17/2012 5:11:04 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Williams

I agree with you about Cheney. If he’s considered a RINO than so am I. Cheney deserves our respect and admiration.


36 posted on 04/17/2012 5:11:19 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Williams

Ditto...I’m gone too, but no opus...who cares.
Like you, I’ve had it with the bs.


37 posted on 04/17/2012 5:12:18 PM PDT by terryt
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To: Williams
It's clear from that he is not interested in discussing and resolving anything, which is a shame It has been resolved: Do not mistake this website as a Romneybot Propaganda Site.
38 posted on 04/17/2012 5:12:18 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Williams
It's clear from that he is not interested in discussing and resolving anything, which is a shame

It has been resolved: Do not mistake this website as a Romneybot Propaganda Site.

39 posted on 04/17/2012 5:12:48 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Jim Robinson

Why ban him? He is just saying his peace. Make him mad by keeping him a member. LOL


40 posted on 04/17/2012 5:13:29 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: Williams

If you’ve been here 13 years you ought to know better and presume that Jim will change his tune given a little time. Heck, all Romney would have to do is choose Palin as his veep and all of a sudden FR would be in “If you’re not here to elect Romney, then GTFO!” mode. You know this if you’ve been here as long as I have.

I’ve been here 14 years, have never been banned, never written an opus when I disagree with the founder, and have only been edited once or twice. If Jim wants to be a kamikaze pilot, that’s his choice. I can’t afford the luxury, but I won’t make a big public spectacle out of refusing to fly a suicidal one way mission with him, or speaking ill of his intentions. I just sit quietly and wait until the FR status quo changes it’s mind to something I’m more inclined to agree with. Isn’t that what the Reagan doctrine would guide us in doing?


41 posted on 04/17/2012 5:13:29 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Norm Lenhart
So tell me what you are going to do. Not vote. Write in someone else name. Vote for Obama. Those seem to be your choices. Which one do you choose? Let me know if there is another choice I didn't mention.

All polls and common sense tells us that Romney is going to be the one to run. Not my choice either but I'm not going to throw my vote away as it is too important to dump the Zero. Come on here, give me some hope with your good idea.

42 posted on 04/17/2012 5:14:10 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: Williams

It’s over.


Don’t go.


43 posted on 04/17/2012 5:14:10 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (Charter Member of the Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Purity” we got with Romney, pure LIBERAL


44 posted on 04/17/2012 5:14:33 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Norm Lenhart; Williams

You are correct. Vote for a RINO, push a RINO on FR, post insults, accusations, lies and use fear mongering tactics on those who resist going along with RINO tyranny, you are a RINO.

Reminds me of Mitt Romney. Romney boasts of a three decades long history of supporting abortion (ever since his mother ran for office in the 70’s). Claims abortion should be safe and legal in America and he would do nothing to oppose a woman’s right to choose. Claimed Roe v Wade is settled law and BOASTED that he would protect and sustain it as such. Appointed liberal judges, Installed $50.00 taxpayer funded/subsidized abortion as state law. Installed Planned Parenthood on the board. And then has the audacity to claim he’s always been pro-life and refuses the pro-choice label?

Not a RINO, my ass!! I don’t apologize or retreat. I reload!!


45 posted on 04/17/2012 5:14:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: driftdiver

Because if he does its the end of freedom and America.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ah yes. The doom and gloom defense. Obama will destroy America.

Puh-leaze. Even if that were true, I still would not vote for Romney.

Be positive here, IF (big if) Bammie wins, then he will be the weakest lame duck doofus since Carter. (Yeah I know - he never got a 2nd term)


46 posted on 04/17/2012 5:15:36 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Williams

You can easily avoid all this by helping to NOT nominate Romney


47 posted on 04/17/2012 5:15:54 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Lazamataz

True enough.

I remember The Great Purge that happened after Jim went off on GWB (I will never vote for that coke-head!)

Oh....for some Clarity.


48 posted on 04/17/2012 5:15:54 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: driftdiver

The RINO’s are trying hard to lose this election, we should not assist them.

Vote for Conservatives instead


49 posted on 04/17/2012 5:17:10 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Lazamataz
...a vote for Romney is like voting for cancer, as opposed to voting for a .40 caliber slug to the forehead. I understand those who would vote for cancer over the slug, since it would give a person a chance to get their affairs in order.

Your analogy is flawed. A choice between 0baMao and Romney is like a murderer giving you a choice between being shot or beheaded. If you choose either one you have just acceded to being killed which is suicide. The only moral and ethical choice is to force the murderer to choose instead of participating in it.

50 posted on 04/17/2012 5:17:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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