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Does Romney's Tax Plan Accept the Premise of the Left's Class Warfare? (Rush has MR news)
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 4-17-12 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 04/17/2012 6:07:06 PM PDT by STARWISE

Excerpt:

"Now on Sunday night Romney was here in Palm Beach for a big fundraiser. Word has leaked out about some of the things that he said to the donors.

These are things that he's not said publicly in terms of specifics on policy, and one of the things that he talked about was a tax plan.

He wants to lower rates but eliminate some deductions for the rich.

And I have to tell you, folks, I'm not comfortable with the Republican nominee talking about special plans for "the rich," special plans for "Hispanics."

That was part of it, too. He was saying we're gonna have to do some special outreach for Hispanics, special outreach for women. No, we don't. Not as conservatives. We don't have to have special policies for this group and that group or special whatever.

One of the tax ideas was to eliminate... Now, get this: Eliminate the mortgage deductibility on second homes. Now, that's populism. We're talking an amount of money that's no different than the Buffett Rule. It's a shame.

His capital gains idea is also a little curious, because it, too, is targeting "the rich," anybody making over $200,000 jointly and introduces progressivity into the tax which seems fair or what have you.

These are not the things that a Republican, much less a conservative nominee, needs to be talking about or saying. This is Rockefeller Republicanism. This is identity politics. It's the kind of stuff that the left talks about."

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My two cents:

Don't be lulled into complacency, indifference, cynicism, or fatigue.. or deceived into believing MR is the only choice. He's the Beltway's choice. That's just what they (GOP elite and radicals) all want .. just let the "chosen one" slide right in there. He IS NOT the chosen one of pro life, God, truth, country, and liberty loving American conservatives.

Newt is still in the race. Gird your loins. We still have time. We can fight this .. and we can have peace of mind that we chose a documented conservative, if there is an election, and didn't support what we were handed by the DC Machine elites for THEIR purposes, even though MR is the furthest from a core conservative. Au contraire .. I'm sure he's a decent family man, but he doesn't march to our drum. He's the opposite ..a blatant, demonstrable, progressive, finger-in-the-wind flip flopper who's shown repeatedly that he will say whatever it takes to achieve his lofty goal.

The campaign issues all play into the our big picture, but note how they're diverted and devolve into the more trivial, populist, race/class matters:

race, women, working/stay at home Moms, tweets, talkshow eruptions

compared to what's really at stake. It's an intentional engineered scheme by both sides to take our eyes off what's being trampled, lost and destroyed .. daily .. in our nation: FREEDOM, RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, SMALLER GOVT AND GOVT INTRUSION, REDUCED TAXES, INDIVIDUALISM, CAPITALISM!

It's not over 'til it's OVER! God bless us with what our representatives in govt DON'T have: COURAGE, FORTITUDE AND CONVICTION. And may God have mercy, bless and help us save our blessed America, before she's vanishes before our eyes.


1 posted on 04/17/2012 6:07:19 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: onyx; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; trisham; TheOldLady; musicman; vox_freedom; JoeProBono; The Cajun; ...

Ding!

PS .. I’m a bit under the weather, so my responses
will be irregular.


2 posted on 04/17/2012 6:10:41 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

No Romney, ever and I’m sick of hearing that not voting for Romney is the same as voting for Obama.

“F” anyone before they even say it.

Praying that Newt comes through for us but if not, to hell with Romney.


3 posted on 04/17/2012 6:19:08 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: STARWISE; FReepers; All
Romney is no better than Obama regarding dividing Americans. I wonder why...

All contributions are for the Current Quarter Expenses.


Quote Link “In the wake of the devastating Detroit riots of the summer of 1967, Michigan Gov. George Romney, a liberal Republican, met the radical organizer Saul Alinsky to discuss the grievances of the urban black poor,” he explained.

Photos of the meeting can be found in the archives of the Library of Congress.

Kaczynski noted that a book on George Romney quotes the former Michigan governor telling his allies, “I think you ought to listen to Alinsky.”

Political analyst and think-tank researcher Steve Baldwin believes that Mitt Romney was definitely impacted by his father’s association with Alinsky.

4 posted on 04/17/2012 6:21:57 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: STARWISE

If Romney’s plan is revenue neutral, that is, he lowers taxes as much as the increased revenue by removing the property and income tax deductions, then this will help lower tax red staters and increase costs for high tax states. It would also simplify the tax code.


5 posted on 04/17/2012 6:31:58 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: RedMDer

Mitt Romney should just switch parties


6 posted on 04/17/2012 6:35:40 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: STARWISE

I wish Rush would expose Romney for the socialist turd that he is. There is still time for Newt.


7 posted on 04/17/2012 6:39:25 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: STARWISE

Call it ‘progressive appeasement’, he should have offered a flat tax. Still learning what Conservative Solutions are, 4 years of anticipating running again doesn’t offer much time to study the income tax issue...


8 posted on 04/17/2012 6:40:25 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: STARWISE

No Romney!!

We are the resistance!!


9 posted on 04/17/2012 6:41:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: vmivol00

Without Rush backing him Romney wouldn’t have won as many primaries, in my opinion.


10 posted on 04/17/2012 6:43:26 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: STARWISE

Rush forgot to mention that Romney defines the “rich” at $200k, while even Zero defines the “rich” at $250k.

Add class warfare mongering to pro-abortion, pro-global warming, pro-gun control, tyrannical socialist turd.


11 posted on 04/17/2012 6:43:55 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: STARWISE

12 posted on 04/17/2012 6:44:20 PM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: STARWISE

Gingrich will be on my ballot, if I have to write him in.

That’s my response to the RNC, Coulter, Rush and all the elistists trying to force Romney on me.


13 posted on 04/17/2012 6:45:23 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: STARWISE

Romney’s Progressive Solution for the Income Tax will put off the Obama Complete Economic Freeze of 2013, until 2015, thus proving he is just a slower version of getting to the Liberal Society.


14 posted on 04/17/2012 6:45:53 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: reasonisfaith

Agreed. I actually quit listening to Rush and Hannity because I’m tired of hearing them pimp the socialist pos. This article gave me a little hope.


15 posted on 04/17/2012 6:46:13 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: STARWISE
These are not the things that a Republican, much less a conservative nominee, needs to be talking about or saying. This is Rockefeller Republicanism. This is identity politics. It's the kind of stuff that the left talks about."

The GOP is stuck on stupid.

16 posted on 04/17/2012 6:48:00 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism is not a party slogan, but a mindset guided by core values and walking the walk.)
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To: vmivol00

Yes, a Romney 20% across the board income tax cut leaves as many Tax Tiers as the Liberal Democrat is proposing, the mega-rich, the super-rich, the wealthy-rich, the rich, the kinda-rich, the less-rich, the working-rich, ...


17 posted on 04/17/2012 6:50:16 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: vmivol00

Romneny’s socialist record and beliefs have been exposed. Sadly the Conservative vote split between Newt and Santorum and Romney slithered in.


18 posted on 04/17/2012 6:52:38 PM PDT by GR_Jr. (Vote Obama out now.....deal with Romney later.)
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To: reasonisfaith; All

Speaking of that callous opportunist, used to be was conservative Coulter . this is a MUST hear. She just HATES to hear ANY truth about Mitty. Gets REAL huffy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywvqMAnHZd8&feature=player_embedded


19 posted on 04/17/2012 6:53:59 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

How about if we get a government tax plan where you pay your taxes the same way a lender decides your interest rate. The worst your FICA score the higher your interest rate.....so the less you earned or worked the higher your tax rate........Now that would get people up early in the morning.


20 posted on 04/17/2012 7:03:04 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: STARWISE

Where was Rush when it mattered?


21 posted on 04/17/2012 7:03:27 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (There will be no vote for Myth Romney in my house. Period.)
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To: arderkrag
Are there Mitt Romney “supporters” here on FR? Has any FReeper Voted for Romney, EVER? If so, who?

How is Number Five a myth? Is there a Third Party Candidate that can defeat Obama? Wouldn't a “non vote” mean that Obama will end up with another Vote rather than canceling one out?

Again, since Mitt is still running in the Republican Primaries against Gingrich and Paul, who here is a Mitt Supporter? I haven't seen any.

Not being contrary, just asking some questions. Let the attack begin...

22 posted on 04/17/2012 7:04:15 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: STARWISE
Willard hasn't even received the nomination and he already started shaking and erasing his political etch-a-sketch.
23 posted on 04/17/2012 7:07:25 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Kickass Conservative
1. People who push these lines in conversation are Mitt supporters. Anyone willing to vote for Mitt for the sake of "ABO!!! Hur hur!!" Is a Mitt supporter.

2. A nonvote is simply not a vote. It does not "equal" another vote for Obama. Only voting FOR Obama does that.
24 posted on 04/17/2012 7:13:55 PM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: reasonisfaith
“That’s my response to the RNC, Coulter, Rush and all the elistists trying to force Romney on me.”
______________________________________________

I listen to Rush daily...don't remember him trying to “force” Romney as our nominee? Can you tell me when Rush (aka: “the elitist”) pushed Romney on the electorate?

25 posted on 04/17/2012 7:16:49 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: arderkrag
Okey dokey.

Don't agree with the logic, but that is why we share our opinions here. Whatever happens, this will be an Election cycle for the ages.

Thanks for the quick reply.

26 posted on 04/17/2012 7:19:33 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Jim Robinson; STARWISE; onyx; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; trisham; TheOldLady; musicman; vox_freedom; ...
No Romney!!

We are the resistance!!


Why should we believe anything Mitt Romney has to say?

He has raised lying to the level of an Art form.

Even on taxes, his record displays a left-wing, Progressive Liberal ideology.

BEFORE HE WAS ELECTED GOVERNOR, ROMNEY PLEDGED NOT TO RAISE TAXES

Romney Pledged Not to Raise Taxes Before He Was Elected Governor of Massachusetts. “GOP standard-bearer Mitt Romney eagerly joined the no-new-tax brigade yesterday, vowing not to stop the voter approved income tax rollback or hike other levies - all while boosting services and dodging layoffs. ‘All voters . . . care about great education, improving our environment, bringing more jobs to Massachusetts and balancing the budget without raising taxes . . . That being the case, I think I have a very strong proposition to take to the voters of Massachusetts." (David R. Guarino, “Romney vows to balance budget without new tax,” The Boston Herald, 3/22/02)

“Romney chided Democrats for taking the ‘easy way’ to fix problems by passing the tax hat. ‘The easy way to fix any problem is to go to the people and say you have to pay more money, but that's not what the job of management is,’ Romney said. ‘That's my pledge, we are not going to raise taxes.’” (David R. Guarino, “Romney vows to balance budget without new tax,” The Boston Herald, 3/22/02)

After Elected Governor and Before His Swearing In, Romney Reiterated His Campaign Pledge Not to Raise Taxes, And Called Raising Taxes A “Draconian” Solution And That It Would Make The State A “Basket Case”. “Romney …firmly stood by his campaign pledge not to raise taxes, calling that a ‘Draconian’ solution that would make the state a ‘basket case.”’ (Joe Battenfeld, “Romney: Cuts Are Not Enough; Gov.-Elect Eyes Consolidation, Elimination Of Programs,” The Boston Herald, 12/6/02) 2

After Being Elected Governor and Before His Swearing In, Romney Said He Anticipated Being Able to Do “What We Were Sent To Do, Which is to Balance our Budget Without Having To Raise Taxes”. “’I anticipate we'll be able to work together to do what we were sent to do, which is to balance our budget without having to raise taxes.’” (David R. Guarino, “Dem Leaders Doubtful On Romney's Tax Cut,” The Boston Herald, 11/8/02)

After Being Elected Governor and Before His Swearing In, Romney Said the Voters “Spoke Loud and Clear, They Don’t Want To See Us Raising Their Taxes”. “Romney said he wasn't daunted at all when the stark budget numbers were laid out before him and vowed to stick with his campaign promises. …‘I think the voters spoke loud and clear, they don't want to see us raising their taxes.”’ (David R. Guarino, “Dem Leaders Doubtful On Romney's Tax Cut,” The Boston Herald, 11/8/02)

AFTER HE WAS ELECTED GOVERNOR, ROMNEY RAISED TAXES MITT THE MASSACHUSETTS MODERATE’S TAX AND FEE RECORD IN-DEPTH

When Mitt The Massachusetts Moderate Was Governor, Taxpayers Paid Hundreds Of Millions Of Dollars More In Taxes And Fees

According To Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, Romney’s Fee Hikes And “Tax Loophole Closings” Were Between “$740 And $750 Million A Year.” “As we've noted before when the subject of Romney's fee vs. tax increases has come up, the Massachusetts Department of Administration and Finance says that fee increases during Romney's tenure added up to $260 million per year, with another $174 million raised from closing some corporate tax "loopholes." The independent Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation puts the revenue total of fee hikes and tax loophole-closings at between $740 and $750 million a year.” (“Simi Valley Showdown,” FactCheck.org, 1/31/08)3

During The 2008 Election, John McCain Blasted Romney For “Raising Taxes By 730 Million.” “As I understand it, [Romney's] record was that he raised taxes by $730 million. He called them fees; I'm sure the people that had to pay it – whether they called them bananas, they still had to pay $730 million extra.” (“Simi Valley Showdown,” FactCheck.org, 1/31/08)

“[T]he Tax Burden Is Heavier For Many Across The Commonwealth. This Is How The Massachusetts That Mitt Romney Left Behind Yesterday Compares With The Massachusetts That He Inherited Four Years Ago.” (Scott Helman, “Romney Exits With Pomp, Ambition,” The Boston Globe, 1/4/07)

During Romney’s Governorship, He Raised Fees By Over $400 Million And Closed “So-Called Corporate Loopholes” By Over $300 Million.
“On the presidential campaign trail, Romney brags about a $3 billion budget shortfall he said he closed as governor, without any tax increases. He doesn’t mention the more than $400 million in fees he raised instead. He also raised more than $300 million by closing so-called corporate loopholes, a revenue-raising measure the business community calls a tax increase.” (Joan Vennochi, Op-Ed, “Mitt’s No-Tax Mirage,” The Boston Globe, 10/11/07)

Romney Claims He Only Closed Tax Loopholes, But Grover Norquist Of Americans For Tax Reform Views Them As Tax Hikes. “Mr. Norquist acknowledged that he had been deeply disappointed by Mr. Romney’s corporate tax overhaul. Unlike the governor, Mr. Norquist regards the changes as tax hikes. ‘They changed the laws and the rules to significantly raise taxes,’ he said. ‘That is a tax increase.”’ (“Seeking Taxes, Romney Went After Business,” The New York Times, 10/1/11)

In 2003, Massachusetts Led The Nation In Fee Hikes. “This time it's fees, not taxes. Still, Massachusetts may have enhanced its reputation as "Taxachusetts.’ A survey of states grappling with spending crises has found that Massachusetts imposed more fee hikes than any other state in the nation this year - at least $500 million. The study by the National Conference of State Legislatures found that Massachusetts was one of 30 states that enacted fee increases this year. The organization found that 17 states enacted significant tax increases, unlike last year, when many states were hesitant to turn to taxes because it was an election year in most places. Of the 30 states to raise fees this year, only nine are bringing in $100 million or more from those fee hikes. Massachusetts reported $501.5 million in fee hikes; the second-biggest fee increaser was New York, with $367 million, though New York has a much larger budget.” (Rick Klein, “Mass. Is Called No. 1 In Fee Hikes,”The Boston Globe, 7/24/03)

Romney Raised Fees On Marriage Licenses. “Governor Mitt Romney and the Legislature, faced with a multibillion dollar shortfall, made it more expensive to get a marriage license or a divorce, file a court case, buy a house, renew a driver's license, or tap into a host of other state services.”
(Rick Klein, “Mass. Is Called No. 1 In Fee Hikes,” The Boston Globe, 7/24/03)

The Boston Globe Headline: “Mass. Is Called No. 1 In Fee Hikes”
(Rick Klein, “Mass. Is Called No. 1 In Fee Hikes,” The Boston Globe, 7/24/03)

"Fees have been the name of the game in the past year," said Corina Eckl, the NCSL's fiscal program director. "In Massachusetts, the sheer number of fees stood out."
Almost Immediately Upon Becoming Governor, Romney Increased Fees By $260 Million And Closed “Tax Loopholes” To Fill Government Coffers With Another $255 Million.
“[I]n his first year in office, the state increased hundreds of fees, making it more expensive to get a driver’s license, marry, or buy a house. Those changes, which he defends as limited in scope and long overdue, brought in an additional $260 million. The new governor also collected an additional $255 million from businesses by closing what he called tax loopholes.”
(Scott S. Greenberger, “Romney Often Casts Himself As Budget Hero,” The Boston Globe, 10/24/05)

Massachusetts’ Revenue Commissioner Admitted Romney Told Him To Scour The Tax Code For Provisions To Close In Order To Bring In More Money. "Revenue Commissioner Alan LeBovidge said yesterday that Romney has asked him to scour the tax code in search of provisions that can be tightened to bring in more money, but he argued that it isn’t accurate to refer to the proposed changes as tax increases.” (Scott S. Greenberger, “Governor’s Fiscal Plan Targets Tax ‘Loopholes,’” The Boston Globe, 3/4/04)

In His First Two Years As Governor, Romney Collected Almost $350 Million More In Corporate Taxes, And He Then Proposed Another $170 Million. “[Romney] collected an additional $345 million from businesses during his first two years in office by closing what he called loopholes in the corporate tax code. This year, the governor initially proposed changes worth an additional $170 million, but he halved that figure in March in response to an uproar from businesses and their lobbying groups.”
(Scott S. Greenberger, “Romney Often Casts Himself As Budget Hero,” The Boston Globe, 10/24/05)

Flashback 2004: “The Bill The Joint Committee On Taxation Considered Yesterday – ‘An Act To Clarify Certain Tax Provisions And Improve Various Activities Of The Department Of Revenue’ - Includes More Than Two-Dozen Measures Designed To Bring In More Money.”
(Scott S. Greenberger, “Governor’s Fiscal Plan Targets Tax ‘Loopholes,’” The Boston Globe, 3/4/04)

[T]ax Specialists And Other Observers Have Argued That Romney Effectively Raised Taxes By Boosting The Fees And Eking More Money Out Of Corporations.”
(Scott Helman, “Romney Exits With Pomp, Ambition,” The Boston Globe, 1/4/07) 5

Utilizing The Language Of The Progressive Left, Revenue Commissioner Alan LeBovidge Said He Wanted Companies To Pay “Their Fair Share” And Establish “Equity.” “LeBovidge defended the changes as a way to crack down on companies that ‘push the envelope.’ … ‘I view it as people paying their fair share,’ LeBovidge said. ‘It’s all about equity.’” (Scott S. Greenberger, “Governor’s Fiscal Plan Targets Tax ‘Loopholes,’” The Boston Globe, 3/4/04)

27 posted on 04/17/2012 7:24:55 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: STARWISE

I am already so sick of hearing “romney” that I want to puke. The man is no conservative, and no rockefeller republican has ever been, but romney is a crony socialist.

Vote Newt until it the fat lady sings.

Then vote other than Romney


28 posted on 04/17/2012 7:27:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Artcore
Perception, like the color of the Ocean or the color of the Sky.

I never heard Rush push Romney either, but if you only read about it here, you would swear Rush told Romney to put his Dog on the roof of the Station Wagon back in 1983.

29 posted on 04/17/2012 7:30:00 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: reasonisfaith

When did Rush back Romney? He has never backed Romney, or any of the other candidates. In fact, he didn’t even let us know who he voted for in the Florida primary. He has remained steadfastly neutral while he tells us what’s going on.


30 posted on 04/17/2012 7:36:07 PM PDT by Purrcival (Herman Cain 2012 (*sigh*))
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To: Kickass Conservative
LOL...yep! Dianne Sawyer is an abject twit!

Actually, I think most of the frustration folks have with Rush is that he doesn't endorse our desired candidates. I think this translates into “Rush is supporting Romney...or Cain...or Bachmann” etc.

31 posted on 04/17/2012 7:36:18 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: STARWISE

Romney just like Obama is playing the race card, the gender card and the class envy card. We are in serious trouble.


32 posted on 04/17/2012 7:36:18 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: vmivol00

I listen to both Rush and Hannity regularly, and they have gone out of their way to be neutral. Both have refused to endorse anyone. I don’t know where you get the idea that they’re pimping socialist pos’s, because they are NOT!!


33 posted on 04/17/2012 7:38:34 PM PDT by Purrcival (Herman Cain 2012 (*sigh*))
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To: vmivol00
“I wish Rush would expose Romney for the socialist turd that he is. There is still time for Newt.”
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I would absolutely love to watch Newt fillet the Jug-Eared Marxist in a debate. I think Newt would toy with him like a cat does a trapped mouse. The Kenyan would wet himself against Newt's superior intellect and NO TelePrompTer.

34 posted on 04/17/2012 7:45:10 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: arderkrag

#2 is incorrect and not logical. Not voting or abstaining is voting, unless you can get someone from the other side to mirror your action.


35 posted on 04/17/2012 7:54:44 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; b9; caww; Marguerite; Cincinatus' Wife; true believer forever

Jim, do we stand a chance? during the 2010 interim elections the tea parties, grassroots voters rallied and came out enmasse. The establishment was shaken but they were armed with money and organization this go around and I mean mega millions from super pacs and constant support from Fox News and Drudge. It is one hell of a battle.
We know what is taking place in front of our eyes.. but do we know what the establishment is doing behind closed doors with their wheeling and dealing?
How unusual that Santorum, Newt and Perry couldnt even make the Virginia ballot and many other state primarys and caucus were moved up and messed up. I don’t recall this happening in previous presidential elections...and Yes, I know the fix was in as far as Fla went.
I am very disheartened. What will be the reaction after Romney declares he is the gop nominee this friday? we are screwed


36 posted on 04/17/2012 7:58:50 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: STARWISE

One thing I am sitting here pondering is: If Tea Party people fall in line with the establishment Republican Party, then what is/was the point of the Tea Party in the first place?

Strange times indeed. I’m genuinely fed up. I just watched Kristi Noem on Greta’s show, and she seemed totally ok with a Romney nomination (no endorsement, but it was clear that she wouldn’t have a problem if he’s the nominee). I guess some of the Tea Party freshmen got cozy in their new digs in DC and forgot how they got there, and so did other “Tea Party” supporters who now seem no different than the same old, same old.


37 posted on 04/17/2012 8:05:24 PM PDT by KJC1 (Go Newt!)
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To: 1010RD

No, it is not, first off. If someone doesn’t vote, it does not magically equate to voting, whether someone mirrors that action or not. Second, there are more than two sides.


38 posted on 04/17/2012 8:06:38 PM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Graybeard58
voting for Romney is the same as voting for Obama.

Voting for Romney is a guarantee to get Obama. That's the way it's been designed and the push to keep plans in place. Why else would the media be so soft on him, but hard on Newt. One would have to be basement dumb not to realize that.

39 posted on 04/17/2012 8:11:50 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: KJC1
Strange times indeed. I’m genuinely fed up.

KJ..you are certainly not alone in that. It's like the GOP AND the DEMO's are simply putting on a show for the voters rather than a true election......used the candidates up til Romeny, Newt and SAntorum left...but I still believe Santorum was elevated by the press/gop/romney in order to make certain Newt would stay down.

No doubt this will be my last involvement in any election. From here on in I take the spectators seat, since all it is is show and tell.

40 posted on 04/17/2012 8:16:10 PM PDT by caww
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To: presently no screen name
No Romney, ever and I’m sick of hearing that not voting for Romney is the same as voting for Obama.

Was my statement.............. by quoting only this part of my statement:

voting for Romney is the same as voting for Obama.

You make it appear something that it wasn't at all. Was it intentional?

41 posted on 04/17/2012 8:19:49 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: STARWISE

Romney was on Kudlow. Romney basically said he was open for taxing the rich more as long as overall taxes go down. So he is moving back to the left as predicted.

It is obvious what he will do. He will give the dems higher taxes on the rich (since he is rich) in exchange for some sort of tax reform. Who knows what that would look like. The fix is in.


42 posted on 04/17/2012 8:22:19 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Purrcival

Ditto that. Attacks on Rush are from people who don’t “listen”. He has been steadfastly neutral and I have heard him both praise and excoriate all candidates based on what came out of their mouths this election cycle.
He has hammered Romney more then anybody because Romney is...Romney. His leftist brain constantly gets in the way of his pandering to the right.

Rush has said though that if Romney is the nominee he is a “anyone but Barry guy” and will vote to defeat him. Which means he will vote Romney. Me thinks he was praying hard that Newt would win.

I just sent Newt more money.


43 posted on 04/17/2012 9:04:37 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Purrcival

“I listen to both Rush and Hannity regularly, and they have gone out of their way to be neutral. Both have refused to endorse anyone. I don’t know where you get the idea that they’re pimping socialist pos’s, because they are NOT!!”

Fair enough. My frustration is that they refuse to examine Romney’s record. They refuse to call him out on his liberal socialist views.

Maybe pimping is too harsh, but they are definitely complicit in the whitewashing and glossing of his record. That reeks of hypocrisy and it really bothers me due to the fact that I have been a Rush fan for so long. I would prefer him and Hannity to take principled stands...much like Jim Robinson has....and call these guys out when they stray. We’re just getting a bunch of cheerleading in my mind.


44 posted on 04/17/2012 9:10:32 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: sportutegrl

Ridiculous. It’s more meddling in a stupid code. It also plays the left wing game of pitting class against class.

If a tax deduction for home mortgage interest is a good idea then it’s a good idea. Deciding who qualifies based on income proves the idea is stupid. It violates equality.


45 posted on 04/17/2012 9:17:57 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: vmivol00

Rush does his share. Maybe he just isn’t as overt as you’d like. I’ve heard him talk about Romney negatively based on some speech or proposal, etc.

Hannity just concentrates on Obama. Not that I don’t mind.


46 posted on 04/17/2012 9:22:28 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: arderkrag
2. A nonvote is simply not a vote. It does not "equal" another vote for Obama. Only voting FOR Obama does that.

You logic is very flawed. Let's say 100 people vote for Bozo and 100 vote for the Republican. That makes it even, however if one of the Republican voters decides at the last minute not to vote then the vote stands at 100 For B and 99 for the Republican, that gives Bozo a one vote lead. Therefore not voting does equal voting for the opposition.

It seems rather childish to have to explain this to someone who should be fairly intelligent and at least educated to the point where such simple math would be obvious. To sum up, every Republican voter who stays home and throws a hissy fit is giving a vote to Bozo, simple as that.

47 posted on 04/18/2012 12:05:12 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
You logic is very flawed. Let's say 100 people vote for Bozo and 100 vote for the Republican. That makes it even, however if one of the Republican voters decides at the last minute not to vote then the vote stands at 100 For B and 99 for the Republican, that gives Bozo a one vote lead. Therefore not voting does equal voting for the opposition.

No, it doesn't. It simply equals not voting. Conflating it into more than that is overcomplicating the matter.
48 posted on 04/18/2012 1:14:06 AM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: sportutegrl
If Romney’s plan is revenue neutral, that is, he lowers taxes as much as the increased revenue ...

The President does neither or any other "solution". He can propose whatever he wishes but he cannot do anything to change or enforce such changes without the Congress. Just as Obama about his "budget" which failed to even get a single "yes" vote in his Dem Senate. The Presidential race outcome will affect down ballot choices. We must elect a Republican majority in the Senate and keep the House for any positive changes to happen. That is our goal!

49 posted on 04/18/2012 2:43:38 AM PDT by TexasRedeye
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To: STARWISE
My generation of our family, having been here since 1635, has several new branches married to Latinos/Latinas. Some living outside of the country. Our children are the next generation of Latinos/Hispanics. They have been brought up being taught the pure evil of socialism that caused their mother or grandparents to flee their former homeland.

When you have a candidate catering to a specific Latino interest, we see it as a socialist "divide and conquer" tactic. This new generation - there is no defined line where Latino ends and American patriot begins.

They are the same.

50 posted on 04/18/2012 5:43:06 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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