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To: freedumb2003
Outside of the movie Top Gun (20+ years ago?) has there been a real hot guns dogfight officially recorded between ANY milcraft? Even the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan were BVR (from what I understand).

The "Air Combat Information Group" maintains a list of every air-to-air incident that US forces have been involved in in a number of conflicts. In Vietnam there were a fair number of gun shootdowns, although most were missiles.

Desert Storm had three gun shootdowns, with the rest being missiles.

18 posted on 04/18/2012 7:27:18 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: PapaBear3625

1) What a COOL site!!! Thanks!
2) As you note, head to head has not happened for a LONG time.
3) I would love to meet “R. Greater” in person

Wow — just wow. The last guns battle in the list was an F-111 Raven — as I said in this (or maybe another) thread, always give pilots their guns. The Raven was a freaking surveillance craft and still pegged a bandit! (if I am reading the chart correctly) :)


20 posted on 04/18/2012 7:43:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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